Kids in the Hall Mafia - Game Over, Daves are Supreme

[vollkan]

I didn't vote for Umbrage because he didn't have the highest score. Umbrage had 5 points, but that was the extent to which I considered him to be scummy.

Whereabouts did Umbrage rank in relation to everyone else yesterday? I find it weird that you think that bit of rolefishing was the only scummy thing he did all game.

I really don't have time to do up the proper score table right now, but at the end of yesterday my scores were:

IS: 57
Umbrage: 55
EK: 55
Lurconis: 55
VPB: 55
Everyone else: 50

[Internet Stranger]

Oh Vollkan that is so god damn weak. You are such scum.

Its already been pointed out that you arbitrarily assign these points to suit your needs just so you can use it as an excuse like you are now.

"But IS has the most points!"

Yes, the most points you manipulated yourself, giving me "bonuses" of +7 while Umbrage (confirmed scum) was getting +5's. You're always scum when you're so blatant with this manipulative point system bullshit. Even the ladies should have seen enough by now. You need to hang, scum.

[VP Baltar]

So Umbrage was the second highest person on your scumlist in a way (lolI'm as scummy as umbrage was), but you thought he wasn't vote worthy. I don't get that. You never compromise on your suspects?

[vollkan]

Yes, the most points you manipulated yourself, giving me "bonuses" of +7 while Umbrage (confirmed scum) was getting +5's. You're always scum when you're so blatant with this manipulative point system bullshit. Even the ladies should have seen enough by now. You need to hang, scum.

I've already explained why yours merited more points than Umbrage's.

So Umbrage was the second highest person on your scumlist in a way (lolI'm as scummy as umbrage was), but you thought he wasn't vote worthy. I don't get that. You never compromise on your suspects?

Basically, no - unless there are extreme circumstances. To quote a disclaimer I often post: "Absent claims, need for deadline compromises, etc. I will always vote the person with the highest score."

The whole point of my points system is (for a range of reasons that I won't go into because it will only lead to a theory debate) to explicitly and inextricably link my voting behaviour to particular scumtells (as expressed through the points). Whilst some flexibility is needed for extreme cases, the system loses its necessary element of constituting a form of pre-commitment if its operation becomes subject to my own discretion.

[Porochaz]

hi.

Don't be silly. I'm not scum. Today is Friday. Which means that possibly today and definitely tomorrow I end this slot's alleged lurking.

Based on the questionnaire answers I'd say imaginality is scum because he answered in the exact same format as Untrod. So did Umbrage and I thought he was scum for it before I read the list of dead. And it's likely that two scum would do the same thing here because it's unconscious.

I'm on to page 6. Only thing on my schedule tomorrow is vegging out on the couch. Which means reading. Or Halo. Hopefully reading.

scooby's a bit of a hypocrite. Talking about people trying hard so they look good when he's more srs bznz than anyone else on that page. I don't think it's a mistake decent scum would make though and Umbrage's post after it leads to believe even more that he's probably not scum.
Vollkan looks town to me. Last time I played with him he was scum and all he was doing was asking questions that went nowhere. This time he's actually looking like he's trying to make use of information.
Not that it's mandatory to explain every read, especially town reads, but imaginality had an unexplained town read on Umbrage. 188's gonna be a really useful post. Of course, a lot of people called Umbrage town at that point. Which is weird.

Up to page 11.

You are starting to take the piss.

[VP Baltar]

The whole point of my points system is (for a range of reasons that I won't go into because it will only lead to a theory debate) to explicitly and inextricably link my voting behaviour to particular scumtells (as expressed through the points). Whilst some flexibility is needed for extreme cases, the system loses its necessary element of constituting a form of pre-commitment if its operation becomes subject to my own discretion.

Then your discretion is bad. Umbrage was about as scummy as could be yesterday. I really fail to see how you were ranking him in the same class as myself or even less than IS after awhile. I can completely understand having different reads and giving people the benefit of the doubt, but unless you had blinders on (like SpyreX was doing after awhile), voting him should have been an easy choice in your arbitrary system open to your discretion.

Unvote, Vote: vollkan

[DrippingGoofball]

I couldn't name a suspect of DGB's or EK's other than IS right now, probably because of their noise-to-commonsense ratios. Likewise with IS--I know he suspects vollkan and enjoys barbing the ladies, but that's about all that comes to mind. Sure, we can reread their posts more carefully to see who else they suspect, but keep in mind that if one or more are scum, their goal is to obfuscate, and that's what all three are doing. I have them as leaning town, but not strongly.

WTF??? Are you reading the game? Are you scum?

If anyone wins on the noise-to-commonsense ratio, it's IS - and elvis who I'm sorry to say, keeps taking the bait and answering to IS's scum provocation. Don't lump me in there just because I happen to be vocal that IS is scum. That's, you know, because he's scum. My goal isn't to frikkin obsfuscate. That's IS's objective. I forgive him, he's obfuscating and baiting and completely irrational, but it's in furtherance of his scum wincon.

Here is a reminder of my reads, since you happen to have missed them:

Phew, glad to be alive, I made a lot of notes during the night not being sure I'd ever have the chance to post them in the thread, but I figured I could post the notes in the dead QT. Yesterday was soooo revealing. One of the most revealing days I've ever seen.

Why? Because of the particularities of a scum needing 2/3 majority lynch. Scum knew this. And they betrayed this in their behavior.

KIDS IN THE HALL

All these players are now behaviorally confirmed:

DrippingGoofball
elvis_knits
scooby - confirmed "I'm 99% sure this is Umbrage scum trying to play the DERPFATE card."
Porochaz
vollkan
VP Baltar - confirmed for suggesting an Umbrage

modkill

, you don't do that to your nearly unlynchable buddy.
Amrun
imaginality
Untrod Tripod
Lurconis

WORMS AND BUGS AND GRIT

Still not sure about this guy.

Medicated Lain

SCUM CANDIDATES

Lord Gurgi

- "Proxy Vote: IS"

Mysterio/evilpacman

- Lurkerscum? Nothing to exonerate them during the epic Umbrage lynch.

***Umbrage***

-

score!!!!!!!!

Internet Stranger

- 100% scum

Mist Beauty

MrBuddyLee

(voted Umbrage post-lynch, has done nothing at all, all game)

CALCULATIONS

Lord Gurgi:

"Proxy Vote: IS" - Lord Gurgi has been a slippery eel, however, his proxying vote to a scum is a mitigating factor. Who would proxy their vote to their buddy????

SpyreX:

Did little but distract with aborted wagons of the future.

"VP why you take your good vote away and replace it with a bad vote [Umbrage]?"

- Then SpyreX votes me when we're working on over-lynching Umbrage. That is extraoridinarily bad.
ALTHOUGH:

"If that requires freaking everyone to do this so it can be done FINE."

- His firm commitment to the lynch plan, combined with his expressed frustration, is a mitigating factor.

===================================

IS:

"DBG, oh look opportunistic Umbrage vote to start the day. Great!"

- when I was perfectly CORRECT that Umbrage & Co had killed Kison because Kison was a mega-double voting threat to Kison which could have been VERY problematic in endgame.

"You completely ignored my very awesome points of your attacks on Umbrage"

"If you can get past all the lunacy, Umbrage actually has a point."

And for those that think in-your-face rolefishing is too-scummy-for-scum, remember Umbrage:

"DGB: explain what the omelettes do now. I'm not rolefishing."

And then:

"Meta arguments do not work on Umbrage. Im unsure if he is scum just because of the raging though. Whats the argument on him anyways?"

I've counted

EIGHT posts where IS tries to divert the Umbrage wagon onto vollkan

, SIX of which were

urgent

appeals while Umbrage was in dire jeopardy.

=====================================

Mist Beauty:

"Is there really a point to testing this? I can't think of any reasons a player would post it unless it were true."

When MistBeauty put Umbrage at L+1, with a Princess role speculation, she knew he wouldn't be lynched, because she switched to Lord Gurgi.

MrBuddyLee:

Voted Umbrage post-lynch, has done nothing at all, all game.

IN ORDER OF SCUMMINESS

IS/MistBeauty
Mysterio/evilpacman (not sure where to fit this lurker, so smack in the middle of the pack)
SpyreX
Lord Gurgi
MBL - seems to be genuinely not following, but none of his behavior yesterday puts him in the town category.

[DrippingGoofball]

Unvote, Vote: vollkan

When was vollkan ever not lynched because of his weirdo points system?

IS wanted to save Umbrage and divert his lynch towards vollkan. Iso IS. Please, iso IS. I know it's painful. Just look at the Umbrage lynch.

VP, you're better than this. Don't vote with the scum.

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In other news, I have really bad feelings for MBL this morning. I mean, I often do, because of his seemingly scumhunting-less lines of questioning, but I'm seeing a lot of pissing-away-time and waiting-in-the-wings before making a move. Like voting Umbrage a little too late.

[shaft.ed]

Daydreaming about a disabling but non-crippling injury Vote Count

vollkan

(5) Internet Stranger, Porochaz, scooby, Medicated Lain, VP Baltar

Internet Stranger

(4) vollkan, DrippingGoofball, Untrod Tripod, elvis_knits

Mist Beauty

(2) Lurconis, Lord Gurgi

Lord Gurgi

(1) SpyreX

elvis_knits

(1) ZeekLTK


Not Voting: MrBuddyLee, evilpacman18, Mist Beauty

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 8 to No Lynch

[ZeekLTK]

Ok, I finished reading last night...

unvote

VOTE: DGB

Why the vote? Because: Where's the egg?

I highly doubt the egg "does nothing" as elvis claims, so obviously there is a purpose. What is it's purpose? My best guess at the moment is that you eat it: you join the chicken lady's cult. You don't eat it: you piss off the cult and they kill you.

If the egg REALLY WAS NOT THREATENING TO THE TOWN... then

why hasn't DGB told us who she gave it to last night? And/or why has no one claimed that they received it?

Because it's anti-town.

So here's what we need to do.

We need to kill DGB right now

. If she is a cult recruiter, then we seriously fuck the cult's day up. Right now they have 3 members: DGB, elvis, and [to be determined]. If we kill DGB today, that's it... the cult doesn't grow, we know half of the remaining members (again: elvis), they are a non-threat to the town for the rest of the game.

If we DON'T kill DGB today, she recruits someone else at night. Instead of having 3/16 members like they do now, they'll have 4/14 or even 4/13 members (assuming we lynch someone + 1-2 nightkills). Then, not only do they have another unidentified person, they also have a larger percentage of the town. If we wait another day, they'll have 5 out of anywhere from 10-12 remaining players (again, pending nightkills). Oh, guess what, at 5/10 they fucking win

AND WE LOSE

. The longer we wait, the harder it gets to destroy the cult, and we could lose as early as

NIGHT 4

.

And, if a cult doesn't exist... if we kill her and there is no indication of the cult, then that's still good too. Because then at least we don't have someone sending mysteriously unexplained eggs to people every night.

I played on here a few years ago, stopped for a while, but got the mafia-itch so I came back recently and I re-read all my old games plus a handful of others just to "get back into it". One of the MAIN THINGS that I noticed while re-reading all those old games was that townies CONSTANTLY got fucked over by not taking action against claims they didn't understand.

Constantly.

There are so many games out there where someone claimed something that didn't make sense (like passing out eggs at night!!!), but they convinced everyone that it's NOT MAFIA (usually it's not) so the townies stupidly just ignored it until finally they lost at the end of the game because, oh, guess what, that weird role they didn't understand actually had a few extra caveats that wasn't claimed and then they were completely fucked because they didn't deal with it when it first came up.

Since I'm town in this game, I'm NOT going to let that happen here. That fucking egg does SOMETHING and most likely it's NOT GOOD for the TOWN.

IS, I liked your enthusiasm in attacking DGB earlier so please join me in getting rid of this chicken lady. SpyreX, it would be great if you would too, since you're town (or at least it's my understanding that you just claimed Mason). Anyone else who's pro-town should also join us. Hell, even if you are scum, join us in voting DGB for today because it would also do you well to destroy a possible cult before they take over.

As for who is mafia, I do agree that it's likely that volkan is due to the non-interaction with the main focal point of yesterday, scUmbrage, and his stupid point system he keeps referencing, but I would much rather take care of third party threats right now than scum. We can lynch scum any day, we can't always kill the cult recruiter before too many people are recruited.

*Another thought: why was there only one nightkill last night instead of two? There is no way that BOTH killing parties targeted Amrun (he didn't seem to stand out much during the day). What happened, IMO, was that one of the killers targeted DGB because they thought something was up with the eggs as well, but the kill failed. But of course scum aren't going to claim that they tried to kill her, because then it outs them, so no one has said anything. But I mean, a

bulletproof recruiter

makes sense. Even if it's X-shot, that would ensure that the cult had enough time to pick up a decent amount of members, and all they would have to do is not get lynched... which is probably why they had elvis claim so early, to try to buy enough time so that when suspicion finally did come back to DGB, it would be way later in the game and the cult would be too big to mess with by then.

We have to get rid of her NOW!

[VP Baltar]

lulz

[scooby]

That was a refreshing post.

This is what I think:

- I really like REALLY doubt elvisrecruitedscum would come up so adamant and use the cult mechanic to clear her cult recruiter when she was at L-8.

- Vollkan needs to die asap.

- I still mantain IS is dumb town.

[scooby]

Daydreaming about a disabling but non-crippling injury Vote Count

vollkan

(5) Internet Stranger, Porochaz, scooby, Medicated Lain, VP Baltar

Internet Stranger

(4) vollkan, DrippingGoofball, Untrod Tripod, elvis_knits

Mist Beauty

(2) Lurconis, Lord Gurgi

Lord Gurgi

(1) SpyreX

elvis_knits

(1) ZeekLTK


Not Voting: MrBuddyLee, evilpacman18, Mist Beauty

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 8 to No Lynch

How can there be people not voting?
Lurconis, LG, Spyrex and ZeekLTK, do you think volkan and/or IS are town?

[VP Baltar]

IS wanted to save Umbrage and divert his lynch towards vollkan. Iso IS. Please, iso IS. I know it's painful. Just look at the Umbrage lynch.

IS was one of the first people to say Umbrage needed L+X votes to die. Even if he was derping about vollkan at the time from obv-scumbrage, he wouldn't have given that info up if he was scumbuddies with him. I can definitely see the scum team as Umbrage, vollkan, Mist Beauty, XXXX (I have an idea I'm not revealing right now), plus a lurker. I'd much rather see the vollkan flip first.

[ZeekLTK]

I think vollkan could be scum with Umbrage... I don't think IS is scum with Umbrage BUT IS could be a SK or something... as I said about in the "why 1, not 2, nightkills" - someone probably tried to kill DGB and it failed. It would make sense that IS tried to kill DGB and that was why he came so hard after her/elvis today.

I still think DGB is more dangerous though. She can pass out eggs, might be bulletproof, might be cult recruiter... who knows. It doesn't sound pro-town.

[Lurconis]

@scooby I think both are suspicious volkan more so

-phone

[scooby]

@scooby I think both are suspicious volkan more so

-phone

If you think they are both suspiciosu then why not vote any of them? Do you think the MistBeauty wagon can get more momentum?

Also, just realized Zdenk is replacing imaginality.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

[scooby]

*ZeekLTK

[MrBuddyLee]

words

Hey Zeek,

After we get rid of DGB, let's also kill off the terrier. We probably should have killed off the Dave Counter too when he softclaimed without explaining his role.

Oh wait, no, those are all terrible ideas.

Based on people's suspicions alone, who do you want to lynch? Who is protecting scum and attacking townies with manipulative logic? Was DGB's push on Umbrage yesterday busing?

@vollkan

,
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=725

Well, he isnt dead. Now im REALLY curious as to whats going on with him.

Do you want to wait for lurkers to pile on the votes

and see if he just needs something like Lynch+2 votes?

I find this likely and

I see no possible downside to testing this out

. Maybe he has one protection from lynch. Maybe it's supermajority. Maybe it's unlynchable. Maybe he's scum and his buddies can cast fake votes on him. The point is it could be a lot of things and getting to one majority on him then throwing our hands up in the air because he's all "ooh I got voodoo powah but I can't tell you whaaaaaaat" would be really bad for us. Especially because Umbrage is really coming off to me as 3rd party or scum, I don't think we should just let this go and be like "oh, ok, he can't be lynched, cool. let's go home and masturbate"

WE CAN BEAT THIS WITH SCIENCE.

omg, I actually agree with everything UT just said.

Pile the fucking votes on Umbrage

until he's dead. A scum with a slightly raised lynch threshold sure would be a nice counter balance to a townie double voter in a lylo situation. His little third party plea is just icing on the cake. Why would you even say something like that if you're a townie? (hint: you wouldn't)

This lynch wagon needs more hammahs.

scooby please put your vote back on

for now. Thanks

I really don't see how being unlynchable ensures someone is town. It doesn't make them scum either I see it as more of a null.

Noone cares at the moment. Please vote umbrage instead.

Fine with testing this.

VOTE: Umbrage

Ok I'm fine with testing

Guess it doesn't hurt

.

Vote: Umbrage

.

At that point, vollkan, you posted three times in a few hours and ignored the topic of the Umbrage pile entirely, even though

seven(7)

players brought it to light.

Prozac even added:

I'll be honest here, Im voting vollkan if Umbrage doesn't get lynched today.

But in your posts you totally ignored the Umbragepile and voted IS for 7 scumpoints and gave Umbrage 5 scumpoints for the same offense--rolefishing.

In my post http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3425212 that came too late to score me any town cred, I pointed out that this was a no-brainer play that cost us townies nothing. Pile the votes on Umbrage, and if he's telling the truth, nothing bad happens. I am stumped as to why a smart guy like yourself wouldn't see that logic as well, particularly after four or five other players saw that logic and made it evident.

@Spyrex

, why did you clear DGB but not UT after yesterday's flip?

@DGB

, I like your suspicions for the most part. I don't agree much with the strong IS push, or with your imaginality/Lurconis/vollkan reads. And I just reread your posts, and indeed, you've been above the IS-EK fray. Somehow, they managed to drag you in it in my mind. Bleh.

[scooby]

MrBuddyLee, who is your top suspect and why are you no voting?

[Lurconis]

Mist is my scum read I am most confident in at this time. Volkan is closing in with each post though. Dont see how his claim that he didn't poat about the umbrage situation because he was just replying to questions asked is valid. Why ignore the current situation?

@Zeek why would you assume bulletproof cult recruiter was a target as opposed to a goalkeeper or doctor type role succeeding?

-phone

[Lurconis]

Ebwop goalkeeper should be jailjeeper

[MrBuddyLee]

I would much rather take care of third party threats right now than scum. We can lynch scum any day, we can't always kill the cult recruiter before too many people are recruited.

Haha, holy shit son. Do you have any legitimate reason to believe DGB is a cult recruiter besides the fact that she shits eggs?

Also, why does Spyrex being a pissing mason make him town?

@scoob

, vollkan is my top suspect. I'm not voting because I want to see how the IS/vollkan wagons develop at these relative strengths. I've made my case on both wagons clear.

[Internet Stranger]

There must be a reason why no one else has claimed to have received an egg.
There must be a reason why DBG refuses to say where her egg went today.
There must be a reason why DBG is pseudo-defending Vollkan so adamantly.
There must be a reason why Elvis (who ate an egg) is so gung ho about NOT voting Vollkan, as her master is surely commanding: "I think Vollkan is scum, but lets lynch IS anyways!"

Despite all of that and as much as I would love to chase the conspiracy theory of DBG being a cult recruiter, I think the better play is to lynch obvScum Vollkan. Thats a scum on a silver platter for us.

I think we can deal with DBG and her minions tomorrow, unless another obvScum pops up for us.

[ZeekLTK]

So I did what elvis claimed she did... googled "omelette kids in the hall"... and indeed "Chicken Lady" came up.

However, I'd like to quote a passage from the link that came up:

The first fully featured sketch featuring the Chicken Lady centered on her blind date with an unsuspecting young man (played by Dave Foley) who comes to meet her at her apartment. Although clearly repulsed by her appearance and mannerisms, he is initially compelled to stay. However he finally flees in horror when she feeds him an omelette made from an egg she herself laid.

However he finally flees in horror when she feeds him an omelette made from an egg she herself laid.

FLEES IN HORROR - how, exactly, does that sound good for the town again?