Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[ben dover123]

let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

[Bridgeburners]

let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

what?

-QB

[PenguinPower]

let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

what?

-QB

[AaronFrost]

IioA isn't a crime of negligence, it's a specific incident of sin. Having content at other times does not absolve it.

Forgive me father for i have sinned

[AaronFrost]

keep up AFF, we already have a claim

-QB

Make me

UNVOTE:

Not really interested in eliminating that claim

[Bridgeburners]

y

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Make me

also, flirting with me will get you nowhere AFF, I am immune to your charms

-QB

[AaronFrost]

let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

what?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

why is everyone freaking out over a tracker claim

it's not a confirmable claim and ben is still scummy lol

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[AaronFrost]

y

-QB

I think that claim is likely to resolve itself sooner rather than later and it's not really something I'd be interested in pursing on day 1, when i'm not super confident on ben dover being scum to begin with

[PenguinPower]

let's flip ben anyway

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what

what?

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[Bridgeburners]

why does that claim resolve itself when scum have literally a multitude of fakeclaims to give even if ben were to track one successfully

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[Bridgeburners]

why were you voting ben if u weren't that confident in scum!him, AFF?

-QB

[AaronFrost]

Make me

also, flirting with me will get you nowhere AFF, I am immune to your charms

-QB

i'll get through to you some day

[PenguinPower]

why's ben scum?

[AaronFrost]

why does that claim resolve itself when scum have literally a multitude of fakeclaims to give even if ben were to track one successfully

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Because now scum are either forced to try and kill him or risk him getting results that can benefit the town and I feel in most scenarios ben just dies. I suppose that argument is pretty wifomy though.

why were you voting ben if u weren't that confident in scum!him, AFF?

-QB

I mean honestly, there hasn't really been a strong case on anyone so I'd rather get a claim or a flip or something instead of just sitting around waiting for things to happen

[AaronFrost]

QB why do you still want to elim ben regardless of the claim?

[Bridgeburners]

QB why do you still want to elim ben regardless of the claim?

Because I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. I’ve seen scumbags live to lylo off the shoulder of bad fakeclaims. I watched town lim themselves in a fury off the Tannhäuser gate. And if we die N1 all those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

why's ben scum?

(1) didn’t really like his response to the wagon on him (specifically the stuff that was like “whoah, that’s quite a wagon to have sprung up on me so quickly! Particularly didn’t like the last two votes — but it could be all town! Not saying anyone on me is scum yet!”)

(2) his posting is tickling my null!scum vibe sensor — he’s been here and has said ~stuff~ but it feels like there’s not a lot of depth to his posts/thoughts

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[Bridgeburners]

Make me

also, flirting with me will get you nowhere AFF, I am immune to your charms

-QB

i'll get through to you some day

That’s what they all say *chuckles rakishly*

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[Bridgeburners]

Because now scum are either forced to try and kill him or risk him getting results that can benefit the town and I feel in most scenarios ben just dies. I suppose that argument is pretty wifomy though.

Nah bc why would you kill someone who’s broadly susp and can die from elim when they can’t hard guilty you anyway? The potential for lots of PRs means even if he was on scum and tracked they always have viable explanations

And correspondingly, there’s a decent chance that he just tracks a doc or something and thereby actually outs extra info to scum

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[AaronFrost]

why's ben scum?

(1) didn’t really like his response to the wagon on him (specifically the stuff that was like “whoah, that’s quite a wagon to have sprung up on me so quickly! Particularly didn’t like the last two votes — but it could be all town! Not saying anyone on me is scum yet!”)

(2) his posting is tickling my null!scum vibe sensor — he’s been here and has said ~stuff~ but it feels like there’s not a lot of depth to his posts/thoughts

-QB

1) I actually kind of felt the opposite about his reaction initally (assuming you're talking about the first wagon). I think I particularly liked 431 when he said he didn't want to call anyone on the wagon scum because he had no evidence of that being the case. I think if he were scum there would've been some attempt to push the vote elsewhere, maybe onto one of the wagon hoppers.

I agree with 2) though, his posting has been pretty lackluster as of late.

[AaronFrost]

Because now scum are either forced to try and kill him or risk him getting results that can benefit the town and I feel in most scenarios ben just dies. I suppose that argument is pretty wifomy though.

Nah bc why would you kill someone who’s broadly susp and can die from elim when they can’t hard guilty you anyway? The potential for lots of PRs means even if he was on scum and tracked they always have viable explanations

And correspondingly, there’s a decent chance that he just tracks a doc or something and thereby actually outs extra info to scum

-QB

Gonna be honest, I didn't even consider the likelihood of there being multiple investigatives in this setup so my point is probably moot

[implosion]

Yesterday was long.

I don't especially feel compelled to jump off from the claim. If there's some other good wagon then it'd be fine to but the claim isn't convincing.

I'd like Hydra to explain why

exactly

he says it'd be "easily disproven if fake". That post feels like scum hastily trying to be one of the first people to give judgment on a claim and get credit for that but not actually thinking about what they're saying because I don't think that's how tracker claims play out in practice.

Menalque's reaction is +town in context I think.

[implosion]

(Menalque because I think it's something scum will be loath to say to a degree, being the first person, and adamantly so, to say "let's just kill the PR claim anyway")