Micro 918: Doggos Among Us [TOWN WIN]!

[Hectic]

Also, Norwee, link me the player he reminds you of from the Newbie game you're referencing.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11514149

Ah... that game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Every game i join becomes "that game".

[theslimer3]

Me before starting the game: I’m going to have the heading of every page have a vote count and all of them will have a story pertaining to the lore of this game mode!


Also me:

Votecount 1.2

dsjstr

- (0)

Hectic

- Doctor Drew (L-3)

Doctor Drew

- (0)

NorwieganboyEE

- Espeonage (L-3)

AaronFrost

- Hectic (L-3)

Espeonage

- (0)

Clidd

- NorwieganboyEE (L-3)

Not Voting: dsjstr, AaronFrost, Clidd - (3)

With 7 Players alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is (expired on 2020-02-08 13:00:00)

[AaronFrost]

Not sure what you mean by scum would hammer for the sacrifice play. Do you mean scum would hammer town? I don't think they ever do that. They might hammer other scum for towncred though.

I think they might in order to get past the day one rule, especially if they're the traitor goon. Then the two remaining scum just know who each other are and the game is still in lylo anyways so all they'd need is one mislynch.

[Hectic]

Me before starting the game: I’m going to have the heading of every page have a vote count and all of them will have a story pertaining to the lore of this game mode!

RIP. Btw, Norwee and I should be switched around in who we're voting for.

*Fixed

[Hectic]

I think they might in order to get past the day one rule, especially if they're the traitor goon. Then the two remaining scum just know who each other are and the game is still in lylo anyways so all they'd need is one mislynch.

Yeah, I realised that soon after. I didn't realise town hammering scum is a lot worse for them.

[AaronFrost]

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AaronFrost

In your opinion, hypothetically speaking, how should a traitor signal if he knew his partner, but did not know who the werewolf is ?

You have it backwards, the traitor knows who the wolf is, and the wolf knows who the traitors are, but the traitors don't know who each other are.

Not too sure how someone would pull that off. One example of a traitor crumb that went completely over me and my partners' heads one time was this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think they might in order to get past the day one rule, especially if they're the traitor goon. Then the two remaining scum just know who each other are and the game is still in lylo anyways so all they'd need is one mislynch.

Yeah, I realised that soon after. I didn't realise town hammering scum is a lot worse for them.

I'm thinking that a general misunderstanding of the best play by scum is more indicative of a town player. So maybe Hectic can get some towncredcrumbs thrown into his cage.

[Hectic]

<3

[NorwegianboyEE]

My skin is experiencing formication just from Clidd's recent posts alone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hectic am i alone in feeling real bad vibes from that dude?

[Hectic]

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AaronFrost

In your opinion, hypothetically speaking, how should a traitor signal if he knew his partner, but did not know who the werewolf is ?

What do you make of this, Norwee? Possible townslip?

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: AaronFrost



You don't scare me.
Which of Norwee/Clidd would you have hammer the other, or do you think it's TvT?

Right now I'd say clidd is 'slightly' more townie than Norwee but I don't have a confident enough read in either player to answer that question.

[NorwegianboyEE]

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AaronFrost

In your opinion, hypothetically speaking, how should a traitor signal if he knew his partner, but did not know who the werewolf is ?

What do you make of this, Norwee? Possible townslip?

Why do you think it might be a townslip?

[Hectic]

Right now I'd say clidd is 'slightly' more townie than Norwee but I don't have a confident enough read in either player to answer that question.

S-sorry to bother you. Any opinion on Norwee's case on him?

[Hectic]

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AaronFrost

In your opinion, hypothetically speaking, how should a traitor signal if he knew his partner, but did not know who the werewolf is ?

What do you make of this, Norwee? Possible townslip?

Why do you think it might be a townslip?

He thought there's a scenario where the traitor knows the other traitor but not the werewolf, which obviously can't be the case. Do you think it's real/fake?

@clidd: What did you mean here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

He doesn't strike me as the type of person to not read the setup fully and misunderstand the setup. Honestly i'd find that just as likely to be a intentional misunderstanding on his part.
Especially considering he wrote this earlier:

Good evening, i was reading the setup specifications and thinking about how my approach would be in this match,

[clidd]

Also in what way did my post "signal to other traitor"? I have no idea where that read came from. Makes no sense to me.

It would depend if your partner managed to interpret the exclamation as a divergence of attention, precisely to attract votes and prevent them from having to enter the situation of the "mechanical hammer of death ''. So you intentionally attract votes to allow your allies to escape this condition (which was proven to be wrong later).

That's a stretch. Silly reasoning at it's finest.
You seem to be very convinced of me being scum already, as evidenced by the language you are using. Even though you brought up something i said more than 3 months ago as a quote to "discuss", you still are evidently leaning on my alignment as being one side over the other as can be gathered from excerpts of your previous posts. (Shown further below)
Your playstyle thus far has materialized itself drastically from what was shown earlier with your introduction and has now become solely the gathering of information on another slot and then using it as your basis for the town to get on your side and see me as a evident scum player to lynch. Instead of considering other sides of the issue, such as considering Hectic's play or any of the other players, you have quite clearly locked me out as a scummy player by page 4 and have since been trying to convince other players of my play being an issue. I'm wondering if during the time between these two spots of acting, you were reading the general vibe of the town as in favor of lynching me and therefore changed your read from an unsure and questioning tone in post 38 (considering multiple alternatives, open to discussion)

With that thought in mind, i understood the first post 4 as a message with three possible interpretations: 1- Random joke, 2- Instinctive statement, 3- Divergence of attention, where his partners receive a window to ''safe'' vote, drastically reducing the possibility of them falling under the ''mechanical death hammer'', which appears to be more likely, compared to other possibilities. This basically implies that are 2/3 potential scums in Dsjstr, Hectic and Espeonage, in theory. But would everyone outside the wagon share the same indecision ? Is it plausible ?

to becoming slightly more hostile by post 76. (Claiming it is very unlikely for me to not be scum. Belittling of target by emotive language. Suggesting what town!me: "would, or wouldn't do" and using it to draw a conclusion.)

The most viable option, if you aren't scum (unlikely, but possible), would be to interact with the other players, looking for more than one point of view. Something im looking to do now.

Also of interest is post 88

It would depend if your partner managed to interpret the exclamation as a divergence of attention, precisely to attract votes and prevent them from having to enter the situation of the "mechanical hammer of death ''. So you intentionally attract votes to allow your allies to escape this condition (which was proven to be wrong later).

^Usage of words such as "Your partner" (Implicates intrinsic scum partnership, no room for negotiation.) "Allow your allies to escape this condition" (Same conclusion drawn out from very little actual development of read progression)

If you are viewing a frame attempt, it will not pay for the effort invested.

^Hostile tone. Combative. Shutting down of argument.

Your general tone reads to me as someone who is trying very hard to be townread and seem like a beneficial player that wouldn't be considered for the lynch. This preoccupation indicates a scum mindset rather than a town one.
VOTE: Clidd

You believe that my development throughout the game was meticulously dressed to facilitate a consensus on your lynch, and you consider my suspicion of you as fruitless, aggravated by small (emotional) chemical indicators that suggest that you quickly grabbed a line theoretically biased reasoning to the practical sphere, in order to try to transmit a read that justified my actions until then. Your text also seems to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts, what i judge as a misinterpretation of my true posture (as town), or an arduous attemp to accuse me (as scum). Firstly, as i pointed out in post 59, it is extremely difficult to classify a joke by text, especially without the aid of sound or visual to support the comic content. This, in itself, already gives a suspicious attitude, considering that the situation we were in involved the mental game between scum and town when it came to the hammer. When you openly state that you wanted to hammer, there would be extinction, considering that your role was town, from the condition assigned by the mod, where the scum is penalized for hammering someone. Obviously, as we found out later, due to the observation i indicated in post 51, the general situation about scum being killed mechanically, regardless of the role of the target, was false and did not represent the proper interpretation that the mod expected us to have. By then, i was almost convinced that you were, in fact, scum. However, I chose to seek more opinions, in order to increase the accuracy of my own read about the possible motivations existing in the creation of your wagon and, of course, your initial post.
The fact that i did not deliberately pull your wagon, as i could have done, and engaged in conversation with the other players, instead of choosing the simplest route that would be to accuse you more intensely, as i could also have done, emphasize that i was and continue to be open to more suggestions. This, of course, does not mean that i should make it easier for you, much less that i should decrease the minimum pressure exerted. Incidentally, the bluff I mentioned in post 80 is something i could have done too, considering that the mod only corrected after my quote on the topic. I have not yet understood the reason for your effort, considering that the lack of evidence directly points out that we need to interact collectively, not to enter the scope of the dispute between two players.

You remind me of my last game

Newbie 1980 | Game Over

(https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81841), post 854, where I hastily but enthusiastically try to read a player. It was a capital mistake, but also a good experience. Interestingly, i empathize with this, and I feel that my concept of you has increased a little. I don't think you would go as far as scum, let alone consider that kind of view.

[clidd]

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AaronFrost

In your opinion, hypothetically speaking, how should a traitor signal if he knew his partner, but did not know who the werewolf is ?

What do you make of this, Norwee? Possible townslip?

Why do you think it might be a townslip?

He thought there's a scenario where the traitor knows the other traitor but not the werewolf, which obviously can't be the case. Do you think it's real/fake?

@clidd: What did you mean here?

Subjective question, i wanted to see what his opinion would be.

[clidd]

Hectic am i alone in feeling real bad vibes from that dude?

I advise you to take a look at my messages menalque's lines. I had the same feeling about him.

[clidd]

I still want to see Doctor Drew posting or replaced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can i just take a moment to comment on your excellent writing skills Clidd? My only complaint would be for you to separate your wall in post 117 into smaller segments of text that are more manageable to read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i'll mull your points over at a later time. I'm going to sleep now.

[clidd]

Okay, i hope we can interact in a positive way. The last thing I want is for the attention to be on just the two of us, with no room for dialogue with others.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You know, the thought of you being scum is very scary. Because you seem highly competent. And i think you’d have a pretty good poker face as a scum player. So while i do like your replies, i’m not quite willing to renounce my read until i’ve seen more of your interactions. But i do agree on your assessment that the spotlight shouldn’t stay just on us. So i’ll unvote for now and give you the benefit of the doubt until i’ve seen more.
UNVOTE:

(Said i was going to sleep, but posting on mobile in bed)