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In post 89, Hella Jeff wrote:

In post 72, geraintm wrote:@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

2nd time i've heard this from you, second time i wonder how you even have fun playing mafia

I have fun. Despite not being very good I do enjoy this game, I play one game at a time and try not to make the same mistakes over and over. And I play little enough thay I come across new

I'm torn between encouraging this just for the lols and refusing to be voted out for absolute bullshit.

In post 95, Galron wrote:god i hate relyingon meta but you can't get away from it

i think itś a GREAT tool in the earlygame in the absence of information but it just so happens that the people i know from previous games have not posted more than twice (aside from geraint, praise be)

In post 94, butterchurn wrote:I don't see a recent scumgame where

[geraint]

took this approach, but it's a clear enough attitude

that I would assume him to be capable of imitating it),

this is correct

In post 101, Greeting wrote:I'm torn between encouraging this just for the lols and refusing to be voted out for absolute bullshit.

So far this whole game is one big lol

In post 97, fua wrote:VOTE: Greeting

Real vote? Expand on this, please.

Greeting looks like scum flailing because they’re mad they got caught so early.

Greeting defensive tunneling, trying to grab an opportunistic thread with Geraint, and cracking under the pressure of a few votes reeks of scumminess.

In post 83, Greeting wrote:

In post 72, geraintm wrote:@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

And I say Day One might be useful. I used to believe that too, but MafiaScum games changed my mind. Given your rather distant join date, I'm rather surprised that you'd have such a take.

What's even weirder is you saying that we should ignore you, in 67. No. For me, you're potential scum just like all players in this game other than myself.

VOTE: geraintm

This is such a weirdly worded post. Especially the end part.

I don't really buy it. I've read all of Greeting's past games (he's the only one in this game that I've played with before) and he picks up votes for things like this as town very often, and his behavior seems pretty in character for how he is as town. I agree that his wording in that post is strange, but his wording is often strange, I don't think it's AI for him here. He has no scum games onsite, so I don't know how he'd play if that were the case, but to me this seems like much lower hanging fruit than geraintm. Your vote seems significantly more opportunistic than his.

You should vote me then.

I don’t buy that you read all of Greeting’s past games just because you played with him before.

Alright.

VOTE: fua

It’s also funny that you jumped in to defend Greeting both times I voted him. But what do I know?

In post 107, fua wrote:

In post 83, Greeting wrote:

In post 72, geraintm wrote:@ scorpious

i am saying people should ignore me because i am going to spend the rest of today saying we should all skip to Night because day 1 is pointless.

And I say Day One might be useful. I used to believe that too, but MafiaScum games changed my mind. Given your rather distant join date, I'm rather surprised that you'd have such a take.

What's even weirder is you saying that we should ignore you, in 67. No. For me, you're potential scum just like all players in this game other than myself.

VOTE: geraintm

This is such a weirdly worded post. Especially the end part.

I agree, thr last 2 words were very suspicious....

fua wrote:I don’t buy that you read all of Greeting’s past games just because you played with him before.

The game that I played with him is still in progress, so I can't discuss that one yet. You're free to read his past games yourself and see that what I said is true.

In post 113, fua wrote:It’s also funny that you jumped in to defend Greeting both times I voted him. But what do I know?

I've questioned 100% of times where people made a vote (excluding their first one) without a reason given, because I find that behavior questionable, and because town gets significantly less information if people don't give reasons for their votes. It just so happens that both of those cases were you.

In post 56, Hella Jeff wrote:

In post 54, Greeting wrote:It's honestly surprising that you already have a gutread on Capo22 from their three posts, but question me about wanting to have a meta read from a game where Cape90 had more than a hundred posts.

I don't form reads, not even gutreads until at least half of Day One and even then I'm usually not very confident about any of them. So the answer is nope.

my read - a weak read when it is acceptable to have one
your future meta read - a weak or completely inapplicable read when it won't be reasonable to have one

i've seen exceptional meta reads. in the first game i played, a player was convinced andante was scum through extensive reading of their town games
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13126770
i reserve my right to poop on people who are planning to pedal half-baked meta reads in the future. refer to 47

I'm actually quite critical of overreliance on meta, but it's better than nothing when starting to tackle the game Day One. And, since I played with that user before, I have analysed their behaviour before so I'd notice if something is different right away.

And I'd argue that saying because of two or three posts isn't very helpful. I've gotten absolutely no useful clues from these posts in any of my games like, ever. Why would I trust a read that was formed by looking at three posts, even if made by town?

Even if we use any reads we can find when considering associations, I think associations is, quite frankly, a deeply flawed and unreliable strategy to try early in Day One.

In post 106, fua wrote:Greeting defensive tunneling, trying to grab an opportunistic thread with Geraint, and cracking under the pressure of a few votes reeks of scumminess.

I'd call it looking for holes in an argument being used against me. And that's supposedly scummy. Boo!

In post 108, butterchurn wrote:I don't really buy it. I've read all of Greeting's past games (he's the only one in this game that I've played with before) and he picks up votes for things like this as town very often, and his behavior seems pretty in character for how he is as town. I agree that his wording in that post is strange, but his wording is often strange, I don't think it's AI for him here. He has no scum games onsite, so I don't know how he'd play if that were the case, but to me this seems like much lower hanging fruit than geraintm. [snip]

bumping my response to you here, i didn't see an answer
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is his stalling a behavior that doesn't deviate from his towngames?
(also, what games are you using? this is probably more important than anything else)

In post 117, Greeting wrote:

In post 106, fua wrote:Greeting defensive tunneling, trying to grab an opportunistic thread with Geraint, and cracking under the pressure of a few votes reeks of scumminess.

You really think you're doing something here, don't you?

You have a very sunny and positive disposition. I like your style.

In post 116, Greeting wrote:

I'm actually quite critical of overreliance on meta, but it's better than nothing when starting to tackle the game Day One.

And, since I played with that user before, I have analysed their behaviour before so I'd notice if something is different right away.

And I'd argue that saying x is town because of two or three posts isn't very helpful. I've gotten absolutely no useful clues from these posts in any of my games like, ever. Why would I trust a read that was formed by looking at three posts, even if made by town?

Even if we use any reads we can find when considering associations, I think associations is, quite frankly, a deeply flawed and unreliable strategy to try early in Day One.

i agree! the majority of my argument however was "cape has a lot of experience offsite, and it's going to take a lot of work to achieve consistent results that are worth using in a game". the argument's pointless now, but it's that amount of experience that shows me that if they are a hard read inside of a game, looking at other games will be just as hard

i like gutreads because in forum, the only people who care are people with similar thought processes. kinda hard to convince someone that isn't "in on it", you're right
also cuz i'm pretty good at pegging town as long as i don't go off the deep end. kinda all

In post 119, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: greeting

This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

At least 2 scum on this flash wagon

right now I feel Hella Jeff,and ger..

This is not fua's scum game

In post 123, Scorpious wrote:This is E-2 btw and one of the worst wagons I've ever seen...

VOTE: Greeting
E-1