Open 857 Mason PT

[hutmeil]

tis almost definitely a shot for the masons. Not much we can do about it, just gotta keep playing the game.

Why would scum think gamma is mason? Who do you think scum think he's mason with?

[hutmeil]

Do you still stand with your andante read? I plan on voting her

[implosion]

Idk. I could be wrong tbh, I just said that because there were a decent number of people suspicious of Gamma so it'd be a slightly odd shot for scum to take if not aiming for masons. Our jobs as masons are to honestly give our reads and "lead" to the degree that we can since we know we're confirmed town, and to make sure none of us are ever at risk of being wagoned if possible, and to stay hidden. At this point there's not really any specific things we can do as masons IMO, I think our best bet is to just play the game normally.

My current thoughts are along these lines:

-Aristeia, I think is pretty probably town for her behavior today. She could theoretically be scum with Datisi but I don't think Datisi is wrong about his read on her if he's town.
-Datisi, I want to call town but he's an extremely good scum player (Aristeia is as well though).
-Andante, I really want to call town for the reasons I've mentioned but also the two kills do kinda point to her. But I doubt I'll ever personally really have her in my PoE.
-STD, I should re-evaluate at some point probably but really felt gut town to me.
-Enchant, I just explained my current thoughts in thread - I've played with Enchant-scum twice recently and they were both, tbh, really bad scum games. It's possible they're playing this game totally different but I really lean strongly town on recent play.
-Something_Smart, I should probably pressure in thread.
-fire, I feel like there's nothing he could do that would make me really truly townread him for some reason. His play just feels very... blase in some way. He's giving analysis, he's adapting his opinions, but something about it just feels weirdly flat. Idk.

[implosion]

If you wanna vote Andante, I think that's totally fine.

[hutmeil]

Thanks for the reads. I feel the same about Ari and Dats. They could be scum playing very well.

[hutmeil]

Dats wanted to vote on wagon. It was pages ago but I still remember. If we elim andante and she turns out town i think we have to focus on dats and ari.

[hutmeil]

I don't know, I'm getting a feeling Town wants us to lead somewhat?

[hutmeil]

Should I move on to fire?

[implosion]

I don't think you have to, Andante dying is fine in principle. I could easily be wrong about her. If you have conviction for her, I don't think you need to move off her.

We don't have to lead or even vote together. S_S is correct that our chief responsibility is not dying, with other responsibilities including not letting each other die and also, if possible, obscuring our connections in the case that one of us dies. But we have no responsibility to lead together when that would make it obvious who we are, especially in this game state where neither of us is under significant pressure.

(Of course more analysis is always good, but there's a difference between that and trying to lead the town)

[hutmeil]

Alright then thanks!

[hutmeil]

If one of us claims today that person should try to steer the wagon onto fire
I get a v strong sense his “scumhunting” is in actuality mason hunting

It is pretty remarkable that they nailed all 3 of us lol.

I don't think that necessarily means they're scum mason hunting though. Like if that was really fire-scum mason hunting I think they'd just post that in their scum PT and not in thread.

Fire nailed all 3 of us before. I think he knows we're mason and I get the sense he's protecting us because his POE is [andante, ss, enchant, himself]

[hutmeil]

Test

[hutmeil]

Great, andante is vt

[implosion]

I think datisi needs to be yeeted before game end.

[hutmeil]

I agree

[hutmeil]

Oh wait, so we push tomorrow?

[implosion]

Idk lol. I think the dynamics around something_smart are gonna dominate early discussion tomorrow.

[hutmeil]

Lol ok

[implosion]

Tomorrow will be 7p. It's not

unreasonable

for us to out tomorrow if we need to but like, if we're both alive and somehow both manage to make it to 5p that's like, super super good. I think there's a pretty strong chance one of us dies tonight though in which case it's all moot.

With only 2 scum alive it's not like they have like, a dominating amount of thread influence, so I don't think we need to out just to ensure that pushes are town-led. I do think we can push together without outing in principle.

[hutmeil]

Okay I'll follow your lead

[hutmeil]

Enchant knows too like fire

[hutmeil]

If one of us dies N4, what's the remaining Mason's play?

[hutmeil]

I forgot about Something_Smart existance, so prob it doesh't make sense.

Write him up in STD/Hutmail/implosion list and remake it as 2 Masons, 1 Mafia, 1 VT. Didn't really matter.

In Enchant's list, who do you think is the maf and vt? I'm thinking STD - maf, SS - VT

[implosion]

Yeah, that's my best guess right now too.

I have no interest at all in pushing STD

today

because I'm viably masons with him, so if there's a chance he gets shot as town, I'd like that to stay there.

If we lim town and one of us dies tonight, the other

probably

will need to just out tomorrow to simplify things at eLo. If we lim scum and one of us dies tonight, the other probably doesn't strictly need to out tomorrow.

Either way I think basically we have no need to out ourselves, either today or tomorrow unless either (1) it looks like we're gonna be limmed or (2) there's public consensus that the masons should out. I think (2) could happen tomorrow in theory and if it does I think it's fine to claim then.

[hutmeil]

Alright then!