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In post 94, Celeste wrote:Your initial qualm against the Innocent Child was her lack of specifying reasons. It seems she could've answered your question here in many ways as mafia, since there are plenty of reasonable posts to reference, yet we seem awfully happy to hand waive our previous suspicions now, don't we?

In post 90, maxwell wrote:I put a lot of thought into the setup while I was waiting for the game to start and while I'll say more later, day 1 should be played for a long-term strategy. Getting strong townreads can basically win the game automatically. Still need to develop reads to get there, though so I'd rather see day 1 play out 'normally', I just ask that no one be put at L-1 because any quickhammer is severely damaging to the gamestate.

It's already way late here so I can't spend all night typing things up but I'll try to give some quick thoughts:

despite finding the reasoning in his last post somewhat odd, I actually like Clover as town here - his push on guiltylion feels genuine with the way he's investigating his stances rather than trying to push on something cheap.

I like that guiltylion actually bothered to investigate my activity, on first pass I thought he was town but on a reread didn't like his back and forth with clover as much. I'm tired so my thinking is not the best. Still shows more evidence of tying to be proactive than most.

If I could confidently townread Blair I'd declare the game to be won already, but I can't - the early excessive setup talk comes across as avoiding scumhunting, and felt like she hands out townreads too easily in #40 and #73.

Dunnstral has been fillery, devoid of content, with a rather awkward start. Don't see what other people are seeing in the townread there. I'll be reading Micro 639 to see if that's just his meta/if he's easy lynchbait, though.

T-Bone's opening was fillery/useless, lot of talk about the setup and past games. Do kind of like his empty vote on Dunn, though, becuase I didn't like his start either, but it does look off given he started the game similarly.

Kanna: really fillery start, plus a weak sheep of clover's vote on guiltylion while only committing to "I kind of agree" in #67. probably the scummiest of everyone who's posted.


Well, that took me too long and I'm not super happy with it, but I need to sleep.

In post 91, Blair wrote:

In post 88, GuiltyLion wrote:I ammmm willing to reconsider Clover I think

not a fan of you casting me as a newbie tho I'll have you know I have played an

extensive

amount of games here over 5 years thank you

I haven't liked maxwell's posts so far

Who has played with GuiltyLion before? I have a question.

If GuiltyLion is scum, being perceived as a newbie when he is not is objectively an advantage - being underestimated where you are competent and overestimated where you are not is strategically ideal (insert vapid Tsun Zhu reference here).

GuiltyLion throws that advantage away here, ostensibly to defend his reputation as an experienced player.

Is GuiltyLion the kind of player who looks a gift horse in the mouth? I'm discounting all the WIFOM-fuel answers here in favor of either A.) he is not the sort of player who believes being underestimated is an advantage, or B.) he is that sort of player, but didn't mind tossing that advantage in the garbage here because he's town and doesn't care about that sort of thing.

(If the answer really is "C.) he knows it's an advantage but tossed it aside here for the even greater advantage of being townread by Blair for doing so" then please don't even answer - I don't need that kind of stress)

In post 44, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 43, T-Bone wrote:

Vote: Dunnstral

My lynch would certainly be convenient for you

In post 69, GuiltyLion wrote:The "somewhat nod at is the one against myself" feels hilariously self-conscious scum. If you're town you should not find any reasoning against you to be good! Believable maybe, but why would you agree that your own posting is suspicious, instead of trying to correct me for why it is not?

In post 81, GuiltyLion wrote:Clover, I will also engage you on this front:

If I can show you many, many, many, town games where I, as town, pressure people within the first 3 pages for "reaches" or molehills, and additionally

get flak

for doing so much like you are doing here, will you concede that your point is NAI? Because I am confident that a simple meta search will back me up here

In post 91, Blair wrote:SNIP

In post 90, maxwell wrote:SNIP

In post 82, maxwell wrote:Guilty as charged. I saw the day had started, saw it was early RVS, and decided to peace out until there was something more substantial. Normally I wouldn't mind messing around but I feel this setup needs to be played strategically so it's better for me to project Seriousness. I'm satisfied with what's been posted now to form reads, though. Going to start writing those up now.

In post 90, maxwell wrote:despite finding the reasoning in his last post somewhat odd, I actually like Clover as town here - his push on guiltylion feels genuine with the way he's investigating his stances rather than trying to push on something cheap.

I like that guiltylion actually bothered to investigate my activity, on first pass I thought he was town but on a reread didn't like his back and forth with clover as much. I'm tired so my thinking is not the best. Still shows more evidence of tying to be proactive than most.

If I could confidently townread Blair I'd declare the game to be won already, but I can't - the early excessive setup talk comes across as avoiding scumhunting, and felt like she hands out townreads too easily in #40 and #73.

Dunnstral has been fillery, devoid of content, with a rather awkward start. Don't see what other people are seeing in the townread there. I'll be reading Micro 639 to see if that's just his meta/if he's easy lynchbait, though.

T-Bone's opening was fillery/useless, lot of talk about the setup and past games. Do kind of like his empty vote on Dunn, though, becuase I didn't like his start either, but it does look off given he started the game similarly.

Kanna: really fillery start, plus a weak sheep of clover's vote on guiltylion while only committing to "I kind of agree" in #67. probably the scummiest of everyone who's posted.

In post 107, Rozyroz wrote:Right now no one pops out at me as suspicious. This will probably change soon and I'm open to hearing any evidence. My opinion right now is that we should lynch someone in a corner and of there is no way to know which corner to lynch as none of those players have said anything.
VOTE: GuiltyLion
Their name must make them guilty

In post 97, Celeste wrote:The excuse in 82 is very strange. You make such ugly noises when you overexplain, maxwell.

In post 104, Dunnstral wrote:If I'm being less reactionary Maxwell put up a blanket 'this person is fillery' read for everyone who wasn't talking about mechanics

In post 110, T-Bone wrote:And finally, I hate *most* of this post and I can't quite put my finger on why (basically all the quick thoughts). Probably hanging several "player X, Y, and Z are devoid of content" while being devoid of content. Self-awareness not being shown at this point. But they are quick thoughts? IDK.

In post 109, T-Bone wrote:Finally, both of them are middle blocks like me, so while not completely off the table (because again, while corners are optimal it doesn't matter that much) I wouldn't feel strongly enough on page 2 to want to lynch them.

In post 111, Blair wrote:If he genuinely believes weak openings are scum tells, that might explain why he avoided RVS althogether. It feels like he avoided early game so he could make pushes like this without any risk of looking hypocritical.

In post 106, Celeste wrote:B-tier: Clover Ebi
C-tier: Blair, T-Bone, Dunnstral
D-tier: maxwell
E-tier: GuiltyLion, Kanna

VOTE: Kanna

Now, now, you call yourself an Innocent Child? You may want to reconsider.

In post 108, Rozyroz wrote:Correction: none of those players have said enough to make me suspicious of them

In post 115, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 109, T-Bone wrote:Finally, both of them are middle blocks like me, so while not completely off the table (because again, while corners are optimal it doesn't matter that much) I wouldn't feel strongly enough on page 2 to want to lynch them.

Hold up, apologies if I missed this somewhere but doesn't it matter a lot? If we open with an edge, while we can still force a draw with certain moves, we can also be forced into a tictactoe loss with wrong moves, which means we're giving ourselves a very tight lynchpool on D2.

In post 115, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 109, T-Bone wrote:Finally, both of them are middle blocks like me, so while not completely off the table (because again, while corners are optimal it doesn't matter that much) I wouldn't feel strongly enough on page 2 to want to lynch them.

Hold up, apologies if I missed this somewhere but doesn't it matter a lot? If we open with an edge, while we can still force a draw with certain moves, we can also be forced into a tictactoe loss with wrong moves, which means we're giving ourselves a very tight lynchpool on D2.

In post 114, T-Bone wrote:So was it a lack of self-awareness or something else?

In post 119, GuiltyLion wrote:I think if Maxwell is scum, he's one of those "just try to emulate how you'd play as town" types and isn't bothering to plan for long term strategy in the game right now

In post 88, GuiltyLion wrote:I ammmm willing to reconsider Clover I think

not a fan of you casting me as a newbie tho I'll have you know I have played an

extensive

amount of games here over 5 years thank you

I haven't liked maxwell's posts so far

In post 91, Blair wrote:

In post 88, GuiltyLion wrote:I ammmm willing to reconsider Clover I think

not a fan of you casting me as a newbie tho I'll have you know I have played an

extensive

amount of games here over 5 years thank you

I haven't liked maxwell's posts so far

Who has played with GuiltyLion before? I have a question.

If GuiltyLion is scum, being perceived as a newbie when he is not is objectively an advantage - being underestimated where you are competent and overestimated where you are not is strategically ideal (insert vapid Tsun Zhu reference here).

GuiltyLion throws that advantage away here, ostensibly to defend his reputation as an experienced player.

Is GuiltyLion the kind of player who looks a gift horse in the mouth? I'm discounting all the WIFOM-fuel answers here in favor of either A.) he is not the sort of player who believes being underestimated is an advantage, or B.) he is that sort of player, but didn't mind tossing that advantage in the garbage here because he's town and doesn't care about that sort of thing.

(If the answer really is "C.) he knows it's an advantage but tossed it aside here for the even greater advantage of being townread by Blair for doing so" then please don't even answer - I don't need that kind of stress)

In post 123, Clover Ebi wrote:I'm not calling you a newbie! I just think your entire viewpoint on how people would play is something I would expect from one. If that makes sense.