Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[CantHateAPuppy]

maybe an eyepatch? the eyepatch can have a scar on it

[midwaybear]

Maybe you should have fought harder for the kerset hang. You weren't even voting at the end of the day.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Vote Count 1.13 (FINAL)

Ydrasse

[/b] (6):

innocentvillager, Nosferatu, Mafia Goon,

midwaybear,Battle Mage,

ready2rock

Blair

(1): Dunnstral

Mafia Goon

(1):

Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy,

Blair

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.[/area][/color]

Vote Count 2.6 (final)

Dunnstral

(5): Blair,

Kerset, midwaybear,

ready2rock,

CantLynchAPuppy

ready2rock

(2): Mafia Goon, Dunnstral

Kerset

(1):

Nosferatu

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.[/area][/color]

Vote Count 3.7 (Final)

Fidget

(3): midwaybear,

ready2rock

, Kerset

CantLynchAPuppy

(1):

Fidget

Not voting

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to launch.[/area][/color]

kind of lol that each of us has been a vanity wagon at EOD

midway and kerset's slot have been on the same launch wagons each time which is a little annoying when i want to find out the differences

[Kerset]

not sure what to think of the fact that my townreads have been right and getting launched anyways.

If you got 8 players and only one of them is scum then the odds of correct TR are high.

[CantHateAPuppy]

yeah but dunn and fidg were both my strongest townreads, i tried defending both. that should count for something when the town lines up its wagons

[Kerset]

in that case we should also count the fact that you wanted to launch r2r, which was town as well
you defended town but also wanted to launch other town

[CantHateAPuppy]

that just proves no one wants to sheep my opinions

it's not a big problem we can workship this postgame. im mostly just deciding if i want to reread now or if i still have trip things to do that mean it'll have to wait a few days

[midwaybear]

I am here. We can have a productive discussion...
I am quite doubtful now. I could go either way.

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset how much is your mind made up

[Kerset]

I am here. We can have a productive discussion...
I am quite doubtful now. I could go either way.

Its cool that you have no interest in argumentation your own reads.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i am pretty genuinely torn. sorry if it's obvious!

[midwaybear]

Its cool that you have no interest in argumentation your own reads.

bruh stop roasting me

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset how much is your mind made up

i was really hoping this question ^ would bait kerset into maybe exposing whether she was waiting for my opinion or is hunting on her own, as a way to compare against 1009, but i guess she's already sort of nerfed it now:

I am here. We can have a productive discussion...
I am quite doubtful now. I could go either way.

Its cool that you have no interest in argumentation your own reads.

[Kerset]

kerset how much is your mind made up

I am pretty sure that there is no traitor
for serious i don't see a lot data that could potentially change anything. Everything posted so far points at mid. Most of the leads are lack of reason why would he be town and minor which suggest that you can be. I am still open but only to new content.

[midwaybear]

puppy, you didn't even really defend fidget in the end...

[CantHateAPuppy]

Most of the leads are lack of reason why would he be town

this is sort of what i was thinking too wrt midway. i know what you posted already, can you either elaborate briefly or give a tldr? just looking to see if you have any forceful way of putting it or if something strikes you as a particularly good point now that more time has passed

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy, you didn't even really defend fidget in the end...

i wasn't online

i came online to see fidget hammered and doing the scum confession and before i could post a corny "aw shucks i was wrong " post umlaut had locked

[Kerset]

i was wondering, puppy did you expect this game to have vig on d2?

[midwaybear]

I would not consider 964, 966, 970, 971 to be defending fidget. Those were your last 4 posts.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i was wondering, puppy did you expect this game to have vig on d2?

i don't remember. the weird game size and gunsmith definitely implied one, in hindsight, but it seems so obvious now i can't get into any headspace where it wouldn't be obvious. hm. i might have considered it but i didn't go as far as to vig hunt or anything

I would not consider 964, 966, 970, 971 to be defending fidget. Those were your last 4 posts.

in my mind i was more arguing with a townread who had it wrong, maybe the phrase "weird progression" in 970 was weird on my part because that's a phrase people use when thinking scum. i didn't think r2r was going to launch fidg so i wasn't defending super hard atm

[CantHateAPuppy]

Wait...
Is mafia goon just a mafia traitor open wolfing?

hm

[midwaybear]

If you're going to go down that road, I really don't think 3 scum vs 7 town was ever going to be a viable setup in the first place? If I really thought that MG was our traitor, then I probably would have just known when he claimed to be a mafia goon.
I'm not really going to bother with you about the Fidget stuff. I'll be looking at D1 and D2, and then maybe D3. I can see a townie being genuinely unsure.

[Kerset]

We got d1 midway. Which makes posts like this

Spoiler:

i sheep this

VOTE: ready2rock

i don't think that ready2rock's statement about nosferatu is really that confident though, tbf. "very combatitive" is strong wording ig but given that it's pinned on as an afterthought i'd argue that there isn't a lot of heart in it.

yeah this is sorta a hedge. I feel better about my vote.

To clarify a bit, my case is that in his read of midway, especially his ISO analysis post, he presents every post and basically waves his arms and says "see? this is clearly scum!" There's almost no "this isn't too bad" or "I could see this coming from misled town, but..." and this is what I meant by uncharitable.

I actually felt differently about his early read on me. He was leaving room to townread me and that was the reason for my initial vote.

I kinda want to say that this is too careless to come from scum. Been wrong on that before, but I'll go with that for now

With Dunnstral, being lazy as scum is definitely something he would do. I don't think you should let someone free from suspicion just because they seem to be too scummy to be scum.

I think I can see r2r's point based on the quoted portions in 221 about how BM was being uncharitable towards me.

279 ok then...

I do agree with IV's most recent post about how BM's early interactions with me aren't necessarily scum motivated. I'm also not realla fan of Blair calling out people but not really explaining why she thinks that way.

We can argue whenever he pushed ydeasee or someone else but he was actively enforcing his ideas.
Then we got d2 midway. This is like his one biggest post over there.

Spoiler:

Ok, I should have more time on this game now.
@Nosferatu is BM scum just because of how he voted Ydrasse? I know he pressured you for some bad reasons early in the game, but is there anything more to it?
I'm leaning away from Dunnstral, but he probably has to go at some point in this game because he isn't doing much right now.
r2r and Blair I need to look at more...
Still not sure who to vote yet, but we have time.

Once first scum died, he became idle. There is nothing towny in his passive gameplay and the simplest explanation is that he gave up once he lost his partner so early. With d1 scum lynch, this is what i expect from second scum - despair. It's not like you were posting a lot on d2 but there wasn't any major difference between your d1 and d2.
Cheap lamist trick like hey i was the one who got scum is meh, just scummy looking at actually events.

[CantHateAPuppy]

midway doesn't deserve that much credit for ydrasse imo because he just asserted she was scum and voted, then hopped off and later back on when it was a strong wagon. not much pushing. otoh it's not exactly scummy either

[CantHateAPuppy]

If you're going to go down that road, I really don't think 3 scum vs 7 town was ever going to be a viable setup in the first place? If I really thought that MG was our traitor, then I probably would have just known when he claimed to be a mafia goon.
I'm not really going to bother with you about the Fidget stuff. I'll be looking at D1 and D2, and then maybe D3. I can see a townie being genuinely unsure.

no the traitor post was interesting to me b/c i thought i was the first to mention a traitor. i thought it was some nonproductive steam from my head but maybe i was thinking about it because other people suggested it. i use my own iso as a place to store notes