Mini 683 - Intentionally Vague Mafia, Over


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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:39 pm

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RestFermata wrote:If MafiaMann doesn't talk, he'll be replaced eventually. It's conversation this game needs. There has been some conversation. If you want more, engage in it. What do you want MafiaMann to do, claim on page 4? I'm also suspicious of him, but I think it'll be to our advantage if we let him be replaced first. If we want replacements to be made, we will have to start discussion so there will be a difference between inactive and active players.

Bringing him to L-1 at this point bothers me. I feel that it's too soon, and too risky.

Unvote; Vote: Lord Gurgi


You're just holding the door wide open for a scum/idiot town quickhammer. Anti-freaking town.
Your eagerness to find another wagon tells me how frail your belief is in this wagon, and you're the main proponent of said wagon. Scummy. Think about it for a second. I explicitly said L-1, no scum would hammer D1 under those circumstances, and no town would either, anyone who would, deserves the following lynch. Now, try again, but with better logic.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:46 pm

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I didn't even vote for MafiaMann. I FoS'ed him. Think before you talk.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:21 pm

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RestFermata wrote:I didn't even vote for MafiaMann. I FoS'ed him. Think before you talk.
Did I
say
you voted him? Doesn't mean you can't be the proponent of a wagon, good try at maintaining innocence.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:30 pm

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I think it's BS to say I'm the main proponent of the wagon. I think it's significant that I didn't even think he was the most worthy of my vote. I want to know if his post/vote restriction really checks out, and if he's replaced I'll be interested in how his replacement treats it. I didn't call for a wagon--not that I'm against one, but I think it's prudent to wait until MafiaMann gets back before he's wagoned to the extreme.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:31 pm

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Something will happen tomorrow. Or not.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:37 pm

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umu...that last post seems to imply that deadline is tomorrow. I'm thinking an MM lynch is better than no lynch :S.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:41 pm

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Deadline so soon? I think the mod means something else.

Mod: please prod Mafiamann.
Maybe he meant that, but in case he didn't...

Okay, it's interesting to see the reactions to my "forgot my role" thing (it was not really a gambit, as it was true, but I did post it to see reactions). Most reactions to it were quite townie, whether they suspected me for it or not. But firestarter seemed very opportunistic, he saw someone doing something antitown (I don't think what I did was antitown though, of course I wouldn't deliberately forget my role to become unreadable or something) and put a vote on me. Actually, CF riot summed it up pretty well, and I agree with his post 94.

Lord Gurgi puts Mafiamann on L-1. He says it's L-1, but still I think it's too soon for the day to end. Mafiamann hasn't even had a chance to explain himself, and everybody considers him the best lynch. I don't.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:05 am

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That looks like deadline. Remember that this game is "Intentionally Vague." We don't have vote counts. Our Role PMs told us next to nothing. I'd expect an unexpected deadline. What else could it be? I don't think Mafiamann is a good lynch otherwise, but I'd vote him in case of a deadline.

Willing to hammer over a no lynch. Thoughts?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:20 am

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If it really is deadline, a MafiaMann lynch would probably be better than a no lynch, I agree. But I think Kmd shouldn't hammer. What if it really isn't deadline? And what the hell is wrong with letting MafiaMann get deadline lynched instead of hammering him?
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:40 am

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RestFermata wrote:If it really is deadline, a MafiaMann lynch would probably be better than a no lynch, I agree. But I think Kmd shouldn't hammer. What if it really isn't deadline? And what the hell is wrong with letting MafiaMann get deadline lynched instead of hammering him?
QFT, though you seem a bit frantic about a MM lynch.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:42 am

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I just feel it's too soon.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:44 am

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Scattered wrote:
RestFermata wrote:If it really is deadline, a MafiaMann lynch would probably be better than a no lynch, I agree. But I think Kmd shouldn't hammer. What if it really isn't deadline? And what the hell is wrong with letting MafiaMann get deadline lynched instead of hammering him?
QFT, though you seem a bit frantic about a MM lynch.
EBWOP: This is assuming of course that at the deadline, the one with majority votes will be lynched. Thats the usual for most games, right?
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:52 am

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Some games, the day ends in a no lynch with no majority. It is too soon if there is no deadline. If there is though, the day will end anyway. A no lynch is probably the worst thing we could do.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:04 am

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This
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made possible by
CF Riot
, and the contributions of voters like you.

MafiaMann (5) - Drake, Forbiddanlight, Sun Tzu, Scattered, LG
Sun Tzu (2) - Kmd, Riot
LG (1) - Restfermata
Firestarter (1) - Lawrencelot
Lawrencelot (1) - Firestarter

Non-voters: Rich, MafiaMann

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Scattered, why in post 95 did you agree with me that FS made a scum move, but didn't vote him? You weren't voting anyone at the moment. Your next vote was MafiaMann, who at that point went to L-2.

Lawrencelot, do you still suspect MafiaMann, and if LG had not put him at L-1 would you still be voting him? Would you vote him at deadline? Of the two, who do you suspect more: Firestarter or MafiaMann?

Mod: Prod/Replace Rich
. Hasn't posted yet all game.

For that reason, switching my vote to
Vote: Sun Tzu
for posting nothing at all then asking for the day to be over, while voting MafiaMann with no reason attached.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:44 am

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CF, according to your vote count, MafiaMann is at L-2, not L-1.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:48 am

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rules wrote:If we hit something, the someone with the most somethings will be something'd and all someones not wearing a seatbelt will be flung through the windshield. If there is a something, the someone who reached that number of somethings first is something'd.
I think it's safe to assume that, at deadline, the one with the most votes is lynched. I think this is the rule:

"If we hit deadline, the players with the most votes will be lynched and all players not wearing a seatbelt will be flung through the windshield (?). If there is a tie, the player who reached that number of votes first is lynched. "
CF wrote:Lawrencelot, do you still suspect MafiaMann, and if LG had not put him at L-1 would you still be voting him? Would you vote him at deadline? Of the two, who do you suspect more: Firestarter or MafiaMann?
I suspect Mafiamann since the start, but by far not enough to lynch him. If LG had not put him at L-1 I would not still be voting him, because Firestarter looks scummier now. I would only vote for Mafiamann at deadline if it makes a difference between lynch and no lynch, or if he becomes my top suspect of course.

Also, I am pretty sure there is at least 1 scum on Mafiamann's wagon, it doesn't look like a 100% town wagon. But I don't know who that would be.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:59 am

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Lawrence is right. The rules vaguely show that we won't have a no lynch. Keeping my vote on Sun Tzu for now then.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:04 am

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Something Count


Someone - (Some) (Some People)
Someone - (Some) (Some People)
Someone - (Some) (Some People)
Someone - (Some) (Some People)
Someone - (Some) (Some People)
Someone - (Some) (Some People)

Please pay something to the newly added something #11.

MafiaMann and Rich will be something'd.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:07 am

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Rule 11:
JDodge wrote:11. I will not something someone unless someone asks. It will be some people's responsibility to keep this something doing something.
Maybe this means we have to request prods, and it's our responsibility to keep this game moving? Seems consistent with:
JDodge wrote:MafiaMann and Rich will be something'd.
But it's possible he means "replaced"...
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:15 am

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CF Riot wrote:
Firestarter wrote:in the interests of getting this day started, and for the simple fact that the mod specifically mentioned that this game would start when ALL players picked up their PM, Im gonna...

UNVOTE..
VOTE: Lawrencelot

BW time folks!!
Opportunistic, hoping a lot of people will hop onto a wagon based on anti-town rather than scummy play. Gives a disclaimer to shuck responsibility for his vote, "getting the day started." Scum move.

FoS: Firestarter.
LOL....

It worked ;)

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Anywhooo... for reasons expressed beforehand...

Unvote:
Vote: MafiaMann/
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:16 am

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EBWOP

Oooops!!!

UNVOTE...
VOTE: MafiaMann


Thats better...
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:35 am

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CF Riot wrote:This
Vote Count
made possible by
CF Riot
, and the contributions of voters like you.

MafiaMann (5) - Drake, Forbiddanlight, Sun Tzu, Scattered, LG
Sun Tzu (2) - Kmd, Riot
LG (1) - Restfermata
Firestarter (1) - Lawrencelot
Lawrencelot (1) - Firestarter

Non-voters: Rich, MafiaMann

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Scattered, why in post 95 did you agree with me that FS made a scum move, but didn't vote him? You weren't voting anyone at the moment. Your next vote was MafiaMann, who at that point went to L-2.

Lawrencelot, do you still suspect MafiaMann, and if LG had not put him at L-1 would you still be voting him? Would you vote him at deadline? Of the two, who do you suspect more: Firestarter or MafiaMann?

Mod: Prod/Replace Rich
. Hasn't posted yet all game.

For that reason, switching my vote to
Vote: Sun Tzu
for posting nothing at all then asking for the day to be over, while voting MafiaMann with no reason attached.
I didn't think it was enough to warrant a vote to be honest. I believed a IGMEOY was enough in that case. And I think my vote on MM was well reasoned, wasn't it?
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:39 am

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Firestarter wrote: LOL....

It worked ;)
Mind explaining what worked?

As all I see is anti-town behaviour.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:21 pm

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CF Riot wrote:
Vote: Sun Tzu
for posting nothing at all then asking for the day to be over, while voting MafiaMann with no reason attached.
What is there to post on day 1 when we know nothing?

You're voting me for not pretending to have something to say?
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:46 pm

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RestFermata wrote:I think it's BS to say I'm the main proponent of the wagon. I think it's significant that I didn't even think he was the most worthy of my vote. I want to know if his post/vote restriction really checks out, and if he's replaced I'll be interested in how his replacement treats it. I didn't call for a wagon--not that I'm against one, but I think it's prudent to wait until MafiaMann gets back before he's wagoned to the extreme.
A good post amidst a sea of iffy ones, especially from Gurgi.
Lord Gurgi wrote:Your eagerness to find another wagon tells me how frail your belief is in this wagon,
and you're the main proponent of said wagon.
Scummy. Think about it for a second.
I explicitly said L-1, no scum would hammer D1 under those circumstances, and no town would either, anyone who would, deserves the following lynch.
Now, try again, but with better logic.
Misrep? Check. Intimation of chaining lynches? Check. By
your own logic[/b], a quick hammer on MafiaMann is a "good thing" because it "moves the day along," or something. There's really no difference between L-1 and L-2 for the purposes of pressuring somebody to tell us what he meant, and your seeming unwillingness to concede that discussion could continue on other players without putting a hardcore lurker at L-1 before any sort of deadline was even hinted at strikes me as anti-town.

Unvote, Vote: Lord Gurgi
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Scattered wrote:QFT, though you seem a bit frantic about a MM lynch.
Hahaha, very nice. You either agree with it or you find some part of it noteworthy, not both.
Sun Tzu wrote:What is there to post on day 1 when we know nothing?

You're voting me for not pretending to have something to say?
Well, I mean I guess you could go ahead an do some analysis, but then you might actually be *gasp* playing.

He's voting you for trying to end the day as early as possible and not giving your reasons for your vote beyond that, which is - to be fair - only what he said when he voted for you.
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