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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:31 pm
by Datisi
Official Vote Count 1.03
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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching
Amrun
(3): GuiltyLion, Jake The Wolfie, Iconeum
Hectic
(2): GeorgeBailey, ObviousScum
Jake the Wolfie
(2): Hectic, emps
ObviousScum
(1): Amrun
GuiltyLion
(1): Non lmh

Not Voting
(0):

Deadline:
(expired on 2020-01-28 01:30:00).

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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:46 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 32, Hectic wrote:Did you make that decision before or after receiving your role PM?
before
In post 32, Hectic wrote:What troubles me is him asking for our opinion on claiming targets in advance, rather than giving his own. Given you read HALF a game through, I'd have thought you'd have some opinions of your own, right? I do love your fur though, so I hope we can still be acquainted.
I have some thoughts but I didn't want to just lead with it, wanted to see if people had their own to share. My gut tells me it'd be significantly useful to know who targeted who ahead of time so we know what the dead did - it restricts scums fakeclaiming space - and there's not as much way scum could manipulate it tonight since they don't have any information about which doctor is which either. however, I can see how later game it may let scum deduce which doctor is which before the town can. so I'm kinda torn, my vote is maybe on advance claiming but I still want to survey the past games to see how that either worked out or backfired

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:54 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 86, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 85, emps wrote:
In post 84, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 83, emps wrote:
In post 82, ObviousScum wrote:
In post 79, emps wrote:i think both were pretty obviously jokes
idk that your jake vote was obviously a joke, I'm not sure it was 'serious' but it seemed like a normal push?
i was talking about both hectic votes because i kind of voted hectic twice?

my jake votes kinda serious tho
But why was it serious?
because your jokes felt forced/overly formal?
Is that good evidence for me being scum, or "look at the trees" evidence?
I don't like this question, asking whether there's "good evidence" is trying to lawyer against a scumread on him instead of sorting emps in return or helping emps resolve concerns about his play.

VOTE: Jake

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:57 pm
by Iconeum
VOTE: non imp

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:58 pm
by Iconeum
@GL, that's not how I read that return question from Jake tho. I kinda liked it?

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:00 pm
by Iconeum
omg emps are you finally town? it looks like you are back to freely spewing/spamming without worries my dude!

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:07 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 104, Iconeum wrote:@GL, that's not how I read that return question from Jake tho. I kinda liked it?
I'm prob didn't explain it well cause I'm kinda tired but I def don't like it, there's never going to be "good" evidence for someone being scum in early D1 and people just vote what feels kinda scummy. Jake trying to argue with it in the way that he did doesn't feel like it's meant to do anything useful, rather it's just kinda defensive and the mindset of "don't push without good evidence" discourages further content being generated.

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:24 pm
by Iconeum
Oh I see.

I read that like he was trying to see how serious it was, which is an ok way to do it.

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:28 pm
by ObviousScum
In post 106, GuiltyLion wrote:here's never going to be "good" evidence for someone being scum in early D1 and people just vote what feels kinda scummy
this is kinda what pinged me about hectic making three different posts over 10 minutes leading up to his vote on me tbh

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:42 pm
by Jake The Wolfie
In post 102, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 86, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 85, emps wrote:
In post 84, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 83, emps wrote:
In post 82, ObviousScum wrote:
In post 79, emps wrote:i think both were pretty obviously jokes
idk that your jake vote was obviously a joke, I'm not sure it was 'serious' but it seemed like a normal push?
i was talking about both hectic votes because i kind of voted hectic twice?

my jake votes kinda serious tho
But why was it serious?
because your jokes felt forced/overly formal?
Is that good evidence for me being scum, or "look at the trees" evidence?
I don't like this question, asking whether there's "good evidence" is trying to lawyer against a scumread on him instead of sorting emps in return or helping emps resolve concerns about his play.

VOTE: Jake
If there is no good evidence, then why would you push for me being scum? All you're accusing me of is making a joke and questioning your reasons, and you respond with "You must be scum because how else could you explain this"

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:46 pm
by Iconeum
Not really game relevant but is anyone interested in spamming the shit out of this game, but leave the pagetops for our beloved mod and see just how many medical memes she made?

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:48 am
by Amrun
In post 110, Iconeum wrote:Not really game relevant but is anyone interested in spamming the shit out of this game, but leave the pagetops for our beloved mod and see just how many medical memes she made?
Plz no

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:03 am
by Iconeum
In post 111, Amrun wrote:
In post 110, Iconeum wrote:Not really game relevant but is anyone interested in spamming the shit out of this game, but leave the pagetops for our beloved mod and see just how many medical memes she made?
Plz no
I'm thinking in the lines of +- 50 posts/player/irl day

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:04 am
by GeorgeBailey
In post 88, emps wrote:is that the right image?
It's the right one....but could have been done better

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:14 am
by GeorgeBailey
VOTE: JakeThewolfie

I'm not liking your reaction to the wagon right now.

I hope my voting isn't too...
HECTIC


Spoiler:
ok ok i'll stop now

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:37 am
by GuiltyLion
In post 109, Jake The Wolfie wrote:If there is no good evidence, then why would you push for me being scum?
what do you suggest we do instead to try to sort people, especially in the early game?

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:04 am
by Jake The Wolfie
In post 115, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 109, Jake The Wolfie wrote:If there is no good evidence, then why would you push for me being scum?
what do you suggest we do instead to try to sort people, especially in the early game?
Talk about who our potential targets for protection are.

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:05 am
by Jake The Wolfie
And just to point out, I am now at L-1, so back the fuck up, thanks.

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:17 am
by GeorgeBailey
VOTE: JackTheWolf

Ok wait I didn't notice that

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:17 am
by GeorgeBailey
UNVOTE: JackTheWolf

How did I eve

wat

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:56 am
by Hectic
In post 114, GeorgeBailey wrote:VOTE: JakeThewolfie

I'm not liking your reaction to the wagon right now.

I hope my voting isn't too...
HECTIC


Spoiler:
ok ok i'll stop now
Do it again. I dare you.

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:58 am
by Hectic
What's wrong with him being on L-1, George? If anyone hammers him knowing that this early, it's basically a scumclaim.

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:05 am
by Hectic
In post 116, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 115, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 109, Jake The Wolfie wrote:If there is no good evidence, then why would you push for me being scum?
what do you suggest we do instead to try to sort people, especially in the early game?
Talk about who our potential targets for protection are.
You're playing significantly differently so far to this newbie game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 7&start=50
You're joking around early there too, but it was while pushing/sorting people, and asking people to elaborate on reads often. You had some nice thoughts in this post.

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:06 am
by Hectic
Do you have thoughts on Amrun's early read on Obum, or his read on me for example?

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:08 am
by GeorgeBailey
There's a fair chance that it's not, then I get blamed for putting him at L-1.

I also think he made a fair point in .

Would it be good or bad if we claimed. according to the setup?