mini 2013: the chorus of i'll call b4 i cum mafia (all done)

[Morality]

You’ve been town read a lot. Exactly. And Tchill while going down told town to go over you. That was distancing.


The way you are going “i don’t see why you don’t see” seems like scum who is annoyed a townie is locktowning another townie withoutseemingly much reason.

[SIV36]

I know my vote's on lucky, but another random thought just smacked me on the back of my head. Why didn't Ruby die on night 2? And what's up with Ruby? Their behavior has changed a lot since the first two days. D3, no more wolfs Ruby?

[SIV36]

lmfao. there's literally no disagreement to be had. i'll quote it for you postgame.

Basically, MariaR was saying Ruby was easy to manipulate, not that she found Ruby scummy. So why gloat over this cryptic thing that can only be quoted post-game? Was it really Ruby's power-role that he is referring to, (why would that be so glamorous for a showy post-game, especially because all it says is that you were power-town?).

I'm thinking ruby's confidence could have rooted from his role being mafia-aligned. That

would

be a good refute against someone claiming your easy to manipulate, and it would be a step of grandiosity when Maria would realize that she was the one being manipulated into thinking ruby was town.

Or maybe I'm missing a crucial piece of the puzzle again. Ruby, if you read this, explain what this thing is that you were going to tell maria post-game?

[the worst]

unless Morality has night action shenanigans he's not sharing then scum didn't submit a kill.

[SIV36]

unless Morality has night action shenanigans he's not sharing then scum didn't submit a kill.

If anybody except Ruby was night-killed, wouldn't that make Ruby look suspicious?

[schadd_]

Vote count 3.3

LuckyOtter (3):

Morality, the worst, SIV36

SIV36 (1):

Kokichi Oma

not voting (5):

UnaBombaH, Dunnstral, Azurit, Ruby Red, LuckyOtter

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 3 ends june 30 at 20:30 central US time; in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:30:00)

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[SIV36]

I've never been mafia, so correct me if I'm wrong, but If the last mafia is not Ruby, the best play would have been to kill Ruby to prevent risky PR info leakage. You'd think after Tchill, that would be important.

I guess if Ruby was mafia, the best play would have been to submit a no kill, because, well, hey, it's working. Submitting a no-kill doesn't make much sense unless ruby was mafia.

[UnaBombaH]

unless Morality has night action shenanigans he's not sharing then scum didn't submit a kill.

..or Koki?

[Dunnstral]

Starting to suspect it's just Ruby

Maybe we should nl and see what happens

[schadd_]

prodding ruby red

[the worst]

Starting to suspect it's just Ruby

Maybe we should nl and see what happens

this would actually be entertaining


let's nolynch and get ruby to track Morality or Koki tonight?

[Dunnstral]

Morality is obv town

[LuckyOtter]

You’ve been town read a lot. Exactly. And Tchill while going down told town to go over you. That was distancing.

Why is what Tchill says going down even worth discussing? This is like, the WIFOMiest thing you could bring against me. You can do better.

Here's what I have to offer:
TW I've been townreading the whole game and if he's scum I will buy a hat and eat it.

Morality might have hard bussed his partners and go through lots of legwork to take control of the rest of the game, but I doubt it. It's too risky. I'm annoyed at his cocksuredness and what looks to be a confirmation bias he has against me now, but I'm not certain there's scum motivation behind it. Not anywhere near enough to be lynch-worthy today or even tomorrow.

I scumread Una early on until he finally showed up and did something useful. I've never been totally convinced, tbh, because a lot of his catch-up posts were pretty hefty walls that ended up looking like a lot of busy-work with a few substantial reads that he highlighted to make it clear that's what he wanted us to focus on (and not the other stuff, like the Tchill vote on Performer). Also, it seems noteworthy that Una was voting Tchill D1 but not D2. If he was 'soul-reading' Tchill so hard why hesitate on D2? But, if scum, that would have been an easy opportunity to bus given that he'd laid the foundation for it, so I don't think Una is a great scum candidate today or tomorrow.

Dunn is another I had an early scumlean on. Apparently I just don't know how to read him?

I still don't get why all three scum would be on his wagon, please explain it to me like I'm an idiot.

Also, I don't necessarily think Dunn is cleared just because Performer puts him at L-1 with a few days before deadline. Tchill was the next best wagon, and Performer had been brought up as a possible lynch, so Performer could very easily have decided to go with a bus D1 to earn some credit.

Koki, literally no idea. The tunneling on Profii really irked me but I had a hard time reading it as scum motivated. I felt pretty good about Koki being an easy lynch and Performer taking the bait, but that would make Koki an easy bus, too. Upon ISO, still have literally no idea. Today, I shared his sentiment that SIV was the obvious lynch today and so have probably been blinded, but Koki was super sure about profii too, so... not helpful. I'm really not sure Koki has tried to be helpful all game. For another example, he says to ignore Morality altogether. From my POV, his reads are not totally correct but that does not make them useless. This sounds a bit like Koki trying to undermine Morality's reads, push the easy Siv lynch, and continue from there.

On that note, I've been all over with SIV. Still not sure what to think. Sometimes I hard scumread him, and sometimes I get where he's coming from as a newer player. This is a true null slot for me right now.

I agree that Ruby's tracking claim will work itself out, but I'm still generally inclined to believe it. It just doesn't seem like scum!Ruby really

needed

to fake claim like that so early when doing so puts the spotlight on them to the end. I'm guessing tracker is probably an obvious fakeclaim, though? Please advise.

That leaves Azurit. She's a good candidate based on vote counts, but also looking at ISOs. Azurit focuses mostly D1 on Koki and Dunn, while doing some soft defending of Tchill (342) before eventually voting him without reasoning (468). This was still D1 though, and imo there was no real danger of Tchill getting lynched then. When the opportunity arises, she switches to Dunn (again without giving any reasoning--523)

D2-D3, Azurit focuses mostly on Ruby, but then leaves Ruby off of her reads list (827). (Aside: Morality reads this list as town because it is too 'political,' which is bonkers because 1.

what is she actually pushing here

? TW is at the top purely by POE and Ruby doesn't figure in the list even though she was pursuing them earlier, and 2. what makes you think, at this stage of the game with the disadvantage the last scum has, that they're going to try to just coast to the end sheeping the same reads as everyone else? Scum have to be a little political to survive, no?)

Pedit: TW and Dunn that's actually a good idea. Instead of waiting for the claim to work itself out later we work it out now.

[LuckyOtter]

Right, so if we agree Morality is town and he does whatever to whomever (did he actually claim something and I missed it?), Ruby should be able to track it and confirm her status.

[LuckyOtter]

Except if scum is someone else, they could just off Morality and we'd lose the rather powerful position we have now.

[Kokichi Oma]

Starting to suspect it's just Ruby

Maybe we should nl and see what happens

>NLing on odd numbers.

[the worst]

Morality is obv town

dats wat I'm getting at

[SIV36]

Except if scum is someone else, they could just off Morality and we'd lose the rather powerful position we have now.

You have a good point there. Whether it's Ruby or not ruby, whoever the scum is, if they know who is going to be the agreed upon tracker target, they could just kill said target and we'd get nowhere.

[the worst]

Azurit
Ruby Red
LuckyOtter


If we lynch from bottom to top is there a world in which we don't win?

[the worst]

tempted to lynch ruby first here

[LuckyOtter]

Replace me with Koki and go top to bottom and I agree.

VOTE: Azurit

Pedit: live the best of both worlds and see what ruby does tonight

[the worst]

why would I go to the bottom? :/

[the worst]

Azurit
Ruby Red
LuckyOtter


If we lynch from bottom to top is there a world in which we don't win?

needs SIV in it as well. rawr.

[LuckyOtter]

why would I go to the bottom? :/

?

Also, hold up. How many mislynches do we actually have as a buffer?

[the worst]

8v1
6v1
4v1
2v1

4 lynches left lol