Mini 2106 - Mitama's Fate Weave Circle (Mod/Spoilers Thread)

[Nancy Drew 39]

And Fakran push is even mega stupider, if that is even possible. I blame Bitmap for clearing Alch, because no one is even considering him. Yep, we’re like 99.999999% losing this game. :/

We should make it up to RC with a paragon nom.

[Nancy Drew 39]

[redacted]

[Nancy Drew 39]

Alchemist was charmed by kerset, cannot bypass bitmap protection alone

Dafuq what?

[Salamence20]

Like did mafiascums version of Strongman change to where it can be roleblocked/affected?

[Salamence20]

I think they think that charm means they can't use the magia meaning alch couldn't strongman, so alch just performed a regular kill. However the conditional is that the magia gets priority before status effects, which town wouldnt know, so I guess alch couldn't kill RC.

but then it goes back to HOW IS RC DEAD AND BITMAP ALIVE?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think they think that charm means they can't use the magia meaning alch couldn't strongman, so alch just performed a regular kill. However the conditional is that the magia gets priority before status effects, which town wouldnt know, so I guess alch couldn't kill RC.

but then it goes back to HOW IS RC DEAD AND BITMAP ALIVE?

This is kind of like the janitor mechanic in MG, so we’re losing yet again to some unknown mechanic. :/. All we’re really missing is Kats claiming Alch as his mason buddy, pretty much.

[popsofctown]

It seems like the obvious setup spec from their point of view is, Alchemist has a ability memoria similar to Pops', where pops' said "when you do an action, interfery stuff on your face doesn't interfere, but block effects on the target still block", and Alchemist's says "when you do an action, interfery stuff on your face will interfere, but block effects on the target can never block". One could think that pair of items is too on-the-nose but I feel like it should be believable. For that reason Alchemist shouldn't be mech cleared anyway, although you could argue it's a soft clear depending on how likely you think it is for that ability memoria to exist.

I think it's very questionable design for Peony Bouquet to nullify Charm effects, and for Charm effects to have the express purpose of nullifying Peony Bouquets. I don't think there's any issue where the mods hadn't decided how this interaction would work pre-game, Peony Bouquet pretty clearly contemplates this kind of interaction, the problem is that the Charm status doesn't, and whenever you add a new form of roleblock to the game, the default assumption is that none of the targets for that type of roleblock have a passive immunity to it. That assumption gets suspended when it's not longer new and when it's been shown that some things are immune sometimes. The very first person to include a Godfather was a bastard, the fourth person to include a Godfather wasn't. It's pretty difficult for town to anticipate a Megia saying "bee tee dubs, this megia ignores stuff that says you can't megia". If someone added mafia role that says "No PT" when it gets PT copped, no one does that, so if it wasn't in the PT cop's role PM it'd be bastard. "moderator lies that can be reasonably anticipated" is a tricky guideline to navigate but I think Torque and TK stumbled over the line here, it's a bit of a lie for Kerset's role PM to tell Ker "The player with this Status Aliment is prevented from using their Night Action, Memoria Skill and Magia/Doppel." It's easy to anticipate that it's a lie when Bitmap's role PM says "Activate to target a player. If target has one or more kill attempts on them, you will bodyguard ALL kill attempts and you have a 50% chance to survive EACH of them.", site meta makes it clear that effects that bypass protection might exist, and they do. But there's no "site meta" for Magia so this is kind of iffy territory.

It's -kind of- a dumb thing to argue about since the same outcome can be reached without using a difficult-to-anticipate-lie, I feel like the Ability Memoria Scenario could have status immunity written in it and that would make it an easy-to-anticipate lie (this is subjective). But possibly Farkran and the other townies are good at modwifom in certain ways I am not and have correctly guessed the number of skill memorias on the scumteam to be 1 and ruled that out or ruled it as unlikely, so there's still an impact.

In conclusion open setups are teh best.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Eh, it depends. If the mod doesn’t throw in a role or ability that no one was expecting. We won in SC 3, despite Krazy making Cerb, confirmed guilty child. If there ever was a great scum role, that would have to be it.

[popsofctown]

At least two townies had a dramatic negative emotional reaction, so I'm not sure thinking it looked cute from inside the N1 dead thread proves that role was good design.

[Nancy Drew 39]

At least two townies had a dramatic negative emotional reaction, so I'm not sure thinking it looked cute from inside the N1 dead thread proves that role was good design.

Yeah, that’s true, I think one player even quit over it. I’m just saying from a scum pov, it was a good role, not that it’s a good role in general. Like Boon had a scum governor in LNT, which probably cost us the game because it fucked BEF over.

[Torque]

I don’t fully understand everything about the statuses myself, and i didnt design anything with ailments
But i feel like, the ability to bypass statuses is on a strongman, and anticipating a strongman to go through any sort of role blocks is reasonable enough

We probably should have made the status ailment effects public though

[RadiantCowbells]

[redacted]

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t fully understand everything about the statuses myself, and i didnt design anything with ailments
But i feel like, the ability to bypass statuses is on a strongman, and anticipating a strongman to go through any sort of role blocks is reasonable enough

We probably should have made the status ailment effects public though

Yeah, because maybe then, all of town wouldn’t be clearing Alch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

[redacted]

El?

And because nobody listened to us on Gamma, Fakran will be mislynched next.

[Torque]

I don’t fully understand everything about the statuses myself, and i didnt design anything with ailments
But i feel like, the ability to bypass statuses is on a strongman, and anticipating a strongman to go through any sort of role blocks is reasonable enough

We probably should have made the status ailment effects public though

Yeah, because maybe then, all of town wouldn’t be clearing Alch.

I dunno if thats sarcasm :p
Salamence outing himself over a stun that he didnt know existed shouldnt have happened i think

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t fully understand everything about the statuses myself, and i didnt design anything with ailments
But i feel like, the ability to bypass statuses is on a strongman, and anticipating a strongman to go through any sort of role blocks is reasonable enough

We probably should have made the status ailment effects public though

Yeah, because maybe then, all of town wouldn’t be clearing Alch.

I dunno if thats sarcasm :p
Salamence outing himself over a stun that he didnt know existed shouldnt have happened i think

No, no sarcasm. Town is under the false impression that Alch is lockclear and that should never be the case, because it isn’t based on his play but on mechanics, so scum is guaranteed to win over a false clear.

But yeah, that too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So, false mechanical lockclears > scummy play/expert reads, in essence. RC may have perfect reads but no one ever places anything above what appears to be a lockclear.

[RadiantCowbells]

[redacted]

[Nancy Drew 39]

[redacted]

I is confuzzled.

[Torque]

Sorry nancy recognizing sarcasm on the nets is hard

Im hopeful for town, idk who but i remember someone said they’d lynch alchemist at some point anyway because of possible mechanics they’re not expecting

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sorry nancy recognizing sarcasm on the nets is hard

Im hopeful for town, idk who but i remember someone said they’d lynch alchemist at some point anyway because of possible mechanics they’re not expecting

Can they win? They’re going to mislynch Gamma than maybe either Fakran or Bit? As long as they think Alch is somehow clear, I dunno.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Np @Torque.

[popsofctown]

Who is El?

[RadiantCowbells]

[redacted]

[RadiantCowbells]

[redacted]