Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

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Sal, that just seems like poor reasoning. Even if we could and did quarantine you again, it wouldn't clear you of being roleblocker unless Trollie is town, still alive tomorrow, and the scum decide to roleblock him tonight instead of electing not to roleblock to frame you.

This seems like quite a stretch, and not a good use of town resources compared to jailing Mala. If Mala is town, I'm pretty sure you're scum. If BK is town, I'm certain you are scum. This just looks too much like you trying to make sure Mala is available for the NK which is something scum would want if she is town.

I'll come back to this later, though. I'm not risking a third unrelated vote until we've dealt both with Vis/Espe and BK+Mala/Trollie.

[RichardGHP]

Third Vote Count of Day 4

Lynch

[1] VisMaior - [Espeonage]
[1] Espeonage - [VisMaior]
[2] TheTrollie - [BK201, Malakittens]
[1] BK201 - [TheTrollie]

[2] Not Voting - [Salamence20, image]

Quarantine

[1] Espeonage - [Espeonage]

[4] Malakittens - [VisMaior, BK201, image, Malakittens]

[2] Not Voting - [Salamence20, TheTrollie]

Malakittens has been quarantined. No further quarantine votes today will be acknowledged.

With 7 alive, it takes four votes to lynch. Deadline for this day is in (expired on 2012-08-05 16:20:00).

[VisMaior]

I have a townread on image and a scumread on Sal. So now I believe in an espe/trollie/sal team. Ill wait for Espe to post before voting.

unvote

[Espeonage]

Unquarantine

[Malakittens]

mala is clear scum so BK is scum too.
I am the one who said Sal may not he RB bc he quarantined himself.

intent to vote mala

Alright below is Trollie explaining to us there is a RB'er. Most of the posts are related to Sal due to the Quarantined state and Trollie being "blocked" on N1&2, but not on N3.

oh, sorry, didnt mean to quote those, but while i did:

sooo...is that you saying you are the scum RB?

I also believe the probability is high of Sal being the mafia RB. After i correctly guessed the NK twice, and revealed my role, it would make no sense for the mafia RB to not target me last night. I'm pretty sure a RB on BK is pointless because (a) he claimed he would not be hiding last night (b) I don't think he can be targeted by the RB if he does hide and (c) even if he can be RB'd, scum would chose not to RB him since if he hid behind scum it was game-over. Unless they know of someone else with a power role they wanted to block, i dont see them making the decision to block anyone else but me. I am fairly certain they did not block me though, because my result was different than the first two nights, and the first two nights I was definitely the RB target because i got no result on an NK. I also believe to not have been targeted last night because it seems that my power did work, rather than a no result, i was told that i had not seen someone target image.

I still think the phil slot is town, and therefore vis is town.

EVERYBODY: no one has commented on my analysis in 961. the quarantining points to sal as mafia RB but if sal is mafia RB why would he have cared so much about quarantining himself? He could have easily just accepted that it was twilight and that he escaped quarantine.

Players kept telling Trollie that Sal couldn't necessarily be the RB'er because of the begging of the mod to self-quarantine during N3. If Sal is indeed scum he could have done the self-quarantine beg to look more town, but I personally don't think a scum would take that approach. I'm leaning on town read on Sal.

I think Scum Trollie was trying to push the idea through the town as Sal being the RB'er, but it backfired on him. Which is leaving him to point fingers at other players.

[VisMaior]

OK so if trollie was town, scum could have voted him by now, seeing as he has 2 town voting him.

vote trollie

[TheTrollie]

this must be a joke

[VisMaior]

unvote

I need to think...

[Espeonage]

OK. Everyone's time argument is invalid. Every single combination of three people has had the opportunity to get the lynch happening. At least one of Vis and Myself is scum. We can work out if the people voting trollie or trollie are scum tomorrow.

Everyone make a decision on the vis/me thing and lets just stop this terrible excuse for a day.

[VisMaior]

Every single combination of three people has had the opportunity to get the lynch happening.

Sooo... you saying trollie must be scum? Why no vote then?

[TheTrollie]

thank you vis

[TheTrollie]

and no l, espe, I am not voting with 50% accuracy when I know mala (and bk) are scum

[Salamence20]

Vote: Vis

This is who I am voting for.

One person on the Mala Quar. Wagon is atleast scum.

Trollie. Mention me as a RB one more time...

[TheTrollie]

mala is either very dumb or very scum. her arguments are missing huge chunks, and she is being unclear.

for example she quotes those three posts as the ones in which i argue there is a mafia RB, and that i focus on sal. NO THEY AREN'T. those are the posts i talk about sal, there are tons of other posts throughout the game from me that talk about why there is an RB.

Moreover, town trollie wants to figure out sal's alignment too. Mala's argument is 100% WIFOM

P-edit: sal stfu

[TheTrollie]

OK so if trollie was town, scum could have voted him by now, seeing as he has 2 town voting him.

vote trollie

WILL YOU STOP ASSUMING THAT BK AND MALA ARE TOWN?!!?! how many times do i have to tell you this.

SCUM #3

[Salamence20]

Assuming from last time I was in 3-2 Lylo, Im sure Espe and Trollie are town for now.

If Vis is scum, chances are we may have to Lynch BK

[VisMaior]

Vis, you said you could semi-clear BK. Care to explain?

OK claim time I guess.
Phil tracked him N1. He was going for guille.
N2 Phil was quarantined
N3 I chose espe over trollie, which was a mistake, in hindsight.

[VisMaior]

Re trollie: I did a bit of setup speculation here.

Pro trollscum: he went for the nks twice, and claimed a different result only when we went into lylo. he did survive despite beeing claimed.
Con: 2 investigative roles is too much if no scum PR, thus a scum RB might exist. Leaving him alive is good scum tactic going into lylo, if truly RBd twice.

Image is the other one who could be town. I cant pinpoint anything scummy in his posts. Sal/Espe/trollie have the same amount of nervous urge to lynch, while Image seems to calmly contemplate.

[VisMaior]

vote trollie

here is hoping this is the right choice.

[VisMaior]

unvote

On second tought id like to hear from Image first.

[TheTrollie]

Guile: This question may be from left field, and you can choose to completely ignore me if need be, but: Did your ability (if you have one) function properly N1?

It is possible, depending on the answer, that I can clear or condemn certain players, which would make thing earlier. However, if you feel it's too close to rolefishing, then feel free to ignore me. (There is no sarcasm there, just to be clear)

so you are saying that Phil thought maybe BK was roleblocker, and that if guile's power didnt work that confirmed it?

Vis, you said you could semi-clear BK. Care to explain?

OK claim time I guess.
Phil tracked him N1. He was going for guille.
N2 Phil was quarantined
N3 I chose espe over trollie, which was a mistake, in hindsight.

so you tracked someone who was claiming VT over someone who was claiming a PR? forget about hindsight, that was a bad move from the beginning

[image]

Phil was clearly planning that claim on Day 3. That doesn't mean that it's legit, and it could easily be something he informed the rest of the mafia of and which Vis picked up from the scum chat. However, for the moment I'm tempted to believe it pending better explanation from Vis of why he tracked Espeonage.

Tracking Espeonage also wasn't necessarily a bad move, and I can think of good reasons for doing it. I'd like to hear Vis explain his reasoning, though, before I put words in his mouth.

If Vis is town and doesn't get quicklynched, it means that both Espeonage and Sal are scum. Then Mala and BK cannot both be scum, so Trollie cannot be town. Thus the scum are Espeonage/Sal/Trollie.

If Trollie is town, BK and Mala must be scum. This means that Espeonage and Sal cannot both be scum, so Vis must be scum. In this case, the scum are BK/Mala/Vis.

Vis and Trollie cannot both be town but might both be scum.

[Salamence20]

Image, what do you think is true?

[image]

Depends on what Vis says. I'm prepared to believe his claim, which makes the scum you, Espeonage, and Trollie. However, I'm not willing to believe it yet, so I want to ask him a bit more first, mostly about his reasoning for tracking Espeonage. It doesn't help that while his claim makes sense, his play hasn't been particularly clean.

On the other hand, it doesn't really seem like there was much for Phil to gain for the risk of him setting himself up like that back on D3. He wasn't really in a spot where he would have had to claim.

But it allowed him to clear BK later. BK was under pressure late on Day 2 and made a soft claim. Start of Day 3, Phil starts a long play of backing him up. Looks like something got cooked up on N2 to keep BK alive.

Well, I've talked myself into it. Here goes nothing.

Vote: VisMaior

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[TheTrollie]

bk is hider, clears two ppl and has a tracker confirm. exactly what happened in his open game he pointed out. he knows hider is a good claim because it explains not being targeted.

if mala is scum, so is BK
if bk is scum so are mala and vis

if vis is scum he could be setting bk up though
mala is scum as per everything that has and her HORRIBLE vote on me. that's our lynch today

note the votes. I haven't been lynched yet because both people on my wagon are scum. no hasn't been lynched yet because he is scum. same with vis I guess. let's win this