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Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:47 am

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Ryan, what about your day one play? I refer to the way you kept asking questions without giving any input yourself. Do you deny that this is scummy as well?
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Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:47 am

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How is questioning possible suspects scummy?
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Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:58 am

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ryan wrote:Yes I know Para, you have logic, you are town, we are all scum, yada yada yada.
The only player I think is scum, atm, is you ryan. Your caricaturization of my opinion was quite amusing though. Do you think I'm asking you too many questions? I mean you haven't even bothered to answer some of them.
ryan wrote:How is questioning possible suspects scummy?
I'm talking about active lurking. Should I be convinced that you were actually scumhunting because you asked a ton of questions without reaching conclusions when you got the answers?
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Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:03 am

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WHAT haven't I answered Para? Show me a question you asked that I have failed to answer!
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Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:03 am

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While I'm at it, a few things from my notes on Para.


1. Boldly said you would NOT name your suspects on Day 1 (Page 9 is where it starts if you’d like to refresh) The rest of us stated we had no problem naming, you, for whatever reason said you would not

2. Your vote in 301 on Twomz was quote “Because the game is too slow” And you rip me for my reasons on voting somebody? WOW, how about this gem? And than you FoS me for basically ripping your vote

3. Looking back through post 314 is of interest to me
SirWario wrote:Para's vote on Twomz was long overdue. He's been suspecting him the whole game. Its no suprise he voted.

Para, it's about time you showed some conviction.
I don’t like this exchange and although Sir Wario IS on Para’s wagon right now, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see him skip off the wagon and onto somebody else before we hit deadline. Would you like me to keep going Para? Or is this evidence crap too?
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Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:08 am

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ryan wrote:WHAT haven't I answered Para? Show me a question you asked that I have failed to answer!
Paradoxombie in 998 wrote:
So you don't think it's scummy to change votes without presenting reasoning or logic?

You don't think it's scummy to vote to see "where a wagon goes"?

You think simply saying that there are reasons should be enough to bandwagon at the end of the day?

I don't think it's particularly scummy to change playstyles, but the only change I've seen just happens to be at the ideal moment to lynch town. You deny that this is scummy as well?
Paradoxombie in 1002 wrote: Do you think I'm asking you too many questions?

Should I be convinced that you were actually scumhunting because you asked a ton of questions without reaching conclusions when you got the answers?
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Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:15 am

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Oh for Christ sakes Para if you want me to answer each one point by point instead of in general as I have just say so.
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Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:25 am

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ryan wrote:Oh for Christ sakes Para if you want me to answer each one point by point instead of in general as I have just say so.
Please. But I don't think it's unusual to expect answers to questions automatically. Is it?
ryan wrote:While I'm at it, a few things from my notes on Para.


1. Boldly said you would NOT name your suspects on Day 1 (Page 9 is where it starts if you’d like to refresh) The rest of us stated we had no problem naming, you, for whatever reason said you would not

2. Your vote in 301 on Twomz was quote “Because the game is too slow” And you rip me for my reasons on voting somebody? WOW, how about this gem? And than you FoS me for basically ripping your vote

3. Looking back through post 314 is of interest to me
SirWario wrote:Para's vote on Twomz was long overdue. He's been suspecting him the whole game. Its no suprise he voted.

Para, it's about time you showed some conviction.
I don’t like this exchange and although Sir Wario IS on Para’s wagon right now, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see him skip off the wagon and onto somebody else before we hit deadline. Would you like me to keep going Para? Or is this evidence crap too?
I've seen worse, but it's still pretty bad. Your third point isn't actually a point, so you could only dredge up 2 points. You have a problem with me not naming suspects. I actually said that all my suspicions were already out in the open. I also explained why I thought it would benefit scum more than town. The entire point of listing suspicions was to keep the game from slowing down. I suggested we simply vote more boldly(after all, we pretty much do that at the begining of the game). After you all listed suspicions I didn't see anything of note for a bit, so I went with my own advice and voted twomz whom I had fos'd earlier. Unlike your vote on me, I was not attempting to get twomz lynched, and I had given explanations for my suspicion of him. I Fos'd you because you responded faster than twomz to my vote on him when part of the point was to see his response. So yes, I was fosing you for "ripping" my vote. Jumping like that to the defense of another seemed odd.

Anyway I change my mind, I do think that was crap. Those arguments are totally setting up straw men by ignoring my previously made arguments and explanations. Also like I said, your third note has nothing to do with a case against me. And I especially don't like how you decided to present this so close to deadline and just when I'm attacking you for lack of reasoning.
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Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:27 am

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You ASKED for reasoning, you got it, deal with it.
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Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:31 am

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ryan wrote:You ASKED for reasoning, you got it, deal with it.
You asked if I thought it was crap, and it totally was. Too tired to retort? Like, with logic instead of attitude and avoidance?
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Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:34 am

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Also, I don't think I should have to ask for reasoning. I think it should be freely given when it's relevant. At least that seems protown to me.
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Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:36 am

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Para's questions
So you don't think it's scummy to change votes without presenting reasoning or logic?

You don't think it's scummy to vote to see "where a wagon goes"?

You think simply saying that there are reasons should be enough to bandwagon at the end of the day?

I don't think it's particularly scummy to change playstyles, but the only change I've seen just happens to be at the ideal moment to lynch town. You deny that this is scummy as well?

Paradoxombie in 1002 wrote:

Do you think I'm asking you too many questions?

Should I be convinced that you were actually scumhunting because you asked a ton of questions without reaching conclusions when you got the answers?


1) I’ve presented a case on you AFTER I made my comment about “where this bandwagon will end up”

2) No I do not, I like to see where people jump vote wise right up to deadline

3) I’ve seen a strong case presented against you and if you honestly believe it’s 100% scum driven you are just being silly. Points have been made (good ones) against you

4) I changed up my playstyle on Day 1 Para……..DAY 1, I was watching, taking notes, watching patterns before a few people called me out and asked where my opinions were, I have actively participated since

5) I think you’re looking to get suspicion thrown on me at the end of a day and save your own ass.

6) I asked questions, I formed opinions, if you don’t want to believe me, that is your deal, I’m not going to spend pages upon pages trying to explain myself to scum, it’s not worth my time.
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Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:37 am

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curiouskarmadog wrote:cant believe anybody is still listening to Para
WOW I wish I would have read this earlier CKD, you would have saved me three pages worth of trying to reason with scum.
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Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:06 am

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Bold is me
ryan wrote:

1) I’ve presented a case on you AFTER I made my comment about “where this bandwagon will end up”

That bit I called crap a few minutes ago? I thought those were just some random notes you wanted to mention. It's hardly protown to only give a case several pages after the vote and only after I demand it and complain.



3) I’ve seen a strong case presented against you and if you honestly believe it’s 100% scum driven you are just being silly. Points have been made (good ones) against you

This is the second time you've suggested something like this. Why? I never claimed to be not scummy or to be a victim of scum. I think the most(and perhaps only) reasonable case against me was presented by Kabenon. I think it's funny because it's you, ryan, who is denying every scumtell of your's I point out, and it's you who thinks the case against you is 100% scum driven.
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Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:06 am

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Yes I think you are scum Para, die now please, just die.
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Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:27 am

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I think I've seen enough. I'm as confident about who's the best lynch candidate as I'm likely to get before the deadline.

Unvote

Vote: Paradoxombie


Sorry man, you're scummy. Apologies in advance if I'm wrong here.
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Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:39 am

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Para wrote:Because from what I see your role has an actual name, while ours are only called "cowboy" and "harlot".
Did CKD actually provide us his name? Cuz I don't think he did...
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Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:46 am

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kabenon007 wrote:
Para wrote:Because from what I see your role has an actual name, while ours are only called "cowboy" and "harlot".
Did CKD actually provide us his name? Cuz I don't think he did...
Well ...
curiouskarmadog wrote:I am the vig, Capt Shortbus...
I took this as ckd calling Para 'Capt Shortbus', perhaps as a reference to something (movie, whatever ...). Didn't think much of it at the time and then forgot it. Now that you mention it, I can see that ckd could have been saying that Capt Shortbus is the name of the role.

Which is it, ckd?
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Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:49 am

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Doesn't the term "short bus" mean you think they are retarded?
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Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:52 am

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Guess so. Wikipedia to the rescue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_bus
Wikipedia wrote:Short buses can be used by smaller school districts on routes with few students to pick up. However, a more prominent use is to transport small numbers of children to and from vocational school, or schools for children with emotional disorders or mental disabilities.

Because of this second use of the buses, "taking the short bus" or other phrases to that effect has become a pejorative slang term used to imply that the subject has mental or emotional shortcomings.
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Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:52 am

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And while we're at it, ckd was addressing pdcakes, not Para, as I mistakenly wrote.
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Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:55 am

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So have we figured out exactly what time our deadline is?
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Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:59 am

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theopor_COD wrote:
Deadline is 4 days away. So approximately 96 hours time.
This was written on the 28th, 4:04 PM forum time. So I guess the deadline hits at 4:00 PM forum time (On November 1, obv).
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Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:10 pm

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ryan wrote:Yes I think you are scum Para, die now please, just die.
ok,
unvote, vote:Paradoxombie


My logic: I think ryan is scum and that even if another person votes me there's a decent chance that they're town and will simply distract from future ryan suspicion. If I'm going to die I might as well contribute how I can. I think I've said mostly what I want to anyway. Also I really don't feel like dealing with this game any further(although I don't mind most of you).

But anyway, I misinterpreted that ckd quote too. Interesting. That mistake probably changed the whole course of the game.
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Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:13 pm

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I don't like the way Gorgon apologized with his vote. Last couple times I've seen anyone as un-suspicious as him they ended up scum. Just a side note.
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