Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Marksman]

What? That was his explanation for finding ChemElem town. Nothing to do with the 3 names I voted. Read it again?

[Chemical Elements]

Don't you think your efforts would be better suited to saying something rather than playing back-up mod all of the time? I'm not trying to discourage it - just noting that you've now done it 3 times on one page with the mod also providing a vote count above. I also still don't know what

you

think after all of it.

I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

[Marksman]

I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well

[Hiraki]

I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well

It would be

such

a stretch to say that he was voting people for their lack of participation if he's townreading someone for their participation, right?

[Hiraki]

Don't you think your efforts would be better suited to saying something rather than playing back-up mod all of the time? I'm not trying to discourage it - just noting that you've now done it 3 times on one page with the mod also providing a vote count above. I also still don't know what

you

think after all of it.

I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

It's okay. When you get lost, you can just follow me then. Mindlessly, hopefully.

[Chemical Elements]

I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well

It would be

such

a stretch to say that he was voting people for their lack of participation if he's townreading someone for their participation, right?

Hiraki, why are you even answering on WyounsLastClone's behalf?

[Chemical Elements]

Don't you think your efforts would be better suited to saying something rather than playing back-up mod all of the time? I'm not trying to discourage it - just noting that you've now done it 3 times on one page with the mod also providing a vote count above. I also still don't know what

you

think after all of it.

I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

It's okay. When you get lost, you can just follow me then. Mindlessly, hopefully.

Fortunately, I currently have a suspect if he flips town.

[Marksman]

@Hiraki - I do think that's a stretch actually if you're suggesting I should've immediately assumed that. You're putting words in his mouth.

+Hiraki/Wey equity

[Hiraki]

I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well

It would be

such

a stretch to say that he was voting people for their lack of participation if he's townreading someone for their participation, right?

Hiraki, why are you even answering on WyounsLastClone's behalf?

Because it's a terrible question. Feel free to tell me what other answer Wey could give here that isn't utter ridiculous. The people haven't posted clearly his 'suspicion' is because they haven't posted. Pressure to post and suspicion due to not posting are the same thing in this scenario, especially with a vote.

Don't you think your efforts would be better suited to saying something rather than playing back-up mod all of the time? I'm not trying to discourage it - just noting that you've now done it 3 times on one page with the mod also providing a vote count above. I also still don't know what

you

think after all of it.

I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

It's okay. When you get lost, you can just follow me then. Mindlessly, hopefully.

Fortunately, I currently have a suspect if he flips town.

But you intend on just playing these weird coy games in the meantime?

[Marksman]

I'd continue arguing with Hiraki on the difference between suspicion/pressure but I suspect it wouldn't help determine alignments.

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki - I do think that's a stretch actually if you're suggesting I should've immediately assumed that. You're putting words in his mouth.

No, I don't think you immediately assume it. I think you go back, think about it for a second, and then put it all together. Instead, I believe you saw an opportunity, seized it, and tried to get something with it. I won't allow it though. One is trying to solve the puzzle to get the right answer, the other is trying to get a lynch on whomever (eventually). You reek of the later.

[Chemical Elements]

I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well

It would be

such

a stretch to say that he was voting people for their lack of participation if he's townreading someone for their participation, right?

Hiraki, why are you even answering on WyounsLastClone's behalf?

Because it's a terrible question. Feel free to tell me what other answer Wey could give here that isn't utter ridiculous. The people haven't posted clearly his 'suspicion' is because they haven't posted. Pressure to post and suspicion due to not posting are the same thing in this scenario, especially with a vote.

You are assuming WyounsLastClone would even give an answer that isn't utterly ridiculous.

Don't you think your efforts would be better suited to saying something rather than playing back-up mod all of the time? I'm not trying to discourage it - just noting that you've now done it 3 times on one page with the mod also providing a vote count above. I also still don't know what

you

think after all of it.

I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

It's okay. When you get lost, you can just follow me then. Mindlessly, hopefully.

Fortunately, I currently have a suspect if he flips town.

But you intend on just playing these weird coy games in the meantime?

Weird coy games?

[innocentvillager]

I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

LOL WTF

[Chemical Elements]

Now I am coming around to the conclusion that Marksman and Hiraki have conflicting playstyles and that is what is causing the conflict.

[Hiraki]

I'd continue arguing with Hiraki on the difference between suspicion/pressure but I suspect it wouldn't help determine alignments.

No it 100% has to do with your alignment. Please tell me what he was suspicious of and why when he didn't post anything. He literally cannot be suspicious. That is a townie mindset. You decided to try and rip his words apart as if they had meaning no matter what he was saying. That is a scum mindset.

You are assuming WyounsLastClone would even give an answer that isn't utterly ridiculous.

Even though he already stated that he TR someone else for reasons in the game? Yeah, super big stretch there?

Weird coy games?

That is what I said.

[Marksman]

@Hiraki - I do think that's a stretch actually if you're suggesting I should've immediately assumed that. You're putting words in his mouth.

No, I don't think you immediately assume it. I think you go back, think about it for a second, and then put it all together. Instead, I believe you saw an opportunity, seized it, and tried to get something with it. I won't allow it though. One is trying to solve the puzzle to get the right answer, the other is trying to get a lynch on whomever (eventually). You reek of the later.

Because I didn't make a somewhat disconnected link between those parts of his posts? Sure thing, bud.

Others should chip in on this. Who else drew that conclusion (before reading Hiraki's reasoning)?

[Chemical Elements]

You are assuming WyounsLastClone would even give an answer that isn't utterly ridiculous.

Even though he already stated that he TR someone else for reasons in the game? Yeah, super big stretch there?

How did you know what type of answer he would have given?

Weird coy games?

That is what I said.

I don't understand.

[innocentvillager]

No it 100% has to do with your alignment. Please tell me what he was suspicious of and why when he didn't post anything. He literally cannot be suspicious. That is a townie mindset. You decided to try and rip his words apart as if they had meaning no matter what he was saying. That is a scum mindset.

Hm, this is interesting, I agree

You are assuming WyounsLastClone would even give an answer that isn't utterly ridiculous.

Hmm, I agree with this, very interesting

That is what I said.

Yes, I find your words convincing, very good analysis thank you

[Marksman]

No it 100% has to do with your alignment. Please tell me what he was suspicious of and why when he didn't post anything. He literally cannot be suspicious. That is a townie mindset. You decided to try and rip his words apart as if they had meaning no matter what he was saying. That is a scum mindset.

Who is "he"? The 3 people I voted for? They're not "suspicious" for not posting. I am voting to

pressure

them. You telling me you've never voted someone you're null reading or even townreading them to motivate them to post more?

Wey said he was

suspicious

of "most" of the people in that post. For me, being suspicious of someone means you dislike them for specific reasons. Maybe it's because Wey thinks scum are more likely to lurk start of game. Or maybe it was an oversight from scum!Wey and he gave reasoning without thinking about first. I asked him the question to solve him. You needleslly stepped in and answered for him. That's scummy.

[innocentvillager]

@Hiraki - I do think that's a stretch actually if you're suggesting I should've immediately assumed that. You're putting words in his mouth.

No, I don't think you immediately assume it. I think you go back, think about it for a second, and then put it all together. Instead, I believe you saw an opportunity, seized it, and tried to get something with it. I won't allow it though. One is trying to solve the puzzle to get the right answer, the other is trying to get a lynch on whomever (eventually). You reek of the later.

I like this point a lot, I resonate with it and can get behind this very interesting

[innocentvillager]

Because it's a terrible question. Feel free to tell me what other answer Wey could give here that isn't utter ridiculous. The people haven't posted clearly his 'suspicion' is because they haven't posted. Pressure to post and suspicion due to not posting are the same thing in this scenario, especially with a vote.

yes, it's a terrible question! I completely agree, we have similar thoughts indeed

[Marksman]

Are you a Hiraki fanboy? (I won't judge)

[Hiraki]

How did you know what type of answer he would have given?

Because there literally is no other reason. It is a yes or no question where if you answer "Pineapples" as an answer, it doesn't make any sense. So congrats, if Wey comes in here and decides to tell us that he's voting them because a Pineapple told him, you've proven me wrong. Instead, I'm going to actually read the game where the three haven't posted and realize that he is voting them because they haven't posted and suspicion is a bad word. But

again

that is missing the point that Marksman didn't even think this far and just saw the word "suspicion", latched onto it because there is nothing to be suspicious of, and set-up a "GOTCHA!" based on the fact that this is clearly the situation. But again - I know you think that Wey is going to come in and say Pineapples for some reason still.

They're not "suspicious" for not posting. I am voting to pressure them. You telling me you've never voted someone you're null reading or even townreading them to motivate them to post more?

Perfect - there it is. You're now questioning him based on verbiage rather than intent? That is a terrible way of scumhunting, if you are genuine.

For me, being suspicious of someone means you dislike them for specific reasons. Maybe it's because Wey thinks scum are more likely to lurk start of game. Or maybe it was an oversight from scum!Wey and he gave reasoning without thinking about first. I asked him the question to solve him. You needleslly stepped in and answered for him. That's scummy.

What ANSWER does he give other than "they didn't post yet"???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

You needleslly stepped in and answered for him. That's scummy.

Yes, I helped him cheat on the exam. The question? What is 2 + 2?

[Chemical Elements]

How did you know what type of answer he would have given?

Because there literally is no other reason. It is a yes or no question where if you answer "Pineapples" as an answer, it doesn't make any sense. So congrats, if Wey comes in here and decides to tell us that he's voting them because a Pineapple told him, you've proven me wrong. Instead, I'm going to actually read the game where the three haven't posted and realize that he is voting them because they haven't posted and suspicion is a bad word. But

again

that is missing the point that Marksman didn't even think this far and just saw the word "suspicion", latched onto it because there is nothing to be suspicious of, and set-up a "GOTCHA!" based on the fact that this is clearly the situation. But again - I know you think that Wey is going to come in and say Pineapples for some reason still.

However, that isn't the only answer he could have given. He could have came back and said that I found them suspicious because (I actually have thought of something, but I, unlike you, am going to wait if he actually says this).

They're not "suspicious" for not posting. I am voting to pressure them. You telling me you've never voted someone you're null reading or even townreading them to motivate them to post more?

Perfect - there it is. You're now questioning him based on verbiage rather than intent? That is a terrible way of scumhunting, if you are genuine.

For me, being suspicious of someone means you dislike them for specific reasons. Maybe it's because Wey thinks scum are more likely to lurk start of game. Or maybe it was an oversight from scum!Wey and he gave reasoning without thinking about first. I asked him the question to solve him. You needleslly stepped in and answered for him. That's scummy.

What ANSWER does he give other than "they didn't post yet"???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

You needleslly stepped in and answered for him. That's scummy.

Yes, I helped him cheat on the exam. The question? What is 2 + 2?

[Hiraki]

THEY DIDN'T POST ANYTHING, WHAT ELSE COULD HE BE SUSPICIOUS OF?