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In post 91, Battle Mage wrote:and yes i could easily see scum struggling with the council mechanic.

In post 94, Artemiana wrote:I don't think you're the most transparent player but, you do have a good gut. I (think) you're more likely to be active as town, and you're a pusher and prodded.

I also think that you have a tendency to scum read more careful/timid players

In post 100, Artemiana wrote:

In post 91, Battle Mage wrote:and yes i could easily see scum struggling with the council mechanic.

I hard disagree. I think scum would have an easier time with the mechanic than town would. Their edge of knowledge would be pretty powerful, and scum have the incentive to pocket and manipulate town so that they can get a seat in the council.

With this in mind, I would be less suspicious of mozzyman and more so with enchant who seems to be appearing pro-town

In post 102, Artemiana wrote:No

But I can be calculating but may or may not appear so

In post 103, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 100, Artemiana wrote:

In post 91, Battle Mage wrote:and yes i could easily see scum struggling with the council mechanic.

I hard disagree. I think scum would have an easier time with the mechanic than town would. Their edge of knowledge would be pretty powerful, and scum have the incentive to pocket and manipulate town so that they can get a seat in the council.

With this in mind, I would be less suspicious of mozzyman and more so with enchant who seems to be appearing pro-town

You don't think 'mozzyman' ultimately ended up doing precisely that pocketing, when making a real show of choosing who would be in their council? I think it's harder to play for scum because they get a big advantage if they get on the council, but if they make it too obvious, it can really throw the game because they wont get on the council and they'll get eliminated. So they need to find a good balance. Whereas town can be quite genuine about it - you just pick yourself and your townreads or whatever. So my expectation is, scum may be more tentative at first - not wanting to seem too eager to get on the council; hence I'm suspicious of those who were reluctant to even throw a couple random names down.

In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 27, mozamis wrote:why are people voting to heal, surely they cant have any idea of who town is yet?

i just picked what i thought would make a good council. I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan, and I feel like between us we can get a good read on Artemiana.

also I think we have to vote the council before we elim someone, so it probably is slightly a case of getting it done earlier? Otherwise scum/idiot town can hammer a wagon and we get no council.

In post 35, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 34, mozamis wrote:i guess seems a bit hasty dont want to yet

...too hasty to randomly vote for town players, but not too hasty to randomly vote for scum players?

especially when an actual vote could result in ending the day with no council.

VOTE: mozamis

In post 41, Almost50 wrote:

In post 18, Battle Mage wrote:HEAL: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

VOTE: yessiree

In post 21, Artemiana wrote:HEAL: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Three possibilities here:

1- Both a re Scum
2- Both are Town
3- One of them is Scum & 1 is Town

TAKE NOTE OF MY WISDOM. I'm the next guru (no offense intended @Yessiree)

In post 46, Almost50 wrote:

In post 28, mozamis wrote:VOTE: T-BONE

Meat is murder

I think -if Scum- he could have easily asked his p (or the mod) in the Scum PT.

In post 48, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 43, mozamis wrote:@ Battle Mage - RVS is traditonal. Seems unlikely we are going to have a quick Elim.
Why rush vote a council when we dont have to? I want the council to be solid town.
Often 3 peple do look really town, so we have a fair chance of doing that. Why do you want to rush a council vote?

I don't think it's a complete rush, but we do need to sequence properly - council needs to be selected before we properly run up any elim wagons, to avoid the risk we end up with no council. So it's not quite like a game with a hurt/heal phase and then an elim phase, but they can't run in parallel either.
Having a town council is considerably better than having scum within the council. But even having scum within the council can be informative. What I really want to avoid strategically, is having no council at all. We're a long way off that currently.

In post 68, Enchant wrote:Ok, i take it seriusly now.


As we know, Council get ability to protect and track.

It will become worthless if even one mafia slip.

For obvious reason. We have 9 people and only 2 mafia. So we have pretty decent chances to create "All Town Council" right now. So while you can be suspicious, it's almost impossible to have evidence. So it's better to create council than don't create, even if you disagree with people in it.

How to choose? Well, i suggested myself and BM+T-Bone for reason. I know i'm town, and BM with T-Bone is expireinced players, who can point track and protect at right target. Though, everyone could say that.


If mafia killed, it makes tracks even more powerfull. If somehow one of mafia die,

don't eluminate

before council become impossible (Day 4), because tracks will produce confirmed townies.

In post 69, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 62, Almost50 wrote:

In post 47, mozamis wrote:that's great and all, but

you can't possibly

knpw whether he is town or scum yet. Best to unvote.

Think again.

that's a fair point. looks like a scumslip - if Mozamis was town, they would think I could potentially be scum.

VOTE: mozamis

All aboard!

In post 73, Enchant wrote:So listen my suggestion.


I'm not really happy with Battle Mage choose. I feel like he could just grab someone from scumteam. So my suggestion.


We choose one person via majority. After that, this person choose someone. And then, this choosen person will choose third one. And this will be our Council. While it's possible for mafia being in, we gain maximum info from this. Of course it somewhat strange on paper and dunno if necessary, but fun as hell so let's do. No, you can't vote for yourself.


I vote mozamis for Council. He expireinced player as well (2011), but somehow not in list of any councils. So i suggesting him.

Raya36 wrote: We should definitely not pick our council based on who's the most experienced.

Raya36 wrote: This is a pretty good idea in theory but I'm worried when it comes down to it I'll not want to choose someone I townread because I suspect they'll choose someone I scumread and don't want on the council. This happened in a game with a mechanic like that a while back

In post 117, Enchant wrote:What happened exactly?

In post 47, mozamis wrote:

In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan

that's great and all, but you can't possibly knpw whether he is town or scum yet. Best to unvote.

In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 27, mozamis wrote:why are people voting to heal, surely they cant have any idea of who town is yet?

i just picked what i thought would make a good council. I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan, and I feel like between us we can get a good read on Artemiana.

also I think we have to vote the council before we elim someone, so it probably is slightly a case of getting it done earlier? Otherwise scum/idiot town can hammer a wagon and we get no council.

In post 122, Raya36 wrote:I would assume no council so we'd have to be mindful of that but good idea to ask.

@mod What happens if we eliminate a member of the chosen council?

In post 1, brassherald wrote:

• Every day, players use HEAL: tags to propose a
  Council
  of 3 people. Proposals can be changed freely, but a decision is locked in when the majority of players propose the same combination of 3 people. Should there be no council decided before an elimination is hammered, there will be no council.
  
• Council members are made elimination-proof
  for the day and put into a PT the following night. During the night, they vote in their PT to
  track
  one person and
  protect
  one person. These function as tracker and doctor actions performed by the group.