Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[The DEO]

This is painful.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Investigate PV?

1. Yes, we can't let scum self-janitor themselves and lead us to mislynches.
2. No, PV is too town to waste an investigation on.

I can't tell if he is Pyramids or not.

He is shitposting.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I have no idea what's even going on anymore.
I just.
Don't
-Nebby

A fucking men.

~~Math

I am literally sobbing because I keep trying to salvage this scum keep calling me an idiot
Pyramids should have claimed
Drixx should have got it.
Titus demands we die even though pretty much the entire thread says we won't be shot.

Like I don't know what to do here.

[The DEO]

Honestly I'm fine with the plan.
DEO targets ABR with the Stonehenge, someone vigs DEO and that'll honestly solve a lot of problems going on here.

I agree with Maxou completely. This is the best plan.

Well at least you see we have to die now.

[The DEO]

Honestly I'm fine with the plan.
DEO targets ABR with the Stonehenge, someone vigs DEO and that'll honestly solve a lot of problems going on here.

I agree with Maxou completely. This is the best plan.

Horrible plan we have to target Pyramids.

I agree with Vecna.

Titus just decided to call me to tell me I am an uncompromising player who won't work with her townreads to lynch anyone.

Can we just lynch ABR please?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Honestly I'm fine with the plan.
DEO targets ABR with the Stonehenge, someone vigs DEO and that'll honestly solve a lot of problems going on here.

Except his reads are still a complete 180 from (almost) everyone else pretty much

Which is why ABR is not the target. I would not offer myself as death if I did not have total confidence in you LUV Spiffeh slot Brian and A and N.

I just cannot be the force you can to unify in this game dynamic.

It is over.

[The DEO]

Sondam is going to shoot me if they get it.

Which is why I want to protect you. My death > Your death.

[The DEO]

ABR is always going to vote in my townblock because's he's too proud or scum unless proven wrong.

No amount of argument will get him Math and myself to work together. Flips will.

Town wants Caesar. We remove that.

We die, helping consensus form behind obvtown. It is the only way.

Now, I am getting drunk this evening and talking to Drixx about setups.

[The DEO]

VOTE: Caesar

[The DEO]

ABR is always going to vote in my townblock because's he's too proud or scum unless proven wrong.

Your "townblock" is 2/5 the players in this game. The other 2/5 are my townreads. The remaining are low content posters, lurkers, and trolls.

No. My townblock are Spiffeh Vecna LUV Brian Skies and A and N. Shade them all you want. Their pms will not change.

[The DEO]

I've quoted my own post 5 times since making it, so I'm not going to break down every person and how I feel about them for it to be totally unread.You got someone you want me to address, tell me who. How you feel and why gets you even more feedback about them.

LUV, Vecna, A+N, Caesar.

You can vote Caesar if you want to cooperate.

[The DEO]

You haven't explained it once.

~~Math

Leonshade is asking you too.

Vecna sees Pyramids should claim.
I am guessing A&N sees it from answering the question.

Like I don't see anyone saying why Pyramids shouldn't claim.

~~Math

Im not completely sure on this.

Mafia will want the vig as well. Mafia wont claim it, and mafia wont shoot your slot.

Spiffeh is right that it might not be the best option.....

your slot claiming was just....eeeew

Agreed and I don't know how to salvage this.

Like I am trying to work with you but apparently because I am using a point of consensus I am only using you because we agree I am not working with you.

I don't know what to do.
The only thing Titus says is we have to die and I don't know how to make that happen.

I even told her town vigging a townread is not protown unless we get an IC perm out of it. She was sure you were pyramid.
~~Math

[The DEO]

You haven't explained it once.

~~Math

Leonshade is asking you too.

Vecna sees Pyramids should claim.
I am guessing A&N sees it from answering the question.

Like I don't see anyone saying why Pyramids shouldn't claim.

~~Math

Im not completely sure on this.

Mafia will want the vig as well. Mafia wont claim it, and mafia wont shoot your slot.

Spiffeh is right that it might not be the best option.....

your slot claiming was just....eeeew

Agreed and I don't know how to salvage this.

Like I am trying to work with you but apparently because I am using a point of consensus I am only using you because we agree I am not working with you.

I don't know what to do.
The only thing Titus says is we have to die and I don't know how to make that happen.

I even told her town vigging a townread is not protown unless we get an IC perm out of it. She was sure you were pyramid.
~~Math

[The DEO]

ABR is always going to vote in my townblock

because's he's too proud or scum unless proven wrong.

Your "townblock" is 2/5 the players in this game. The other 2/5 are my townreads. The remaining are low content posters, lurkers, and trolls.

No. My townblock are Spiffeh Vecna LUV Brian Skies and A and N. Shade them all you want. Their pms will not change.

I voted PV. Your woe is me boo hoo routine is patently false.

Really, now you're calling me a liar? You cannot call me emotionally compromised, so now you're saying it's fake when you know I am right we need to die and the action that must be done.

This is why we cannot play games together. You just repeatedly insult me and try to toxically drive away players you disagree with. You're causing my townblock to sub out and attacking whomever doesn't and compromising as a last resort.

[The DEO]

So like she says we can't compromise so we have to die.
I say give it time.
She argues that won't help and Town is too fractured.
She says the division between us has to die.

I really don't know what to do here.

~~Math

Any ideas Vecna?

[The DEO]

OK DEO, get your people to vote Caesar, I'll get my people to do the same.

Mine already are but for Spiffeh who subbed out

[The DEO]

ABR lied about what Pyramids is. He called it a neighborizer.

He is Scum or Town who doesn't read.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Caesar is a policy lynch because Pine is doing fun RP.

~~Math

Titus will probably move the vote anyway.

[The DEO]

Caesar is a policy lynch because Pine is doing fun RP.

~~Math

Titus will probably move the vote anyway.

^^^ why we must die in a nut shell

I already moved it.

[The DEO]

ABR lied about what Pyramids is. He called it a neighborizer.

He is Scum or Town who doesn't read.

~~Math

Lying means that my intention is to deceive. That's a mischaracterization. Your sister lied when, directly after my PV vote, she claims "I will only vote her townreads". Demonstrably false claim to try to make me seem uncompromising, while I am completely open to negotiation. Proven with my help to get Natural pushed through, and my compromising on Ceasar.

You're only "compromising" after dragging the thread through the mud and still losing. This is all about you trying to look better regardless of the flip.

I am fine with this, but don't pretend like I do not know what you are doing.

[The DEO]

I am even open to being wrong, which removing me is still good in that case.

[The DEO]

I'm saying a factional ability doesn't change the fact that everyone started off powerless. Unless you're saying being able to kill is a power.

This is correct.

LUV, can you just flip Caesar so we can get on with this? I die. Then, you'll have the credibility to pound ABR tomorrow if he doesn't cooperate. Yes, I know we have to die, but otherwise ABR will just claim I'm a piece of emotional shit all over the place, pages will keep going. I don't want to die and leave someone like ABR alive, but the votes aren't there.

[The DEO]

Sondam you down to lynch Caesar?

Ehhhhhhhh

^^^ This is scum still FTR.

[The DEO]

So she plays the bully for as long as she is in power, and when she loses that power, she plays the victim. What a piece of work. Bullies are nothing but vulnerable, scared little kids who lack the maturity and teamwork to achieve anything.

ABR, you project well.

I'm not bullying anything. I'm realizing that you and me both alive is an unhealthy situation for town ESPECIALLY if you are town. You know my townreads are town, or you'd just laugh at the possibility of this imploding in my face. Yet, you know it won't. You know someone I am townreading will be confirmed town and reveal you've been in a shit storm for pages and encouraging Math not to work with people and dividing the thread with emotional manipulations and insults to me JUST THIS SIDE of legal.

[The DEO]

VOTE: Sondham

PV, DEO, let's do this.

Math TRs Sodham and I'm not wrecking Math's townreads by play.

[The DEO]

I'm saying a factional ability doesn't change the fact that everyone started off powerless. Unless you're saying being able to kill is a power.

This is correct.

LUV, can you just flip Caesar so we can get on with this? I die. Then, you'll have the credibility to pound ABR tomorrow if he doesn't cooperate. Yes, I know we have to die, but otherwise ABR will just claim I'm a piece of emotional shit all over the place, pages will keep going. I don't want to die and leave someone like ABR alive, but the votes aren't there.

Stop moping around and just vote him. The votes arent there because a bunch of people are protecting him.

People will get around to it sooner or later.

Same is true of Caesar. Except ABR might provide utility to town once he realizes how much of a juvenile ass he's been without Math to manipulate.

You can always lynch him tomorrow if I'm wrong, and one of you will be confirmed town.

[The DEO]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

[The DEO]

ABR and Titus please stop shit posting about who is bullying me.

~~Math

It is clear you both don't like each other and both think the other is being abusive to me.

What it says is you both don't think I can stand up for myself and that you have to do it.

Far as I am concerned your shit fight does nothing except establish what we already know.

[The DEO]

I'm having fun. If you're not then I'm sorry for you.

That ship sailed games ago. I don't believe you. Apology not accepted. Now, let's get on putting Caesar in a pine box and shooting me. Thank you.

[The DEO]

You're not going to convince the other person to say "Hey I was mean to Math"

It is useless move the fuck on.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

Ok Titus, you are hereby BANNED from interacting with ABN.

Youre going to place a vote on the slot, and then not respond to any of its prods, attacks and insinuations regardling you.

Take it from me that this is for your own good, and the good of town.

Put down the vote, and that will be your boundary of even considering the slot.

Start hunting in other scum for tomorrow.

I'm not letting ABR insult me and get away with it. If I shut up, he turns on you. I'll take that any day this week and twice on Sunday to protect decent people.

[The DEO]

Same restriction applies to Math actually.

Ignore the one slot, your vote will be all the contributions we need regarding ABN.

Focus elsewhere, where you can be of use.

Your continuous back and forths help NOONE.

Which is why we die.

ABR will ALWAYS manipulate Math by subtle digs and innendo. He'll be doing this all game. To expect me not to respond is absurd.

This will fuel the division between me and Math. Math and I cannot reconcile. We have to die.

I wish there was another way, but Math is not about to compromise on their beliefs.

~Titus

[The DEO]

VOTE: ABR

Yay Vecna and I mindmeld again.

I really hope you can convince me you're Town.

~~Math

Because to be fair I think ABR Vecna is scum and if I pick which scum to bus Vecna wins.

[The DEO]

VOTE: Caesar

[The DEO]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

Ok Titus, you are hereby BANNED from interacting with ABN.

Youre going to place a vote on the slot, and then not respond to any of its prods, attacks and insinuations regardling you.

Take it from me that this is for your own good, and the good of town.

Put down the vote, and that will be your boundary of even considering the slot.

Start hunting in other scum for tomorrow.

I'm not letting ABR insult me and get away with it. If I shut up, he turns on you. I'll take that any day this week and twice on Sunday to protect decent people.

I think you should be aware by now I can take care of myself just fine.

Now please, do as I request. You can be a bigger person, let the remarks and insuations just slide on over.

As far as youre concerned, they do not exist. Theyre like a comforting fresh breeze. You wouldnt talk to the wind. Now you wont talk to ABR.

Yeah, right. I've ignored him before. He persists in being abusive to other players. Ignoring ABR is NOT the answer. Discrediting him and having him curl up with how wrong his opinions are is the only way to deal with him.

[The DEO]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

Ok Titus, you are hereby BANNED from interacting with ABN.

Youre going to place a vote on the slot, and then not respond to any of its prods, attacks and insinuations regardling you.

Take it from me that this is for your own good, and the good of town.

Put down the vote, and that will be your boundary of even considering the slot.

Start hunting in other scum for tomorrow.

I'm not letting ABR insult me and get away with it. If I shut up, he turns on you. I'll take that any day this week and twice on Sunday to protect decent people.

I think you should be aware by now I can take care of myself just fine.

Now please, do as I request. You can be a bigger person, let the remarks and insuations just slide on over.

As far as youre concerned, they do not exist. Theyre like a comforting fresh breeze. You wouldnt talk to the wind. Now you wont talk to ABR.

Vecna

I really don't know how to work with you here except our vote ABR in italics here.

Like I am not allowed to hunt in Titus's townreads.

I can't vote ABR.

Only options are townreads.

Do you have any ideas?

I want to let you bus/scum lynch ABR.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Same restriction applies to Math actually.

Ignore the one slot, your vote will be all the contributions we need regarding ABN.

Focus elsewhere, where you can be of use.

Your continuous back and forths help NOONE.

Which is why we die.

ABR will ALWAYS manipulate Math by subtle digs and innendo. He'll be doing this all game. To expect me not to respond is absurd.

This will fuel the division between me and Math. Math and I cannot reconcile. We have to die.

I wish there was another way, but Math is not about to compromise on their beliefs.

~Titus

I will reconcile it for you by continuously showing Math he is wrong and that I am town. That is all that will have to happen.

Be at peace.

Let it be done.

Dude, you've been obvious town since page 10 or so at the latest. As long as ABR plays to Math by painting me as unwilling to compromise or listen, they'll never view you as town. Nothing you do will change that short of being mod confirmed and I can do that or target LUV or Spiffeh or just practically anyone in the townblock I feel can unify town.

~Titus

[The DEO]

I'm down with the plan that pyramids claim, DEO is on them whomever has the vig shoots Deo.

I like A+N pointing out the lack of catchup from SSBM but A+N feels like they were ignoring the main topic of discussion at the time.

Please say you'll draft it and let me out of this. PLEASE SHOOT ME. I will not count this as you always scumreading my slot. Just shoot me.

[The DEO]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

Ok Titus, you are hereby BANNED from interacting with ABN.

Youre going to place a vote on the slot, and then not respond to any of its prods, attacks and insinuations regardling you.

Take it from me that this is for your own good, and the good of town.

Put down the vote, and that will be your boundary of even considering the slot.

Start hunting in other scum for tomorrow.

I'm not letting ABR insult me and get away with it. If I shut up, he turns on you. I'll take that any day this week and twice on Sunday to protect decent people.

I think you should be aware by now I can take care of myself just fine.

Now please, do as I request. You can be a bigger person, let the remarks and insuations just slide on over.

As far as youre concerned, they do not exist. Theyre like a comforting fresh breeze. You wouldnt talk to the wind. Now you wont talk to ABR.

Vecna

I really don't know how to work with you here except our vote ABR in italics here.

Like I am not allowed to hunt in Titus's townreads.

I can't vote ABR.

Only options are townreads.

Do you have any ideas?

I want to let you bus/scum lynch ABR.

~~Math

Titus doesnt townread ABR, so youre allowed to lynch ABR.

No, we are not lynching ABR.
I'm moving the vote for a reason. Every single vote on Caesar is town. I don't get to play dictator and pick a lynch.

[The DEO]

Problem is if we agree with Mathblade to lynch Vecna, Titus jumps up and down like a crazy person.

If we agree to go after Titus' scumread Sondham, Mathblade does the exact same thing.

So all we can lynch are lurkers now? That's not mafia. Your whole hydra is impeding progress, because you're obvtown, and we

want

to listen your good ideas but you can't present a united front in your own hydra.

All the scum are lurkers because of the division in our hydra. Like scum checked out pages ago. You don't care to hear that though. You know that's my position and you oppose it again. You'll do that consistently until one of us is in a pine box. Having it be Stonehenge helps town unify around town.

[The DEO]

I mean I was scumreading your slot b/c alot of what you are doing is really unnecessary. I know some of this stuff is tactical play so I'm not really worried about the things you say much more.

Whatever, then you'll vig us. I don't need the insults for having to take the high road and die so the game can progress.

[The DEO]

So Vecna ideas?

Like Titus decided we won't ever cooperate. Pitched an idea that I said worked if Vecna was Pyramids.
I tried to save Titus's idea I thought was shit.

Now I can't vote.
Caesar lynch feels like policy.

Not sure what I can do here.
This is the Titus show.

I say my reads. If I don't convince Titus none of it matters :/ As that point all I have is my voice which Titus is begging us to be killed.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Keep saying to just lynch ABR and investigate Caesar. We need to lynch scum today.

And there's no guarantee ABR is scum over just having a personal vendetta. If I thought there was, Caesar wouldn't be the other option. If town wants to lynch ABR, I view it as a policy lynch.

We should still be vigged.

[The DEO]

VOTE: ABR

This game is devolving into ABR vs DEO... again.

ABR, why are you throwing your vote around so much? Is there more purpose to it than antagonizing Titus/MathBlade?

Because we're going nowhere with Titus' drama bullshit. She's dominating the thread throwing a pity party for herself, claiming, acting out, blaming me for the negative feelings she projects on me.

I'm trying to get the game back on track by pushing different bandwagons and encouraging new ideas so we can gain information.

It won't happen as long as every other post of yours is an ego trip about how bad/evil/awful I am. The vote motion matters shit. If you don't pretend to respect me, we'll get nowhere.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Please stop fighting with ABR sis.

Like literally do anything else.

~~Math

Hunt anyone.

[The DEO]

ABR's views on the game really do differ heavily from my own, I'm just not sure if town would so blatantly go against the grain on just about everything.

not all town are going to see the gamestate the same way. In fact, I'd argue that the more people that see the gamestate the exact same way prob means that there's scum coasting.

Which is actually why scum are in the lurkers, which is why Caesar needs to die.

I need to die because of the fact Math will just push all the active town and just let ABR put up with his toxic crap.

Like it's all the people not pushing shit. *shrug*

[The DEO]

Keep saying to just lynch ABR and investigate Caesar. We need to lynch scum today.

And there's no guarantee ABR is scum over just having a personal vendetta. If I thought there was, Caesar wouldn't be the other option. If town wants to lynch ABR, I view it as a policy lynch.

We should still be vigged.

Caesar is more a policy lynch than ABR

No. Look at their posts when they are here.

It's all buddy us, fight random people, no reasons. Reasons come later. They are avoiding even the basics of pretending to be town. People say no lurker lynch. When town rips its head off, that's when you take out the lurkers.

[The DEO]

So I have to die because I disagree.

Wtf?

You know I am Town.

This gets fixed with time and lynches.

Seriously. Please stop trying to stop my fun on playing because you disagree with me.

~~Math

[The DEO]

You're my strongest townread. One of you tell me where you want me to vote so we can join forces and lynch scum. And tell the other one to suck it up. Stop arguing with me and with each other. The three of us can work together. Respect is earned, but I recognize the need to win this game by stopping this madness.

You stop the madness by not acting like you are a better human being than us and stop saying which one of us you think is a better player. You do this by listening to the obviously town voices in this thread who have been together for days.

You cannot take that though, so we both must die. It's a sad state really.

[The DEO]

I would say vote yourself but that is against your wincon.

Vote Spiffeh's replacement.

~~Math

Probably won't get lynched but then I can have a last will.

[The DEO]

You're my strongest townread. One of you tell me where you want me to vote so we can join forces and lynch scum. And tell the other one to suck it up. Stop arguing with me and with each other. The three of us can work together. Respect is earned, but I recognize the need to win this game by stopping this madness.

You stop the madness by not acting like you are a better human being than us and stop saying which one of us you think is a better player. You do this by listening to the obviously town voices in this thread who have been together for days.

You cannot take that though, so we both must die. It's a sad state really.

There's no obviously town player in this game to me, besides you. You pulled the same crap in SAGA exactly one year ago when molly said I was town and you wouldn't accept it, you wouldn't accept any of your reads were wrong, you wouldn't be reasonable with any of us, not me, not Yosarian, not Drixx, not anyone. Please. Step aside. I won't insult anyone if you replace out of your hydra. You're dominating the game with this "Albert thinks he's better than everyone" crap and no one wants to hear it. No one. Go away, please. I have been perfectly respectful to Mathblade and everyone else alive here.

And you know what, I'm different than in SAGA. You aren't. I know that toxic players like you fuck my reads. Yet, you've been discrediting me since the start. You've been manipulating this hydra against itself. You know why I want Caesar, because I think there's a good chance you're town too and that YOU'RE too proud to see that Vecna and LUV are obvious town and are just pitting us against each other. I have actually learned a shit ton from Pirate Mollie and working with others. Yet, you cannot handle actually being on the outside of a townblock anymore than Math can if you're town. Your way of attacking the townblock is just that much more abusive.

[The DEO]

At least that is an answer Vecna on ideas Vecna thanks.

They all just suck.
It is commit sepukku and hope Town listens to me with Titus calling my reads all wrong.
Replace and never be heard.
Or sheep Titus and really never beheard.

Thing Mafia all over again.

*sigh*

I am taking a break from the thread.

[The DEO]

At least that is an answer Vecna on ideas Vecna thanks.

They all just suck.
It is commit sepukku and hope Town listens to me with Titus calling my reads all wrong.
Replace and never be heard.
Or sheep Titus and really never beheard.

Thing Mafia all over again.

*sigh*

I am taking a break from the thread.

~~math

[The DEO]

Fuck this. Replace me. If this group is fine with a toxic asshole driving this thread into the ground and Math wrecking the townblock on his command, and not working with me to give me the things I need, I am useless to this town here.

When town loses, do NOT blame me for this shit. I told you what to do.

P.S. Still vig math.

I am giving Vecna what he needs here to succeed.

[The DEO]

That was Titus head. Math can keep playing.