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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:13 am

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Evilgorrilaz wrote:
Ectomancer wrote: I didn't buy Zombie's post restriction, as I stated. It's not like "omfg, I knew scum when I smelled it", but if Im going to have suspicion tossed my way for things, at least get it right about what that suspicion should be...
According to the PM MM put up, ZS wasn't lying about his post restriction.
So he wasn't. Odd how that worked out. Still not ready to start outguessing the mod now.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:39 am

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1: His first post was a riddle.
Hm, ok I didnt see it as one, but I can see where you are coming from.
2: Lynching him will tell you if he is town being lame or scum being cute.
Ehh? Whats the point of this? Lynching anyone will tell us wether that person was scum or town. Why is this a reason to vote/not vote anybody?
3: Do YOU?
While my implication was somewhat agressive, it was based on my reasoning. This is just ad hominem.
You noticed what happened with the other guy who claimed a post restriction? We found out whether he was lying or not when he died, or do you not understand that basic concept?
I get teh basic concept all right. On the same line of reasoning, we can lynch you and find out wether you genuinely tought your reasoning makes sense, or well, not. Saying that "a lynch will tell us wether xy is scum, therefore its not worth pursuing him" is ... well, i was aboiut to say a fallacy, but it isnt a fallacy, its just stupidly bad reasoning.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:21 am

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As I said before, follow a timeline. The original statement was made
before
it was made clear that his issue was a post restriction. It was also early in the game. Do you enjoy the random stage? or do you take the opportunity to get out of it?
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:30 am

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That has been taken into consideration. It still makes no sense to me. In particular, it does not answer this point:
Saying that "a lynch will tell us wether xy is scum, therefore its not worth pursuing him" is ... well, i was aboiut to say a fallacy, but it isnt a fallacy, its just stupidly bad reasoning.
Hehe, self-quote FTW!
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:49 am

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It doesnt answer that quote because that wasnt me, nor did I say the line in quotations, paraphrased or otherwise.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:09 am

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vote: Evilgorillaz


ZombieSlayer54 wrote:Tamuz: Evil was taking his vote off me due to the fact that we have exited the random stage. Considerably, as soon as real debate starts, it is good manners to take off any random vote you may have.
Explaining Scumbuddy?


Arafax wrote:Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions. Tamuz's post restriction is annoying...I hate post restrictions.


BillyTwilight wrote:I'll look at this later and post some actual content.
Content NOW



Strife wrote: And I'm, to a lesser extent, suspicious of Tamuz for
singling out Raj
but not any of the other lurkers.
Tamuzi wrote:STthoughts. Bigger posts


ZombieSlayer54 wrote:I.E. This is not a "direct quote", per se, as I left important parts out.
Role:Scum :lol:


Ectomancer wrote:unvote, vote strife220.

Looks like a scum buddy to me.
How. ShowTA



BillyTwilight wrote:Suffice it to say that my vote can't stay in one place for very long.
Explain. Why?



BillyTwilight wrote:Considering I don't have any real leads on who I think are scum I'm just
voting in order from the mod's first post.
Mod wrote: 1. BillyTwilight
2. J-man
3. Tamuz
5. strife220
6. Ectomancer
BillyTwilight wrote: Vote: J-Man
vote: tamuz
vote: Zombie

Vote: strife
vote: Ecto
Lies?



BillyTwilight wrote:I'll go back and look over Zombie's interactions and see if there is anything there that might point to other players.
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Ectomancer wrote:scum being cute.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3384




Evilgorillaz wrote:According to the PM MM put up, ZS wasn't lying about his post restriction.
Devils Advocate, scum?



EVinteractionZO scummy. Defending.
Still defending after death.

BImust post CONTENT

ECfine logic, nothing wrong/suspicious IMO.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:37 am

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nor did I say the line in quotations, paraphrased or otherwise.
vote nokill

Tamuz' riddles can be solved with a lynch.
Ehh? Am I missing something? Sounds to me like you vote for a nokill , then supply reasoning behind that.
If it isnt the case, then this is just simply a no-point statement.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:45 am

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Tamuz wrote:
BillyTwilight wrote:Considering I don't have any real leads on who I think are scum I'm just
voting in order from the mod's first post.
Mod wrote: 1. BillyTwilight
2. J-man
3. Tamuz
5. strife220
6. Ectomancer
BillyTwilight wrote: Vote: J-Man
vote: tamuz
vote: Zombie

Vote: strife
vote: Ecto
Lies?
Check again there, bub. See how that list goes
2, 3,
5, 6
. That's cuz Zombie was 4. Mod moved him out of the list after the modkill. So yeah, I voted exactly like I said I had.

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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:11 am

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What I'm asking Ecto is how you came to the conclusion that Strife is Zombie's Scum buddy?

Any explanation on that vote Billy?....Congrats btw.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:44 pm

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People. I had the flu or a bug the past days, but im ok now. wasnt online because of it.

So, back to busines, im still not sure who to vote, but i remembered unvoting tamuz. just think the mod didnt get it. so, gain:

unvote:Tamuz
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:38 pm

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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:56 pm

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VisMajor please indicate who you are quoting: {quote="Person you're quoting"}. Your posts are awkward to follow because of it

Out of boredom, and not much going on in my other games, here's a list of who's left alive and how they interacted with ZombieSlayer:

1. BillyTwilight
- Votes ZS, then says he's unsure what to make of the claim, but its' "unverifiable, without lynching him."

2. J-man
- Says he doesn't believe ZS's claim and votes him.

3. Tamuz
- Votes ZS D2, saying "ZOvehemence scummy." whatever that means...
- Calls bullshit on ZS's claim
- Requests flavor on EvilMonkey (presumably meaning ZS)

6. Ectomancer
- Asks ZS about his post restriction, criticizing him for outing information, and asking if the penalty resets at the end of the day. ZS soon replies
- Says he buys Tamuz's post restriction, but not zombie's, "though he could easily have one"
- Seconds Tamuz's request for flavor

7. VisMaior
- Doesn't believe ZS's claim - votes him.

8. Evilgorrilaz
- Started off the game with a random vote on ZS
- Gets spoken to by ZS. Evil asks Tamuz if the votes required to lynch him decrease per post, and ZS butts in and says that's his condition.
- Unvotes ZS after votes have piled up to L-3 or so.
- ZS explains Evil's actions to be taking off a random vote, when somebody else questioned Evil.
- Responds to J-man's skepticism about ZS's post restriction, saying they're 'not uncommon' in theme games.

9. rajrhcpfreaky
- Voted for by ZS after his page two "OMGUS." ZS backs up his reasoning in a later post, saying "I really do not care what your "playstyle" is. If you continually say "IMMA TOWNIE IMMA TOWNIE" over and over again, that screams scum to me."
- Points out that ZS's flavor favors scum. Promises a reread on zombie before a vote.

10. RealityFan

11. Arafax

- says he doesn't find ZS's claim horribly scummy

12. queen_of_spades

- Started off the game by being random-voted by ZS


Outside of the interactions, Ecto and Raj would be my best guesses at scum. However, based on the interactions with ZS, I'd say Evil is the most suspicious. There are too many casual interactions and semi-defenses. My next best guess would be someone who didn't really comment on the situation at all - Queen of Spades and Reality Fan. Both of which are lurking, though QoS has recently explained her situation. I'd say Reality Fan's lurking is the most suspicious given what just happened with the modkill.

Those who voted ZS after his claim, and those who made requests for flavor, I believe are the best guesses at town at this point, and thus aren't great choices for D1 lynching. Evil is my suspect #1, with the lurking reality fan being #2.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:15 pm

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Note, I am going on vacation and will have wireless, but I doubt that I will post a ton over the next 10 days.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:14 pm

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Arafax wrote:What I'm asking Ecto is how you came to the conclusion that Strife is Zombie's Scum buddy?

Any explanation on that vote Billy?....Congrats btw.
If you arent accusing someone of something, you arent scum hunting.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:41 pm

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Vote Count #4 salutes Mr. 80 SPF Sunblock Wearer

2 – Evilgorrilaz (strife220, Tamuz)

1 – rajrhcpfreak (RealityFan)
1 – strife220 (Ectomancer)
1 – Ectomancer (VisMaior)
1 – VisMaior (BillyTwilight)

Not Voting: Arafax, Evilgorrilaz, J-man, rajrhcpfreak, queen_of_spades

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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:29 am

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Ectomancer wrote:
Arafax wrote:What I'm asking Ecto is how you came to the conclusion that Strife is Zombie's Scum buddy?
If you arent accusing someone of something, you arent scum hunting.
You didn't accuse, you voted....Explanation?

Are you trying to dodge this?
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:26 am

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Arafax wrote:
Ectomancer wrote:
Arafax wrote:What I'm asking Ecto is how you came to the conclusion that Strife is Zombie's Scum buddy?
If you arent accusing someone of something, you arent scum hunting.
You didn't accuse, you voted....Explanation?

Are you trying to dodge this?
vote = accusation = pressure = how am I avoiding this?
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:10 am

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Need more crackpot theories and wild accusations here... 2 posts Friday with 11 people alive?
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:44 pm

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heres a crackpot theory.

strife is scum.

vote: strife


the continual pushing that i am scum even with me being on the zombiewagon. the neat scum comment doesn't win me over either. then there is the comment on how we are back to square one.

also his involvement on the zombie runup wasnt spectacular. he thirds a the people asking for a full claim. but doesnt give him a vote that pushes a claim.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:54 pm

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rajrhcpfreak wrote: the continual pushing that i am scum even with me being on the zombiewagon.
I haven't pushed that you were scum since you played a part on forcing zombie's claim ...?
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:59 pm

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strife220 wrote: I haven't pushed that you were scum since you played a part on forcing zombie's claim ...?
strife220 wrote: Those who voted ZS after his claim, and those who made requests for flavor, I believe are the best guesses at town at this point, and thus aren't great choices for D1 lynching.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:23 pm

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Evilgorrilaz wrote:
strife220 wrote: I haven't pushed that you were scum since you played a part on forcing zombie's claim ...?
strife220 wrote: Those who voted ZS after his claim, and those who made requests for flavor, I believe are the best guesses at town at this point, and thus aren't great choices for D1 lynching.
Why?
Due to ZS's unexpected death, I feel that the likelihood of those who put pressure on him doing so for the sake of distancing is less likely. Moreover, those who pressured him into a claim were the ones responsible for his death. I would think a scum-buddy would realize this was an incredibly sensitive situation and would thus avoid it.

Moreover, this is still D1. We're in the excellent position of already having 1 scum down, and get this wealth of information to support a D1 lynch - much better than the usual D1-happenings of wild accusations until someone gets misinterpreted and mislynched.


How do YOU think we should be treating this situation, Evil? What is your theory for the best lynch today? How do ZS's interactions with others influence that opinion?
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:00 am

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unvote
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:44 am

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Well, the lull rers its ugly head...

Also, Im still looking for the enlightment about my last question.

And noch:
whomever wrote this, wrote:- ZS explains Evil's actions to be taking off a random vote, when somebody else questioned Evil.
This seems like a good lead to me.
FOS Evil

Id vote exept im satisfied with my current vote now.

And the PS: where is everyone?
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:19 pm

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Billytwilight, Tamuz, and Queen of Spades haven't posted for 4 days.

RealityFan and J-man haven't posted for about a week.

Mod
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