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In post 970, Irrelephant11 wrote:

In post 962, Irrelephant11 wrote:imo skitter/tw are only ever scum together

mm maybe I take this back

In post 986, Irrelephant11 wrote:can the scumteam be yuriko+not_mafia

In post 996, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think yuriko healing tesxx on like page 2 was partner-indicative, btw, I'm not just pulling yuriko+nm out of nowhere or just based on activity

In post 845, probs a robot wrote:I cordially invite any COMPUTER USER present currently or momentarily to embark on an adventure down the rabbit hole with me.
in tonight's episode of The Robot Had Too Much Coffee, I am going to a tunnel a {LHF rep'd out, LHF rep'd out} scumteam for about 80 posts worth of content and see if it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

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In post 8, YurikoJasmine wrote:I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm

I compulsively comment on RVS to see if it suits the alignment which I believe a player may be, and so:
this can easily come from Yuriko as either alignment tbqh but it never surprises me to see it from her as a wolf.

in essence it's approaching the thread with a curious (>rand town) mindset with respect to mechanics (>rand wolf) and interacts with nobody (>rand wolf)
either way it's definitely a nervous tonality, may need to investigate her tones as either alignment later

In post 13, YurikoJasmine wrote:

In post 10, skitter30 wrote:

In post 8, YurikoJasmine wrote:I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm

i mean you don't have to but i know i'm town so

what do you mean by 'even supposed' to?

I mean, well, does our "Heals" towards ourselves count...

In post 15, YurikoJasmine wrote:

In post 14, skitter30 wrote:i assumed it counted since i could do it the last time this setup was ran

ah cool.

feel free to not answer this, but is english your first language?

I was taught and raised bilingual since young but majority of my society speaks Cantonese, which is a dialect of Chinese
School and work is in English.

i do not believe this is intended to be manipulative, just high tier coasty

In post 20, YurikoJasmine wrote:

In post 16, skitter30 wrote:ah ok

your first post felt a little weird, like it was written a little strangely; almost a little forced somehow? but i realized from your next post that you might not be a native english speaker

so i'm not going to really consider weird tonal things from you as being much ai either way

Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

i mean yeah uncomfortable/inconsistent tonality is scummy
not really sure what the motivation in lolvoting the person itt engaging with you is but whatever, it's not towny and not particularly wolfy

In post 22, YurikoJasmine wrote::shrug: people don’t appreciate humour nowadays

@skitter: that question was genuine tho, would want some feedback from you

w h o
c a r e s

In post 24, TesXX wrote:I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

eh actually not sure s/s if tes enters the thread voting with his buddy
heal wise this is optimal s/s for tes' entrance strategy i'm just not sure about the vote

In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:

In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

wolfy but nsg picked up on it quicker than me
actually jumping ahead in time, i think this:

In post 95, YurikoJasmine wrote:I dislike northsidegal (I keep reading her name as “nothingsideal”)’s overall fishing style, asking questions that are either obvious (#27) and spec-related (#49) (what I mean here is that it sounds like a random question to a random person just for question’s sake).

is probably a wolf reacting to being asked a question she has literally no answer for.
on reflection it's pretty obvious yuriko is coasting here and has no motivation in waiting for skitter to answer the question. skitter's answer for the record is

In post 29, skitter30 wrote:i mean i've literally had arguments with people about how random capitalization makes their posts seem weird so

this is a very broad question, and basically it depends on the context (ie what's going on in the game, have i played with the player before, what they normally sound like, etc)

like if a post sounds constructed i would find that sketchy because it sounds like they're trying to craft posts to achieve some sort of affect. if i then learned that english wasn't their first language i would find it less so since they may not realize they used a phrasing that sounds a little strange when trying to communicate

basically i don't inherently view it as scummy, but rather as something to poke at to learn more about the context

which is a pretty detailed question which like a really good explanation of why she approached yuriko the way she did early in the game (wouldn't say it's potently AI within the context of skitter's meta but I would expect an explanation of this quality to evoke some kind of reaction especially if Yuriko was actually holding up on reading slots for skitter to answer it. for the record, yuriko's next comment on skitter was in her read list here

yuriko wrote:Re: skitter and my language issue, my own stance being, being weird =/= being scum, but being defensive is. I think #29 was a decent response and is not defensive (what I would expect from scum: something along the line of "I didn't say you were scummy! But you're still weird!"). I don't like how she asked northsidegal to elaborate her (northsidegal's) reads but refused to elaborate her (skitter's) own reads.

which is like a terrific way of completely ducking the fact she asked a pointless question and got called out on it

her reactionarily scumreading nsg without ever bothering to engage her for asking 'obvious questions' when personally i'm still baffled what the fuck yuriko was trying to accomplish is probably fairly filthy, idk if it's an experience level/playstyle thing or i'm starting to tunnel so someone pls stop me if this sounds like it's just A Thing Townies Do and i'm being bad

anyway back to post 25

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In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:

In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

In post 24, TesXX wrote:I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

Why vote skitter?

i do want to s/s read this a little bit
kinda doubt town watching town voting with them during rvs bothers to question the other town's vote on a slot they've expressed a level of discomfort in
also kinda doubt scum watching town sheeping them onto a wagon ignores all of the townie's comments and asks why they've followed their vote
probs a fair reaction to seeing your literal scumbuddy voting with you in rvs

again please tell me if i'm being stupid

In post 27, northsidegal wrote:

In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

is your read on skitter contingent on how she answers that question?

nsg #goodposting
spoiler: it's not and yuriko doesn't think it is

In post 48, TesXX wrote:More posts to come later obviously but here are some first thoughts.
Page 1

In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town

I'm really not sure if this is meant to be ironic or not, but if he's legit opening with "thank God I'm town" that definitely seems lamist as fuck.

i have consulted with my databases once again and once again they have provided an adequate reaction:
THIS SUX.

In post 48, TesXX wrote:

In post 18, The Dark Wanderer wrote:HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

Disagreed. It looks really fake to me. Either this is newbscum trying to protect his partner or it's just bad logic.

ah, ye olde shade throw
town probably isn't exempted from doing this and i kinda like his newbscum thought but i don't like it a LOT

In post 48, TesXX wrote:

In post 17, The Dark Wanderer wrote:dva why did you single gamma out

also hi everyone!!!

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

waht
maybe he's saying it's weird to call dva out on singling out gamma after voting gamma and saying he's town but like??
i'm not sure i kinda think this was something he just felt like he should probably say that didn't mean anything, did he ever explain the post 18 thing?
the fact his opening post is geared entirely towards making two players look bad pings agendaey

actually i'm gonna use the scum word
it

reeeeeeeeeks

agendaey

In post 48, TesXX wrote:

In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

This is the most suspicious thing so far. It's a response to post 20

mfw chainsaw defense p2
is this too much to be w/w?
also lukewarm hot take: his stance on gamma is fake

In post 48, TesXX wrote:

In post 20, YurikoJasmine wrote:Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

Which, lynch me immediately if I'm wrong, seems like the most obvious joke ever. I cant possibly think of a reason someone would think its serious.

this is a really neat way to feathersoft defend yuriko without actually weighing into anything except tunnelling his chosen victims

In post 52, TesXX wrote:

In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:

In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

In post 24, TesXX wrote:I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

Why vote skitter?

Oh I'd been in a few games with her in the past and she was outside the foolproof townbloc

> tunnels two slots
> voting another slot
> claims vote is on the slot because he considers skitter lynchable

In post 52, TesXX wrote:

In post 28, The Dark Wanderer wrote:you dislike that question on page 1 to someone who has made no reads?

im not entirely understanding where your coming from on skitter, its not a confirmed villa but it's towny enough for page one. do you think that skitter is a wolf?

I will admit something in this gives me genuine town curiosity vibes. Kinda unsure on this one.

> freezes
> realises fake wolfread is really bad
> doesn't fix it

In post 52, TesXX wrote:

In post 41, skitter30 wrote:you might be town

Elaboration here would be cool.

asking skitter for more is probably nai, asking for an elaboration on a read which imo is fairly already obvious is probably not solvey

In post 52, TesXX wrote:

In post 44, The Dark Wanderer wrote:i should mention that in general i would expect scum not to feel the need to argue that the things that i was townreading him for were not alignment indicative but that's heavily personality dependent

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

and

In post 52, TesXX wrote:

In post 46, Musicjax wrote:VOTE: Skitter
Be more normal ok thx <3

Is this a joke/rvs vote or a legit one

highly uninteresting busywork question strike 2

In post 53, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

objectively correct and i forgot how much i liked gamma's reaction here!

In post 54, TesXX wrote:

In post 50, The Dark Wanderer wrote:This is an incredibly wolfy post

Again, elaboration would be cool

i think this is genuinely frustrated but i know i get frustrated when i'm a wolf and feel like i'm doing good woofin' and people are correctly scumreading me for reasons which i don't like/understand so this is kinda whatever imo

In post 56, northsidegal wrote:

In post 52, TesXX wrote:This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

skeptical about what, exactly?

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

@nsg mind if i ask what you were angling at with this read? (since it's pretty well passed and tes is out of the picture now)

In post 58, TesXX wrote:

In post 53, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

What I saw was a forced vote on someone making an obvious joke, and that was what I showed. If you were trying to get a read then I didn't see it.

ok

In post 58, TesXX wrote:

northsidegal wrote:

In post 52, TesXX wrote:This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

skeptical about what, exactly?

Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

ok

In post 58, TesXX wrote:

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

need to speak to nsg about this bc like
is there ever another answer to this question?

In post 61, northsidegal wrote:missed this:

this is an intensely good post

In post 66, skitter30 wrote:newbie 1797 i'm pretty sure is the one game
this was with the old newbie setup and he was 1sbp

without that i prob would have scumread him; he's kinda lynchbait-y

from what i remember he's like very forthright and he doesn't really care how he comes off if that makes sense, or if it makes him looks scummy. he just says it anyways which is kinda what i'm getting from him here, with him going through like every post like that; he jsut says exactly what he thinks without overthinking it

the try-harding feels kinda townie to me

(writing this out i'm realizing that it's possible he felt that way in that game cuz he was 1sbp and not getting lynched, but i think it's more how he approaches the game than related to the role, idk)

ah ok i need to read this newbie as well
i think from a tonal/agenda perspective he reads very differently here to his old town games. but i did read a vt game. i know lynchbait is lynchbait so i might just be chomping down too hard here but lynchbait can rand wolf as well and he's actually reading like he's just a wolf to me?

In post 78, Gamma Emerald wrote:HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

unfortunately this point means nothing (which i know gamma is aware of) but this is probably ~when the heat on Tes started to simmer

In post 79, TesXX wrote:Binally fack
Page 3

In post 61, northsidegal wrote:

In post 58, TesXX wrote:Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

can you explain agreeing that his argument for gamma being town is a "good point" and also thinking that it makes them both more likely to be scum? that seems pretty contradictory to me.

No. Skeptical as in I'm LESS certain they're a scumteam.
Still probably my best bet but it did sort of make me reconsider.

ok you still have no reads except for a really bad scumteam

In post 79, TesXX wrote:

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

would you say that you're playing as you normally do as town?

Well I mean this is my first ms game in over a year I think so there isn't really any accurate description of "how I usually play as town." Usually I change my play with every game because I'm trying to improve from the last game.

also, you missed this:

In post 49, northsidegal wrote:

In post 48, TesXX wrote:This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

why?

what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?

Yeah my bad I forgot this one.
I thought it was worth pointing out because I thought post 18 indicated a gamma/wanderer team and 17 added upon it despite not being that alignment indicative.

i'm too tunneled rn to work out if this is towny or not, i'll check/ask nsg

In post 79, TesXX wrote:

In post 64, The Dark Wanderer wrote:the way that he's discrediting the townreads on gamma feels like more like wolf paranoid about villas finding each other than villa who scumreads him

Uh no I'm discrediting the town reads because I disagree with the reasoning and think it's wrong. That's not wolf paranoid of townies allying that's me pointing out what I don't like.

this feels slightly overexplained but whatever, that's likely within Tes' townrange as well

In post 79, TesXX wrote:

he also called me a partner then backed off on that when I called him wolfy for it, which is exactly the response you'd expect if we were both wolves

No I was responding to posts page by page. I thought I made that pretty clear.

this answer feels like it's matched to the wrong quote

In post 80, TesXX wrote:

In post 78, Gamma Emerald wrote:HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

Yeah because of the fool proof coalition I made at the beginning
Since we're out of Rvs and I forgot to do this earlier, HURT: everyone for now
I'll try to analyze all the players tomorrow and get a better idea of what I think, maybe make a read list idk

i don't like this either but this bit is in Tes' townrange too i think

In post 82, The Dark Wanderer wrote:im gonna say I was probably wrong on tesxx, I think Skitter is telling the truth about this being how he plays and there are things that i like from him.

Also thinking that Skitter is town for bringing it up but I guess it is still plausible that she brought it up for towncred since being towny is more important than framing people as scum
...
thinking from that point of view there's not actually much motivation for scum tesxx to start attacking universal townread gamma emerald, it creates enemies and doesn't actually put scum in a better position here

so yes I guess my skitter30 and gamma emerald townreads are a sizable amount shakier than they previously were, whereas northsidegal is still very likely town and tesxx can be town as well

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx

reminder to self to go check if tdw has built up on this tesxx read

In post 1009, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'd also think the Gamma!read would have wavered if Dva were town and Gamma were scum (given Dva's pretty good at solving based on the newbie we played together)

In post 1005, Irrelephant11 wrote:wow I'm halfway through and would be very happy if it were just right (I have no complaints with it so far)


@skitter why is dva/gamma mutual townread a reason to say one of them should be scum?
Er, reverse that question, because I don't mean to put words in your mouth. Why isn't dva/gamma mutual townread enough reason to say they're more likely t/t?

In post 1012, Irrelephant11 wrote:845 comes from scum 0/1,000,000 times