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[Menalque]

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[clidd]

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--> two mechanically proven towns.

Is Menalque a proven town just because he said he was or is there more to that assumption?

I don't see a scenario which

Scum!Menalque

would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a

CC

on the first day.

Do you ?

Spoiler:

[Menalque]

Hey, @72 do you have any experience of playing scum?

[Doobietime]

Information

--> two mechanically proven towns.

Is Menalque a proven town just because he said he was or is there more to that assumption?

I don't see a scenario which

Scum!Menalque

would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a

CC

on the first day.

Do you ?

Spoiler:

Fair point, which I hadn't considered

It wouldn't be

impossible

to pull off a false PR claim though. And first impressions make me think Menalque would be the type to try :b

[Menalque]

What are your reads on the other players doobie?

[Menalque]

Have you read any guidance on scumhunting or anything?

[Menalque]

I think I may be close to a PoE solve but we’ll see if I get more confident in that or less as game goes on

Also I need walrus to post first

[Doobietime]

There's not that much (that's concrete) to be taken from what's been written so far, imo. Maybe it was all towns which were having a battle of wills earlier, everybody came across well meaning so I was looking for logical flaws instead.

I explained my current vote in 56. I'll be interested to hear what they have to say upon return.

The only other possibly meaningful interaction I've taken away is Lotus somewhat calling out Ata, because of the post which Iconeum took issue with. As stated at the time, Ata and Lotus more or less did the same thing

[Doobietime]

Have you read any guidance on scumhunting or anything?

I was up until around 4am reading forums last night. It's already just past midnight and I'm still puzzling over what's been said so far, have to keep reminding myself it's quite literally the first day.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

their RVS comment about me feels awkward considering they voted elsewhere, and it's not clear from 55 whether they're read the thread or not. I think townies are slightly more likely to say whether they have or haven't read anything.

I hadn't read it and was going to between tonight/early morning. Hence my last post which if nothing else is NAI due to it being more of a "hey my activity sucks but this is why"

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just reading some quick thoughts. I really don't like how ico just jumped on the wagon with no real reason in 49. It looks like almost to easily an opportunity to just drop a vote down. And just looks scummy to me. Granted lotus just seems a bit lost with not advancing but I don't know their knowledge thus far of the game. And how much mafia they've played.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

At least 52 sounds a lot better.

Lion - I disagree as town I read the games and try to catch up when I can. I didn't post here because of [Redacted] was nearing deadline and needed to catch up with that after a bad night of drinking but was prod dodging as well. Yes bad reasoning but what can we do.

I will say I hate lotus with the oh I was pushed to L-2 and scum wouldn't jump on it this early which just has me ask. Do. You think your wagon is scum driven then? Tiger gets me on that one it's like your sweating a bit over there.

Also. Lotus I disagree as any vote can make pressure regardless of the day or time. Everyone acts differently depending on even the slightest votes.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't see a scenario which Scum!Menalque would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a CC on the first day.

Do you ?

I do but not for any reason you have claimed. Personally I have an FOS on them just for doing what they did. Personally what does town gain my someone fake claiming a pr? Scum it makes sense to throw people off the case. Maybe it's the old person in me talking when I say that but it just doesn't sit right with me at all.

[clidd]

Atarashi Hajimari

seems to be a good second option to evaluate as potential

TR

.

VOTE: clidd hello there

They saw my hardtunnel on two players in the last game, so they probably would not attract my attention early as

scum!Haji

, considering that the same chaotic pressure scenario that I established in the past game could, evidently, be repeated in this game. Such disadvantage would be better administered if avoided, at least in the initial stage. They also noticed that I reacted badly to votes on me in that game.

[clidd]

I don't see a scenario which Scum!Menalque would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a CC on the first day.

Do you ?

I do but not for any reason you have claimed. Personally I have an FOS on them just for doing what they did. Personally what does town gain my someone fake claiming a pr? Scum it makes sense to throw people off the case. Maybe it's the old person in me talking when I say that but it just doesn't sit right with me at all.

Hum, no. If you do, you probably never played with

Menalque

or watched one of his games.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't see a scenario which Scum!Menalque would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a CC on the first day.

Do you ?

I do but not for any reason you have claimed. Personally I have an FOS on them just for doing what they did. Personally what does town gain my someone fake claiming a pr? Scum it makes sense to throw people off the case. Maybe it's the old person in me talking when I say that but it just doesn't sit right with me at all.

Hum, no. If you do, you probably never played with

Menalque

or watched one of his games.

This is my only other time coming back in roughly a year plus. So no I don't know his games. Either way I don't care for it. I'm not one to go digging thru metas as well. Personally I think the claim comes off as arrogant.

[clidd]

This is my only other time coming back in roughly a year plus. So no I don't know his games. Either way I don't care for it. I'm not one to go digging thru metas as well. Personally I think the claim comes off as arrogant.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So instead of actually engaging and talking thru the line of thinking you post a gif. Thanks for that because we're making progress with this.

[clidd]

Can you tell me the real reason for you to think that ? I don't appreciate it when people lie in my face.

''

Personally I think the claim comes off as arrogant

''

it seems like an excuse.

[clidd]

So instead of actually engaging and talking thru the line of thinking you post a gif. Thanks for that because we're making progress with this.

I do not discuss lines of reasoning that seem remotely relevant to me.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

An excuse of what?
Maybe I come from a different time where town shouldn't ever claim a PR day one even or risk of a CC to out someone. Even a VT to CC it is a risky play. Call it an excuse, call it what you want. I dunno maybe I prefer scum not knowing what prs there are and who they are in games. So yes it call it arrogance. Maybe it's a bluff to call out and direct a shot at them. Right now it just rubs me the wrong way and granted it could come from a town mindset it still doesn't change my line of thought.

Pedit: So you don't discuss lines of reasoning? So should I ignore your posts from now on since you won't discuss lines of reasoning?

[clidd]

I can feel a degree of honesty in your lines, but I don't empathize with such view. It is beneficial for a VT to bluff being PR, as long as the player has significant notoriety and knows what he is doing. It is not logical for him to do this as scum precisely because of my presence in the game. He would not take a while to be lynched (not to mention that I have 3 possible associations in mind for this scenario).

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I can feel a degree of honesty in your lines, but I don't empathize with such view.

It is beneficial for a VT to bluff being PR, as long as the player has significant notoriety and knows what he is doing. It is not logical for him to do this as scum precisely because of my presence in the game.

He would not take a while to be lynched (not to mention that I have 3 possible associations in mind for this scenario).

This line bothers me. You act like I know who you are? Or anyone else in this game. This is the kind of stuff that I hate. It's almost like I should know who you are. Is how you are making this claim. This is the kind of stuff I hate. It feels like you are making a meta claim but hell I don't even know anymore.

[clidd]

I'm having a hard time classifying your reaction. I saw similar behavior in two other games, and both came from the red alignment, but that would contradict the lines of honesty I felt in your text.

Forget what I said about "my presence", it's just my normal tone.

The question is:

why do you show so much resistance to the simple conclusion that Menalque is a mason and is trying to solve the game ? I just need to understand this point correctly to start thinking about it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

why do you show so much resistance to the simple conclusion that Menalque is a mason and is trying to solve the game ?

This is what I didn't understand. Aside it all make sense now from your pov. Thanks for the clarification. Why did I show so much because honestly I'm an idiot sometimes and didn't read much into the setups. Yeah blame me this was a game to help me get back into the flow of games. I normally hang out in open setups on that note knowing what is happening.

Thanks for entertaining myself. On this one. Now that I understand the whole picture I'm a bit sorry for going off on that note. And solving the game on day one just seems like someone is lining up lynches which can go sideways pretty quickly is all.