Would a more experience player let me know if there is something to take away from this at this point of Day 1?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:44 am
by Leaven
In post 85, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
in newbie 2068, they did nearly the same thing as here for their opening posts, and so it read out to me as a deliberate attempt to keep their posting habits uniform, which val admits a part of
are you able to look back to that game and point out differences that imply that val is doing this as scum this time around?
So is the take here that this was done for balancing personal meta? Does having a balanced meta in general benefit a player most when town or when scum long term? Does being balanced in an individual situation help that specific town or scum?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:48 am
by Val89
Balancing?
Maybe I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but I don't know what this refers to, and I couldn't find anything on the wiki.
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:35 am
by Leaven
Sorry, trying to balance your style when playing as scum vs town.
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:11 am
by Val89
Well, some of the games I am playing in are still ongoing, so you will have to go at look yourself, but I think you will quickly find why that isn't an issue.
I do it because it has an excellent track record in moving the game out of RVS pretty sharpish and into substantive slot-sorting. I would suggest it appears to have been successful at that endeavour this time around, too.
I think I'm in agreement that conversation generation outweighs any of the finer meta points I was digging in to, but didn't want to complete handwave the conversation out of intellectual curiosity. Although, I do need to be aware of not diverting attention from moving out of RVS by nitpicking meta theory for my own education. Active posting seems for good/town, and while active for the sake distraction and confusion is less so, RVS by definition sort of has to fall into that fluff bucket at first. I don't think we want to discourage posting, but rather incent it.
To be completely honest, I don't scum read Val89 at all and I just completely made up a reason to scum read him that sounded vaguely plausible enough for people to interact with. No, I did not look at your meta. I was somewhat interested in what your reaction would be if a wagon built off of you for what was frankly just a reason I bullshitted off the top of my head, but I was also interested in the reactions of other people to my vote if a wagon didn't build.
why did I do that? mostly I read like a full page of fluff and I was annoyed and didn't want to keep extending RVS
I think the fact that people were fairly reluctant to vote you leans you town, your personal reaction aside
I had to specifically goad both James and Ythan towards voting you and Ythan only took the bait after a little bit. ClarkBar and Salsabi also came up for specific excuses why they wouldn't vote Val. Honestly, that doesn't tell me as much as I hoped it would. I think in an early RVS stage there is little reason not to join a wagon unless you feel strongly elsewhere because the stakes are so low, so the fact that a fair amount of people came out in soft defense of you reads maybe like at least one person knows you're town and thought it would look bad to hop on the wagon because of me?
For Ythan, I feel like it was a little bit out of character for him to need an extra prod to join the wagon, especially if he genuinely believes he should sheep me. Like he could have just been like "I don't want to discourage funny posts but we'll see where this goes" and then voted. I don't think of ythan as usually that... hesitant? Careful?
I did get a solid town read on cowsloveSushirolls. They didn't respond directly to the wagon but did sort of respond by proposing a towncore including both myself and Val. this shows they are thinking about both our posts and have some internal processes leading them to town read both of us individually. later, they also show they went to the lengths to meta check by BS read, which also points towards town
anyway VOTE: James
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:36 am
by Ythan
In post 112, Dannflor wrote:I don't think of ythan as usually that... hesitant? Careful?
Games are one thing but theoretical influence on site culture is serious business!
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:36 am
by Salsabil Faria
In post 100, Leaven wrote:If I'm catching up, is it preferably to multi-quote in response to multiple people are just 1 by 1 them?
In post 112, Dannflor wrote: Salsabi also came up for specific excuses why they wouldn't vote Val.
I didn't find any ping from that post, certainly not agreed with your reasoning, thus didn't vote. It's not an excuse, it's a read. And why do you think I would hop into voting after seeing your vote??
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:45 am
by Val89
In post 112, Dannflor wrote:they also show they went to the lengths to meta check by BS read, which also points towards town
I'm not sure that's true. Post 55 demonstrates they were already aware of me prior to the game, and I've only been in a small handful of games thus far. If there was any one thing you could point to that identifies my playstyle in particular, it would be the introductory semi-serious wall-shitpost, so I imagine they had already read 2068 and my other games where I do it rather than went meta diving to check the read.
