Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:42 am
I'm also an SE, but I don't know if I can teach anyone anything. Kids these days always have previous mafia experience. If you need my official SE advice, ask away.
the InWho22 Scumread doesn't bother me. He finds it scummy, but I don't see anywhere where he pushes it into a bigger read. More importantly, It seems has more faith in his scumread on you than on InWho. That's what was off about you last game we played. Hiraki was your stronger read, yet you were voting Datisi while finding more reasons to scum read Hiraki. Here, he just mentions it in response to a question and hasn't explicit push them like you did that game on Datisi.In post 99, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Lucky does not look good under pressure. Does anyone feel like he's town?
I don't know if I'm tunnelling or not, but he says he's got no reason to change his votes — yet he scumreads InWho22 and doesn't vote him.
This is the kind of shit I tried to pull off as scum in my last game with Holden.
I do like the later half of this post for trying to get a firm stance from LL on inwhoIn post 84, Yooh wrote:So what do you think about post #36?In post 73, LuckyLuciano wrote:Not much, since most players didn't actually react to it.
I disagree here. Town can townread - scumread someone with many reasons, with or without agreement the other, regardless their alignment. So, do you scumream Who22 here? What is the reason? In your PoV, have you thought about Kirari as mafia and you have agreement with her?In post 75, LuckyLuciano wrote:Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?
Holden, that's not what he says.HoldenGolden wrote:the InWho22 Scumread doesn't bother me. He finds it scummy, but I don't see anywhere where he pushes it into a bigger read. More importantly, It seems has more faith in his scumread on you than on InWho.
In post 70, LuckyLuciano wrote:@Yooh, my only reason to suspect Monkey is his concern with me putting Holden at L-2 yet leaving his vote there. I don't think his vote on me later is AI. I think it's bad town play if he is town, which gave me an opportunity to end RVS and provide a platform for meaningful interactions.
In post 70, LuckyLuciano wrote:My push on him was more for reactions from others than from him.
Scum who made an early whammy by trying hard, and later got told by his partner to lie low?In post 66, LuckyLuciano wrote:I justified that my actions were in my town range. I'm fine being viewed as scummy, I'm used to it. I don't try to prove that I'm innocent, I just make sure people are aware it's possible. If I'm town, I'd rather be in the middle of people's readlists than locktown because mafia has to eventually push town, and if I'm not locktown then they can push me, and since I know I'm town I gain more insight from that than other players can. Savvy?
Ok I see your point with 66.In post 104, humaneatingmonkey wrote:If anything, it's more gut. But he drops it, stops pushing me, and proceeds to agree with Kirari on her scumread.
It doesn't follow that he's frustrated either. He claims he's used to being seen as scummy and he uses this to gain more insight. Here, he just wants to disappear from the discussion.
Scum who made an early whammy by trying hard, and later got told by his partner to lie low?In post 66, LuckyLuciano wrote:I justified that my actions were in my town range. I'm fine being viewed as scummy, I'm used to it. I don't try to prove that I'm innocent, I just make sure people are aware it's possible. If I'm town, I'd rather be in the middle of people's readlists than locktown because mafia has to eventually push town, and if I'm not locktown then they can push me, and since I know I'm town I gain more insight from that than other players can. Savvy?
You see why this bothers me, right?
Yeah, I guess day one is going to be insufferable if you don't want to explain your views.In post 75, LuckyLuciano wrote:Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?
Denying town the ability to interact with you for the rest of day one is just pretty counterproductive too.LuckyLuciano wrote:I don't understand why I'm not allowed to have gut pings day one and everything has to be a final read, but this day phase illustrates everything I hate about day one so I'm probably going to mostly peace out until day two.
Isn't thinking critically more difficult than superficially? Why should making the easy points get more Town cred than the harder ones?In post 93, LuckyLuciano wrote:I think that it is harder for scum to have valid points than town, therefore I think making valid points deserves small town cred. The inverse is not true. Players making invalid points aren't scummier in my eyes.
This is 100% false.In post 105, LuckyLuciano wrote:UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: InWho22
Half a prod dodge because it's clear that this day is being driven by tunneling and I don't want to be a part of it. Half because 3 players have been given a free pass to do nothing because this day is being driven by tunneling. Cya guys again in another 24 hours, or day two.
If playing scum means you're paying more attention to detail, why would you not realize your vote isn't being counted? Or am I misreading you?In post 93, LuckyLuciano wrote:I think that it is harder for scum to have valid points than town, therefore I think making valid points deserves small town cred. The inverse is not true. Players making invalid points aren't scummier in my eyes.
I think town is more likely to miss the fact that their RVS vote was never counted. Their vote was meaningless and without intention, it's not something they really care about. Playing as scum, I think by design, requires more deliberate play. I don't think mafia doesn't realize their vote isn't being counted.In post 91, Yooh wrote:Also, can you tell us the reason why you town read Holden?
I think you said that the easy points should get small Town cred. Or did you mean less Town cred?In post 109, LuckyLuciano wrote:You literally just agreed with me, and then concluded the opposite.
At no point have I actually disengaged with the game. I've simply ignored you and Monkey. Look back at how I answer questions worth answering even after "peacing out". I'm making the argument that scumhunting day one typically leads to incorrect reads being driving points during LYLO, because scum can only be caught day one via unforced errors. Look at how people are pushing me. I know I'm town. I also know that scum is unlikely to jump out the gate and try to push the game forward into a state where it can be productive,In post 110, HoldenGolden wrote:This is 100% false.In post 105, LuckyLuciano wrote:UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: InWho22
Half a prod dodge because it's clear that this day is being driven by tunneling and I don't want to be a part of it. Half because 3 players have been given a free pass to do nothing because this day is being driven by tunneling. Cya guys again in another 24 hours, or day two.
So you think 3 people were given passes, yet you are just going to go bugger off? Not push them, question them, nothing? Not only that, but the fact too that this day phase is 10 days long at the most?
Who do you think is given a free pass?
I do not like the feeling of beating people with wooden sticks for information. Reminds me too much of childhood
1) So the easier points deserve less Town cred.In post 115, LuckyLuciano wrote:@113 see 111.
@112 yet again, you are reiterating exactly what I said, as I said it, and then concluding that I said the opposite.
What do you mean by the bolded?In post 88, Yooh wrote:Oh it is just SE duties. My bad.HoldenGolden wrote:Are you sure you meant to quote 76 Yooh?
I clicked on it expecting to see something but all I saw was SE responsibilities and remark about avisI thought she just want to get "nice score" in there.
Fair enough. I just wanted to make sure I understood your meaning.In post 119, LuckyLuciano wrote:1) Almost, but not quite. I don't think incorrect reads (the easier ones) deserve any town cred at all. I am saying they don't merit scum cred. Being wrong is null.
2) Yes, because their vote was deliberate and therefore is worthy of occupying some portion of their headspace.
I don't think you understand my angle here. I'm not