CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[The Three Bears]

It's technically a PR and instantly lock clearing for that slot imo.

like, all this talk on PRs in play... why not just claim? like yall have spen so many posts going "no way we claim!!!" like, ok? I don't care who claims what... if you don't wanna claim, just drop the topic of claims tbh... like Toogeloo is guaranteed to flip scum here, just flip Toogeloo???

We have no reason to claim. We'll claim when our claim helps us. For the record, I am a large hold up on claiming. There's no point.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

I didn't even want flavor claims but resigned to it.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

we got a letter. and then i will reiterate again that our role is confirmable. tictac suggesting we elim us is strictly antitown. i think we claim today for sure but as for when, i will need to hear from my hydra buddies.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

atp im very numb to this game. i have like no feelings towards this game except emptiness. anyways, i dont want to think about this game rn.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

Also I really hate the WIFOM of killing STD after people kept saying there was one scum between him and Ceph

we said that. we also said mastina and cephrir were not both town. i dont think the kill has much to do with wifom to be honest.

with suspicions rising on us and norwee, scum aren't left with many options. fenrir has gone by basically completely nullread/townread. why wouldn't scum kill him?

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

our role is confirmable.

you can't just say this all game lol

damn saying it for one day (yesterday) = saying it all game. gosh i didnt know words were that powerful.

[The Three Bears]

Also tell us message plz

we got a "letter". thats literally it.

[The Three Bears]

we got a letter. and then i will reiterate again that our role is confirmable. tictac suggesting we elim us is strictly antitown. i think we claim today for sure but as for when, i will need to hear from my hydra buddies.

-noraa

How are you confirmable?

i have the impulse to just claim but my buddies arent here hmm. i will give some very very obvious hints that way i can tell my hydra chat that i didnt claim o-o.

ok well we are dylan faden right? remember jesse faden? who was that again?
we were informed of their existence (think about why for a moment)
AND there is something in jesse's role that confirms another role exists ......
and that is [REDACTED]

put the pieces together yourself.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

it should be pretty clear what we are. for anyone who knows flavor well, it should also be clear why we have consistently said flavor doesnt break the game because our role pm said that we were [blanking] [REDACTED]

[blanking] is a verb in our role pm. a secret word!!

[The Three Bears]

er that actually doesnt relate but our role pm did say we were [blanking] [REDACTED]

flavor not breaking was more due to our character.

[The Three Bears]

i claimed yesterday that scum never cc's us and that our role was confirmable.
our role is confirmed to EXIST. scum never cc's ebcause that would be dumb.

[The Three Bears]

alignment is tougher since our role is not confirmed to be town off the role alone but we were baiting the nk yesterday so things were exaggerated a bit.

[The Three Bears]

the role is confirmable though, as i've said multiple times.

[The Three Bears]

catboi has been killed night 5! He was

Jesse Faden, a 2-shot Even Enabled Vigilante Director aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Welcome to CONTROL catboi!

You are Jesse Faden, a 2-shot Even Enabled Vigilante Director aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

"We live in a room, and there's a poster on the wall. We stare at it and we think that's the whole world. The room... and the poster. But it's all a lie. Something to distract us from the truth. The room's not the world, the world... is much bigger, and much stranger."

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
-You wield the Service Weapon, an Object of Power. Twice, you may use the Service Weapon at night to shoot and kill another player. The Service Weapon may only be fired on even-numbered nights as it requires time to charge.
-You know that another presence in the game is keeping the Service Weapon functional. Should they die, you will lose access to its powers.

You win once all threats to the

Federal Bureau of Control

have been eliminated.
The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500

[The Three Bears]

By confirmable I meant how can you confirm yourself as town?

we cant confirm that off of our role alone unfortunately.

[The Three Bears]

Oh enabler.

if either flea or titus ask, i didnt say anything ok?

[The Three Bears]

You’re right, it doesn’t really confirm you being town.
But i don’t need an confirmation to see that both Tictac and Andante are angling hard for an Bears lim today. >_>

i dont know anymore tbh. is it really just that easy?
like i dont know im so numb to this game. i keep doubting myself constantly at every moment of the day and while all of my reads so far have been right, im scared to do much because there's really just a thin thin line between good reads and terrible tunnels from me.

[The Three Bears]

im genuinely just so frustrated at myself and the game. like why are we even being suspected and why is everyone here just so scummy excpept literally you and roden. i hate that i keep letting people convince me im wrong but also that im scared to do anything to change anything.

[The Three Bears]

and mala i guess.

[The Three Bears]

like we've just been towny across the board and constantly drowned out. i dont even know what to do with this game because i keep feeling like the moment i start doing things, town is literally just doomed because my remaining reads will be a total crapshoot.
i dont know i really dont know. i wish we woke up to a welcome to the dead thread pm.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

massy is not one of our heads. we have titus, flea and noraa

[The Three Bears]

I'm gonna live or die by my Bears town read.

appreciate it, we feel the same about you.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

So I got the message from the beyond but I am genuinely tempted to just outright ignore it because the dead thread have basically polar opposites of my thoughts.

Toogeloo was apparently molded on N5. Dunnstral is claiming that it's mylo. (Not quite the word used, message used a more "modern" term but I'm paraphrasing here.)

Toogeloo says that Dylan might be an honest claim from mafia (but fuck that, Bears are town; this is what I meant by "tempted to genuinely just outright ignore the message from beyond");

Toogeloo says that Roden and Cephrir are town (Roden, sure! But Ceph, fuck that; this is what I meant by tempted to genuinely just outright ignore the message from beyond");

Toogeloo leans scum on Bears.

That was all I got tho.

dead thread thinks we're scum???????? what the fuck is happening over there :/

[The Three Bears]

god actual damnit. i am pocketed too firmly by mastina if she is scum agh. am i ready to bet this game on her being town?
fuck. i feel like i am.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

While I think Adante is the correct play, I'd like to do VCA but the soonest I can get to it is Sunday most likely. I'm not sure if you want to wait that long.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

Adante is by play, but mastina is my gut based on past looking at votes.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

I'm still not molded lol, see I think our plan should be to vote out maf! I'm honestly still convinced bears maf, like, bears are all "we're a powerful role!!! not vt!!" ok, if you're a powerful role, what info for us do you have?

We already shared our info.

our role is confirmable.

you can't just say this all game lol

Can and will.

also VOTE: Andante or Cephrir.

[The Three Bears]

we got a letter. and then i will reiterate again that our role is confirmable. tictac suggesting we elim us is strictly antitown. i think we claim today for sure but as for when, i will need to hear from my hydra buddies.

-noraa

How are you confirmable?

i have the impulse to just claim but my buddies arent here hmm. i will give some very very obvious hints that way i can tell my hydra chat that i didnt claim o-o.

ok well we are dylan faden right? remember jesse faden? who was that again?
we were informed of their existence (think about why for a moment)
AND there is something in jesse's role that confirms another role exists ......
and that is [REDACTED]

put the pieces together yourself.

-noraa

ffs Nora.

Fine we finish mass claim.
We are Dylan Faden, an informed enabling [redacted].
We are informed Jesse Faden is present in game. We passively enable Jesse's abilities.
That I'm aware in flavour Dylan is corrupted af/Hiss aligned and final fate is he's left comatose - and honestly that i've read it would appear anti-FBC which is why my insistance is what it was.

With that said pending any counter claim

WE ARE HARD CLEAR.

-Pinkie the grumpy bear.

[The Three Bears]

UNVOTE:

[The Three Bears]

fam.. ok if I'm maf, can we at least get my partner first? I want to work with yall. I thought about it and I don't think it's you, I think it's mala

Awoo.

Openwolf more plz.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

As much as I hate to admit it we're in a Misyeet to lose situation,

Personally

I DO WANT TO YEET TODAY

as we still don't know what mold does. I don't trust a damn word scum says from beyond the grave either.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

Bears... I'm trying.. yall are not making this easy. Believe it or not, idk maf, soooo if we want to lim them, we might have to work together

Feel free to disengage with me at any time because I'm cranky af currently. But sure. Why not.

But first, what suddenly changed your mind?
You've been on us since early game, and unwavering at that.
I've been nothing less than honest throughout, and now suddenly you 180 your read.

Why

-Pinkie

PEDIT - and you're still on it...

[The Three Bears]

Mala is one of the two left to fullclaim, odd enough.

I don't buy your position change here.

In misyeet situation you go for the one you are more convinced on and given your endless tunnel on us I refuse to believe you legitimately read anyone as scummier than us.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

i dotn see why mala gets shot tonight. sure she's conftown but she's not really doing anything. i want an elimination today and i wont do anything outside of [andante, cephrir]

there is absolutely ZERO way both of those are town. we win by eliminating them today and tomorrow assuming the first flips town. if the first flips town, we regroup and discuss more. if the first flips town, we kill the other tomorrow. there is NO WAY both are town like i genuinely do not beleive that for even a second.

i think cephrir should be the vote today but mala has been screaming for andante for a while and im like hmm maybe she's been right all along.

-oraa

[The Three Bears]

but mala has called for andante blood for multiple days now and if you think andante is town, mala is not helping town either.

[The Three Bears]

alternatively if you think they're scum, maybe hit up me and tell me that

do not do this. catboi please have faith in town and help us.

[The Three Bears]

catboi has givne up on us D:

[The Three Bears]

but mala has called for andante blood for multiple days now and if you think andante is town, mala is not helping town either.

i think she has a lot more potential to change her mind

yeah? you think someone who has called for andantes blood for like four days straight has more potential to change their vote after we have voted in other places every day?

[The Three Bears]

tbh mold has to be roleblock related, bears molded n1, no kill n1? coincidence? I think not!

Cause I still haven't been molded, so I think it's an action that does something

If Mold was a town ability, it would have likely been claimed.

The lack of an NK is likely LLD.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

I’m just gonna reveal this. Catboi told me that Mala gifted them powers in this game. A 1-shot neighborizer or something. It REALLY does not sound like a scum role to me, least of all when Mala gifted them to Catboi and didn’t STD get a roleblock ability too, pretty sure that also was Mala.
Why TF would scum!Mala gift powers to town?

I would do this as scum. I don't think Mala is scum, but clearing her off of that is dumb.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

we got a letter. and then i will reiterate again that our role is confirmable. tictac suggesting we elim us is strictly antitown. i think we claim today for sure but as for when, i will need to hear from my hydra buddies.

-noraa

How are you confirmable?

i have the impulse to just claim but my buddies arent here hmm. i will give some very very obvious hints that way i can tell my hydra chat that i didnt claim o-o.

ok well we are dylan faden right? remember jesse faden? who was that again?
we were informed of their existence (think about why for a moment)
AND there is something in jesse's role that confirms another role exists ......
and that is [REDACTED]

put the pieces together yourself.

-noraa

ffs Nora.

Fine we finish mass claim.
We are Dylan Faden, an informed enabling [redacted].
We are informed Jesse Faden is present in game. We passively enable Jesse's abilities.
That I'm aware in flavour Dylan is corrupted af/Hiss aligned and final fate is he's left comatose - and honestly that i've read it would appear anti-FBC which is why my insistance is what it was.

With that said pending any counter claim

WE ARE HARD CLEAR.

-Pinkie the grumpy bear.

I dont think you're scum but how is this clearing, and also how is it finishing massclaim if you're still leaving something out?

Really Ceph? like seriously really?

Are you actually asking this or is this just for shiggs?

[The Three Bears]

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

This day is painful, just painful.
Are we to vote someone out.
Cus i'm ready too.

VOTE: Andante

Can't believe I'm going to say this...

If we're wrong today it's game.

As much as I'm sold on Andante, I'm having other questions about my reads.

We are not hammering until we have a plan, am I clear?

We have time to use and honestly at this point it's best using it.

Momma Bear wants to do some VCA and look over some stuff, and I will buy her all the time she needs.

This is Pinkies town now.

-Pinkie.

[The Three Bears]

Can I get a list of everyone's stances?

#busy

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

and someone mentioned this is the only game her and dunn played together so that "strong" scum read feels off now

me! i said that :00000

[The Three Bears]

alright mala's recent posts are so towny oh my lord. i guess i still struggle with understanding why scum nked there but im certain in mala town now at least.
i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum. third scum is the issue. cephrir or mastina

[The Three Bears]

i wasnt planning on saying this but a while ago flea said roden's claim was likely a strong power role. idk if thats an issue but it would take quite some convincing to swap my roden town read around.
norwee i get wishy washy paranoia on but i think town anyways.

[The Three Bears]

i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum

next time i want to post i'll just shout into an empty void instead, the effect will be similar

ok fine. i'll listen to you. who is the scum team. name three people who all arent andante.

[The Three Bears]

ok well tell me why andante isnt hammered then

[The Three Bears]

it means out of andante and norwee there must be scum. why is norwee a "if i have one wrong, it's norwee"

[The Three Bears]

alright mala's recent posts are so towny oh my lord. i guess i still struggle with understanding why scum nked there but im certain in mala town now at least.
i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum. third scum is the issue. cephrir or mastina

From what I understand, STD may have just successfully used his gifted BG shot.

no thats what i meant. i dont understand why mala was the nk.

[The Three Bears]

sigh. ceph i really dont trust you this game.

[The Three Bears]

every flipped town has called you scum and somehow you're alive in elo. i really dont think you're town here.

[The Three Bears]

we sort of forgot about the inventor existing. i think i thought it was toog and then in the mess of the fakeclaim and everything, completely forgot everything @_@

[The Three Bears]

id comprise and go tictac

but thats prob it for me

{tic, andante & mastina}

are where the scum liez

why is cephrir town

[The Three Bears]

sigh. ceph i really dont trust you this game.

i had noticed

every flipped town has called you scum and somehow you're alive in elo. i really dont think you're town here.

this isn't true. catboi and std werent particularly suspicious of me, toog thinks i'm town, twie/galron barely gave any reads at all, nor were most of the elimed town players. it's just mush, bell, and you've blown up lld & tet's few posts on the subject in your head imo

also, we can TALK TO THE DEAD and no one is in there screaming to kill me!!!

catboi was checked out. ok for std
toogs reads are terrible. you said so yourself earlier i believe
twie and galron were flashwagoned for being low content basically?

mush, bell, lld, and tet is plenty.

[The Three Bears]

id comprise and go tictac

but thats prob it for me

{tic, andante & mastina}

are where the scum liez

why is cephrir town

i'm more convinced of mastina scum than ceph scum

why

[The Three Bears]

we got a letter. and then i will reiterate again that our role is confirmable. tictac suggesting we elim us is strictly antitown. i think we claim today for sure but as for when, i will need to hear from my hydra buddies.

-noraa

How are you confirmable?

i have the impulse to just claim but my buddies arent here hmm. i will give some very very obvious hints that way i can tell my hydra chat that i didnt claim o-o.

ok well we are dylan faden right? remember jesse faden? who was that again?
we were informed of their existence (think about why for a moment)
AND there is something in jesse's role that confirms another role exists ......
and that is [REDACTED]

put the pieces together yourself.

-noraa

ffs Nora.

Fine we finish mass claim.
We are Dylan Faden, an informed enabling [redacted].
We are informed Jesse Faden is present in game. We passively enable Jesse's abilities.
That I'm aware in flavour Dylan is corrupted af/Hiss aligned and final fate is he's left comatose - and honestly that i've read it would appear anti-FBC which is why my insistance is what it was.

With that said pending any counter claim

WE ARE HARD CLEAR.

-Pinkie the grumpy bear.

I dont think you're scum but how is this clearing, and also how is it finishing massclaim if you're still leaving something out?

Really Ceph? like seriously really?

Are you actually asking this or is this just for shiggs?

I have no idea what you're talking about

I have no idea what you're actually saying here so the confusion is both ways.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum

next time i want to post i'll just shout into an empty void instead, the effect will be similar

Your toxicity is really beginning to grate on me.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

i dont understand why mala was the nk.

who says she was?

Says the BG invention and dead fruit vendor in a game with unknown multitasking rules.

[The Three Bears]

I hate the no lim

bc all of what is going to happen is i'm going to die

and you'll STILL be in this same situtation

WITH LEGIT NO RESULT

SO NO

WE
ARE
NOT
NO
LIMMING

^This.
-Pinkie.

[The Three Bears]

i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum

next time i want to post i'll just shout into an empty void instead, the effect will be similar

Your toxicity is really beginning to grate on me.

-Pinkie

This isn't toxic

On its own, no.
With the rest of what you've been putting, yes.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

andante what the fuck do you mean you care about self preservation

[The Three Bears]

we are in elo. self preservation means nothing. you need to find scum and eliminate scum or we LOSE.

[The Three Bears]

do you not understand that?

[The Three Bears]

btw @bears i was saying i don't understand why you're saying part of your role is redacted. i dont understand what that means. are you just refusing to claim it or am i missing something

the role pm says we are enabling [REDACTED]
its just the flavor of the game.
we all know catboi was a vig now because he flipped but we didnt know that when we got the role pm.
is something unclear

[The Three Bears]

ok, what if we just yeet tictac here? cause if tictac is town, no way we're winning this?

VOTE: tic tac

ticTac should've been yesterday tbh, shouldn't let an ascetic live this long.

[The Three Bears]

ok, what if we just yeet tictac here? cause if tictac is town, no way we're winning this?

VOTE: tic tac

ticTac should've been yesterday tbh, shouldn't let an ascetic live this long.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

Game Notes

Full Role PMs flip upon death, with possible redactions.
All PTs that exist are open at all times, including pregame.

-You know that another presence in the game is keeping the Service Weapon functional. Should they die, you will lose access to its powers.

I gave our fullclaim.
We knew we enabled Jesse, we don't know what we enabled.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

I am only voting Andante at this point, TicTac should've gone sooner.
We are not ending this day until Titus is able to do the thing.

And lets face it, the Moon Logic Queen is going to nail this.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

I am only voting Andante at this point

if you're town, that is not good.

If you're town, you know that's not a good argument.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

What is a real!mold world?

world where mold is real.

no qh -> min 1 scum in [andan,mala,norw] -> min 1 town in [bears,mastina,roden] -> mold is real -> this thing actually needs solving

*Pinkie sighs heavily*

[The Three Bears]

im so disengaged its not even funny. but like atp im just like ok so tictac and andante are scum. everything else can just wait.
i dont know. i literally dont know.
mala says its norwee
massy says cephrir
cephrir says massy
i dont fukcing know. all i know is that andante and tictac are scum and if we lose to massy/cephrir/norwee, whatever. all i think right now is lets just murder obvscum and leave everythign else to tomorrow.

i think titus is still pretty busy but idk

[The Three Bears]

actually how about we kill tictac first.

[The Three Bears]

they've been bothering me since day 1. im dying to know if that read was right and im pretty sure it was.

[The Three Bears]

i guess i still have paranoia on andante. like what if mastina and ceph are scum together. i would cry.

[The Three Bears]

Andante (2) - Malakittens, NorwegianboyEE
tictac (2) - Cephrir, Andante

oh actually both of these are scum nevermind lmao.

[The Three Bears]

lets kill andante actually. the vc is more damning for her.

[The Three Bears]

lets kill andante actually. the vc is more damning for her.

I'd get tictac first

ur scum buddy can get an extra day haha

agh

[The Three Bears]

if you agree it's me and tictac, why can't we get tictac first?

because you are too obvscum.

[The Three Bears]

and you ahve been for the past eternity. the fact that you even made it to elo is an accomplishment in and of iteself. you played a good scum game.

[The Three Bears]

who cares? obvscum is still scum and i'll take it.

[The Three Bears]

if you are town (which you arent), the game was lost a long time ago for you.
luckily you are scum and you're up against very incompetent town (me) so you might still win from the dead thread.

[The Three Bears]

you need to accept that at this point, no one is dying today but you.
you're entirely arguing the wrong things. if you were town, norwee would have to be scum but you aren't even arguing that. instead you are telling us to kill tictac.

[The Three Bears]

also in the future, keep in mind that TSTBS has to be mentioned by other players first. if you mention it yourself, it doesn't get you townreads.

[The Three Bears]

Mala isn’t saying it’s me…

someone said it was you ugh idr who.

[The Three Bears]

But Andante/Tictac? No.

agreed

[The Three Bears]

but Andante town? Impossible.

+1

[The Three Bears]

i mean yea. still don't know if i'm just waiting to see if i get speedhammered, since still no mastina-post.
the impatience 4 yeet is u/bears mayybe andan (if not on block) thing tho.

ur scumbuddy is literally on your wagon. how are you going to get speedhammered by 1 scum vote @_@

[The Three Bears]

I've been here like "people, imagine I'm town for 1 second, who is maf"

yeah and you'd be ok killing anyone here over yourself. that is not townie mindset.
town always keep the game as a priority. yes town you dying = game over but killing someone would is town also doesnt win the game.
you know fucking well that there is more obvtown than just cephrir (who isnt even obvtown)
but town you is just so ok with killing any town as long as its not you
thats not how town works

[The Three Bears]

NORAA READ METER RESULT: SCUM
alright i'll leave you alone now. we're voting you as soon as titus finishes via

[The Three Bears]

*vca

[The Three Bears]

VOTE: mastina

Hi.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

That's the main draw from my VCA.

mastina is the only possible scum on too many wagons.

[The Three Bears]

Bears is obvtown from all three heads;

noraa maybe. pinkie, very much not.
like andante raction to pink push so understandable from my pow.
totally possible that it's actually mania and not motivated reasoning tho, but i dunno how to tell the two/the combo apart.

Bears is basically conftown from role;

they claimed conftown and it wasn't true.

Bears is molded when mold is a scum ability; Bears cannot be scum.

like scum has an abiliity that conftowns people and they used it 3 times?
really?

You would know yourself to be town (and I believe it); you have been molded; you are not scum.
I am town; I have been molded; I am not scum.

uhh

You have no idea how my mania influences my game, just saying

Whta about our role doesn't confirm us to you?

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

Whta about our role doesn't confirm us to you?

the part where enabler can be either align. (and titus at least is well aware of this fact ref)

maf enabler to town role is anti-swing
town enabler is neg-util 4 town.
s why i still care about getting rodens claim, cause having it would give some idea which one it's likely to be.

OK, we're informed that Jesse is in the game and we're enabling her.
I think it's pretty clear I fell into the wiki pretty hard.

At what do point do any of us go looking for Jesse, knowing that role likely has the Service Weapon and is probably a vig as scum.

I'll wait.

-Pinkie the glare bear

[The Three Bears]

Norwee, Momma Bear wants you to have a little patience, all will be clear with time

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

No, but that Jesse has an in-game enabler is and we have claimed that to no CC.

We have openly claimed we are flavoured as someone who is Hiss aligned and someone whose fate at the end of the game is comatose and from the wiki seems incredibly antagonistic.

You're asetic, if we're talking pro-town vs neg-town you absolutely should not be alive at this stage of the game.

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

Tictac you're not even dying today stop stressing so hard over this. Andante is dying today.

[The Three Bears]

pretty sure momma bear just wanted reactions.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

@Cephrir, Why are you scumreading mastina? Sorry if I missed it.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

UNVOTE: mastina

Hydra wants to talk more.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

We'll talk more after my trial where I can sick my teeth into the game.

However, I do feel there's an optimal way to play elo.

1) People place fake votes.
2) When someone gets fake hammered, they place the real first vote.

This ensures that scummy slots vote first and gives us the greatest chance to survive elo.

Hardly anyone follows this, but it is very optimal.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

it seems to make sense to me. im not sure if it'll help my reads but it sounds like it logically checks out

HURT: andante

[The Three Bears]

How does one place a fake vote? I dont think that's even legal.

Fake Vote: John Doe

The mod knows it's fake. The idea is to just fake hammer to force a slot to vote first. If they refuse, they'll be the elimination.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

I genuinely have no idea what you are saying Titus.

*sigh*

A fake vote indicates who someone wants to vote in elo.
A fake hammer puts a town slot on notice that they need to vote scum and convince us or lose the game. It forces a scum slot to either a) vote someone to try and survive or b) refuse as a correct elimination.
Town as a whole gets only scummy people voting first which narrows our focus and stops a deep wolf scum from forcing a miselimination.

We can control the game in elo this way and make it much harder, but not impossible for scum to quickhammer as we must fake hammer a townie and that townie must vote wrong.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

ok titus didnt explain this to me but what i think this thing is about is basically
all the people who get "voted out" (fake) are the scummiest and we have them vote first
basically what momma bear wants is so that the towny people dont vote and then get pile hammered by the scum team. So momma bear wants the scummy people to vote first so we get to choose?
idk something like that

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

so we have scummy people vote so we never risk 2 town votes on town + scum pile on = hammer and elo mislim

idk thats what i think this whole thing is about but correct me if im wrong momma bear

[The Three Bears]

True. Plus a deep wolf can't just vote a scummy townie and force a victory that way.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

Because of me, but I am ok ending the day now. My case goes to the jury tomorrow which frees up more time to focus here.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

i think the team is just [cephrir, andante, tictac]
it could have mastina instead of cephrir or tictac but no matter what, andante should die today because no matter which one of the scummy players might be town, andante cant be.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

waiting on a nod from flea and then im voting andante.

[The Three Bears]

VOTE: andante

approved by the faerie bear

[The Three Bears]

Roden was maf? dang

>.>

Roden you did good though!! I like actually had you as a strong TR until today's voting me after the interaction case thing... but up through that. a solid tr

<.<

i definitely believe all of these posts. oh 100%

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

not that is matters, cause I'm gonna be dead soon enough

you could save us all the time and self hammer.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

shrug ok we'll just all wait then

[The Three Bears]

nah we're flipping scum today

[The Three Bears]

ehhhh yeeting me ends the game... unless there's only 2 scum left... tbh 2 scum is our only shot at winning this at this point

if you are really town, then we deserve to lose this for leaving you alive until elo. tictac as well. anyone else is more understandable but this elo is just really unfortunate

[The Three Bears]

ehhhh yeeting me ends the game... unless there's only 2 scum left... tbh 2 scum is our only shot at winning this at this point

if you are really town, then we deserve to lose this for leaving you alive until elo. tictac as well. anyone else is more understandable but this elo is just really unfortunate

this is a pretty silly take. leaving town players alive isnt a mistake

yeah it is if the town players in question are tictac and andante. like that is a game losing elo period.

[The Three Bears]

ceph is going to look extra terrible after this scum flip tbh. oh well thats a problem for another day

[The Three Bears]

It's your job as a town aligned player to suss out even the harder to read town players

Also, much the same could be said about grendel and galron

no, tictac and andante literally never survive this elo unless they do something insane to change the SRs that have been on them for all of this game. And I TRed Galron. Grendel was a terrible wagon and the same could not be said because they were a pr.

[The Three Bears]

I mean if scum is all trolling after they won, that would be stupid so andante is just scum.

[The Three Bears]

And I TRed Galron.

You can't just say that after the fact... you've made it very known you SR me, I don't remember anyone but mastina going "galron for sure town!!!"

shrug i beleive i did say it at some point but im not going to dig it out. the thing is that all of my reads this game have been spot on except my hydra hasnt agreed with all of them so i haven't fought for them as hard as i probably should have.

[The Three Bears]

thats not the only reason ofc but our reads have been jumbled overall.

[The Three Bears]

UGHHHHHH im gonna cri

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

how the fuck did that flip town. sigh. alright.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

there really is only two scum left. interesting. anyways i'll be back after a concert. im busy rn.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

no votes for now preferably especially from town.

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

Fake Vote: tictac

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

agh i spent hours writing up nominations for my teachers to get the two awards my school gives out and now im sleepy. see you all tomorrow ig

[The Three Bears]

Pinkie doin a driveby.

As far as I'm concerned Mold is 3p confirmed now. Nobody molded is clear. honestly I kinda hate it was set as a scum ability and I know I sucked into that.

Town elimination order needs to be red red 3p as the best we can get here is a draw.

Currently we're at 3/2/1 is my reckoning with most of us molded.

6 players alive.
- Hit red
- - Day start with 2/1/1 into 1/0/1 causing Town/3P draw.

- Hit 3P
- - Mafia win with parity 2/2

- Hit Town
- - Day start with 1/2/1 - Town loss.


Correct me if I'm wrong, i'm frazzled from a day of larping and screaming in friends face then pirouetting with a polearm cleaver type weapon and bopping baddies.

-Pinkie out.

[The Three Bears]

Andante was scummy af i have no regrets over pushing that elimination as hard as I did.

tictac should absolutely not have been allowed to stay alive until this point as an asectic claim - need to see if that was claimed as early as it should have been tbh

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

to be honest, without mala here i have no townreads anymore.

[The Three Bears]

like i genuinely just cant see a world with town tictac but i couldnt see it with andante either so its like uh ok noraa

[The Three Bears]

morale has been dead for a hot second now and TBH im also glad andante is gone. andante would die today and lose us the game if not.
we're probs losing anyways but still.

[The Three Bears]

also im debating whether i should be townlocking ceph for the townread on andante or if it was just tmi.
im leaning the former for some weird reason

[The Three Bears]

dead thread pm probably went to scum tbh. or dead thread decided to make the really smart move of sending it to the most obvious nightkill in the world.

[The Three Bears]

probably nk actually sicne scum would just claim it for towncred i think?

[The Three Bears]

no i definitely still think ceph is scum @_@

[The Three Bears]

ceph/norwe?!
ceph/mastina?!?!?!
ceph/tictac?
ceph/roden??

UGH idk. like the main thing is that flea seemed to think rodens flavor was important and strictly town. so we thought it would be a pr. but ig it also makes sense that it isnt since looking back at claims, most prs were objects of power rather than like people. There were some outliers but im guessing polaris isnt as prominent of a character as say jesse faden

ceph feels pocket-y this game. And atp i've come to accept that i think i would think this regardless of ceph's alignment so it feels very nullish to me. whether or not he is scum probably doesnt have much to do with my sr because it would be there even if he was town.

norwee is technically not clear in the sense that he got added to the neighborhood and told that catboi was vig the night catboi died. kind of suspicious in hindsight given catboi seemed like the right nightkill but then scum killed bell. That is actually really suspicious now that i think about it. oh wait idk if im mixing stuff up in my head but did norwee get neighbored the night bell died? because if he did, that might be a scumclaim given catboi probably told norwee that bell was in a hood so bell dying would make sense that way with norwee scum. i guess if that were the case catboi would've told us but im paranoid af

mastina has been giving me paranoia for a while. i dont know. like her reads were good good good and then they just went totally downhill. i need to revisit her day 1 reads with the current flips in mind

[The Three Bears]

idk thats a thought dump from me. hoping to generate some content. i hate losing games that i talk a lot in because its a trend across games. lets please try to win this one to break that streak.

noraa

[The Three Bears]

Bell
Save The Dragons

The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
NorwegianboyEE

Tet

Roden
tictac

Malakittens
Lady Lambdadelta

Dwlee99
Princess Elodie
Greeting

T3

MUSHSHAGANA
Toogeloo

Galron
MegAzumarill

Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)

Ircher

Cephrir

Kinda surprised that I genuinely have a good readslist from literally just two pages but this is genuinely seriously actually a good readslist imo.

[The Three Bears]

idk thats a thought dump from me. hoping to generate some content. i hate losing games that i talk a lot in because its a trend across games. lets please try to win this one to break that streak.

noraa

i forgot tictac but yeah that was a day 1 SR of mine. i ... dont know how to read tictac for the most part. like i feel like i have a certain level of ability there but its hard to say with very few games with them. they definitely have a scummier playstyle IN GENERAL so that probably hurts my read on them.

[The Three Bears]

basically what the above posts are are the counterarguments for all of my reads from yesterday. idk im very lost right now because i do feel like scum could be anyone at this point and i hate this feeling.

[The Three Bears]

no i was saying that you might have heard that bell was in the other hood so you would've thought bell was vig because of that. anyways you were added after that

[The Three Bears]

why do you townread us norwee?

[The Three Bears]

While I feel like Ircher is scum, I am honor-bound to defend him on this point in spite of how it'd potentially weaken my standing in terms of pushing Ircher as scum, in that Ircher doing the multiquote with things that are on-point is actually his town meta.

this was directed at galron

[The Three Bears]

ok i've decided. after my tests, tuesday night, im going to read all of day 1.

[The Three Bears]

i wanna know why you think we're town

[The Three Bears]

Mastina show me a world in which town can win here.

-Pinkie.

[The Three Bears]

Actually ima just put the money where my mouth is.
I 100% agree with the opinion that Tictac has to be scum here.
I know there has been townflips earlier but Galron did indeed fake claim when he shouldn’t have, and Andante i feel would have been the lim today on an Tictac!scumflip anyways.
So my reads are not really proven to have been wrong based on those flips. It’s just unlucky distractions imo. So i don’t see the need to re-evaluate away from Tictac!scum. So i say, kill Tictac today. Find the partner tommorow.
VOTE: Tictac

Didn't I just lay out a plan that would force tictac to vote first?

Please pay attention.

My homicide trial is done. I'm very annoyed though as this gives me little confidence in anyone's ability to follow instructions.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

I detailed about fake voting to force the scummy people to vote first.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

Mastina show me a world in which town can win here.

Easy; eliminating two scum in a row. Ideally mold-source-scum first.

It's really not that hard. You just need to eliminate the scum.

I am aware Ceph just cased tictac as scum. I'm ambivalent about whether it's genuinely not scum-scum or if it's scum distancing, but I actually think that no matter what, tictac is the right elimination here. The only world where tictac isn't scum is if it's Cephrir + Roden, but I seem to recall midgame interactions that very strongly suggest that wouldn't be the case.

I can go back to verify these on Thursday to be sure, but I just think that tictac's the best elimination here by far.

So you're treating this as 2vs4?

-Pinkie

[The Three Bears]

btw i currently think roden is one of the remaining scum. ik i said i'd read yesterday but ii was too moody yesterday, will try today

-noraa

[The Three Bears]

So you're treating this as 2vs4?

Yes.

There's three possible worlds.

World number one: mold is a scum ability. That means it is a 2v4. So the correct option is to treat it as such.

World number two: mold is a 3p ability, but the 3p is non-malevolent. In that situation, the 3p is not a threat to the town and I can't think of a single player here who, if they were 3p (barring tictac but tictac is just scum), hasn't shown genuine scumhunting. You, Norwee, Roden, Ceph, all have shown what, if you were 3p, would be real scumhunting. So the 3p in this scenario still helps the town in eliminating the scum, tictac.

World number three: mold is a 3p ability, and is malevolent. In this situation, we still aim for eliminating scum, and leave eliminating the mold to the last remaining scum. We, admittedly, cannot prevent the malevolent mold from winning on its own by votes, but presumably, the scum would not be able to win with the mold either and thus would need to eliminate the mold in order to win.

In all three worlds, we aim to eliminate two scum. And I still believe we are in the first world.

I detailed about fake voting to force the scummy people to vote first.

Oh, that.

Well, it seems tictac is refusing to play along, given...

lets see if sanity has a chance here
VOTE: no yeet

This is a scumclaim from tictac.

It's refusing to take a stance.
It's refusing to do what you asked.

And more than that? Given the mold claims, it's also a scumclaim since a no-yeet would allow for another player to get molded, not to mention, another player to be nightkilled.

There is absolutely 0 reasons for a town player to vote no-yeet so this is just tictac trying to cut losses.

OK, so why in your mind is Tictac not been yeet yet as an ascetic who should've been gone long ago, and do you think the power balance and flips indicates a 4 person scumteam?
What do you think the mold actually does? If you're aware of the lore around it, do you see it matching up?

[The Three Bears]

give me a moment. i want to read through some stuff today. week has been hectic and im also just like ugh i dont want to read this game. but i do feel like i should so i will in a bit.

[The Three Bears]

No More

Grendel

MegAzumarill

- Eliminated Day 1 -

The X-Ray Lightbox, a 3-shot Tracker Object of Power aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Ircher - Eliminated Day 2 -

The Anchor, a Destabilizing Entity aligned with The Paranatural Entities

Val89

T3

- Killed Night 2 -

Alan Wake, a Writer aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Lady Lambdadelta - Killed Night 2 -

The Home Safe, a Protecting Object of Power aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

TheWayItEnds

Princess Elodie

- Eliminated Day 3 -

The Floppy Disk, a Vanilla Object of Power aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Tet - Killed Night 3 -

Emily Pope, a 3-shot Flavor Cop Scientist aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Dunnstral

Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)

- Eliminated Day 4 -

Essej, a Reflexively Absorbing Entity aligned with The Paranatural Entities

Bell - Killed Night 4 -

Ahti, a Neighborizing [REDACTED] aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Nero Cain

MUSHSHAGANA

- Killed Night 4 -

Director Northmoor, a Vanilla Director aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Galron - Eliminated Day 5 -

The Hotline, a Communicating Object of Power aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

catboi

Greeting

- Killed Night 5 -

Jesse Faden, a 2-shot Even Enabled Vigilante Director aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Toogeloo - Eliminated Day 6 -

Dr. Darling, a Vanilla Scientist aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Save The Dragons - Killed Night 6 -

The Moving Letters, a Letter Vending Altered Item aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Andante

Dwlee99

- Eliminated Day 7 -

Simon Arish, a Vanilla Operative aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

Malakittens - Killed Night 7 -

The Board, an Inventing [REDACTED] aligned with The Federal Bureau of Control

[The Three Bears]

ok im starting my day 1 reread. i wont be rereading anything else but i think day 1 probably has some important info

[The Three Bears]

moving kind of slowly but im going to summarize the important poitns from my point of view

[The Three Bears]

Part 1:

LLD jumps on Ceph. She claims that Ceph has good reads as town but struggles to push them through. Bell and Mush support the wagon but don't sound as convinced. Ceph is accused of being too "fun" because he drew a red role pm. Ceph's reaction to her push is pretty laid back and she SRs that as well.

Important: Ircher defends Cephrir from LLD and replies to a post cephrir makes calling bell town. Ircher says it's too early to coin bell as town.

The SRs on Ceph continue andn Ircher votes Mush who is one of the pushers of Ceph. Dunn then votes Bell.

Norwee susses Cephrir and ircher says he "brings up a good point but i still like my vote"

Bottom of page 5. It is not looking good for cephrir.

[The Three Bears]

Currently I am thinking: Why would scum all be defending town on page 5 for no reason? It doesn't seem like a very good idea because getting cephrir on their side really doesn't help them much. Like cephrir is a good player but it doesnt seem like he has very much influence as a town player typically (based off what LLD said) Why would pocketing cephrir be a worthy use of scum's time instead of just letting the SRs build up a little and see what's going on.

Side note: Im going to try to move faster because i want to get this read done TONIGHT instead of dragging into tomorrow because i have a ton of stuff to do tomorrow. The summaries are going to be shorter but i will try to get all the details in.
I'm goign to end tonights work with an iso of cephrir.

[The Three Bears]

Part 2:

Scum's interactions with norwee all do not feel aligned. I will keep looking out for that. But so far, both ircher and dunn's direct interactions with Norwee have felt really good.
Like Dunn and Ircher interactions feel very yucky but i guess im vaguely worried that is just me knowing it is SvS and thinking oh damn thats scummy.

But honestly, post 154 does not feel directed at a buddy. It feels like an attempt to connect in a simple way with a member of the town.

Ceph starts sussing Mush after i jump in and call mush scummy.

[The Three Bears]

Part 3:

Cephrir scumreads me after my case on mush scum. interesting to note. Up until here tictac hasnt appeared again after claiming ascetic. I have to give it to cephrir that the SR on me feels somewhat legit. I definitely feel like town ceph would scumread me here. I'm not sure if that makes him town but that's there.

Masy comes in again with her proxying vote to LLD thing. She claims she wont vote LLD until day 5 and will give LLD her vote barring a guilty.

Norwee calls Mush town after Mush vs noraa

Fenny says this is his first time TRing Norwee. I think that says something but im not quite sure what atm

[The Three Bears]

I wish i knew who tet was. im not sure what to think of their reads because i dont know who they are

[The Three Bears]

After the reaction test, Norwee says i feel like an utterly betrayed dude and am town. I need to meta check that norwee wasnt in a game where someone said that.

Fenrir calls norwee so town after that. My expereince with Fenny's reads is that they aren't always the best but confident reads should hold more weight i think.

oh fuck dunns posts in arcade pals were so scummy ahhhhhhhhhhh. i was literally just glazing over them because my two braincells couldnt put two and two together and realize it was dunnstral ahhhh

[The Three Bears]

i wonder if norwee scum would be scared of me.

[The Three Bears]

someone who is decent at flavor unpack what post 57 means. Cephrir can you explain why you made that post

[The Three Bears]

can i get a list of claims also? Flavor also please.

[The Three Bears]

Ircher and Norwee interactions still really good. Atp I think im ready to just locktown Norwee.
I may do some meta but these interactions do not look like SvS and i see no reason why ircher and dunn would both interact this naturally with a scum buddy given how poorly they've done in terms of associations so far.

[The Three Bears]

Man my crumb game is on fire right now.

my crumb game on fire too

-baby bear

You guys are crumbTRACKERing?

this is like the first time ever i tr norwee and everyone's sus on him smh

Last time this happened weren't you opposing scum factions??


Also don't burn the crumbs -.-;

-Pinkie Bear

Fenny's crumb game on FIRE

-baby bear

This joke has been enabled far too long.

~Mama

BTW I totally forgot about this but we actually crumbed omg. i totally forgot about that ahhh

[The Three Bears]

ok i have to do stuff for the next half hour. Then i have a hlaf hour of free time. The half hour after that im busy. And then i'll have more free time. I am definitely not finishing tonight at this rate ugh

[The Three Bears]

Oh wait i got it wrong. i haveanother half hour of free time rn. THE NEXT half hour i've got stuff. Ok ok imma go through ceph's iso rn.

[The Three Bears]

Cephs reads:
Bell town
Bears SL
Mush SL
Greeting town
Roden scum -> vote roden
Mastina SL
Galron SL
Mastina Null - "becomes obvious with time"
Mush slight TL

agh ok this isnt helpful. im goign to meta ceph instead

[The Three Bears]

uh fuck. metaing ceph really didnt help. i just find him scummy every game goddamnit

[The Three Bears]

i need a break. my brain is so fried

[The Three Bears]

i have a random thought. what if the scum team is mastina + cephrir. that would be fucking wild. im also very fucking brainfried rn on every fucking level. so excuse me while i spew nonsense.

i feel like my braincells are dying.

[The Three Bears]

im also very annoyed. i wanted to power through shit today but i made it through 20 pages and want to go take a nap. ugh how do town powerhouses do this all the time. how the fuck do they do it ughhhh

[The Three Bears]

grrrrr ok whatever im gonna do other stuff and i'll be back hopefully ugh. anyways

[The Three Bears]

ok im back half an hour is up and im finished with what i was doing. still brainfried though so imma do other stuff for a bit

[The Three Bears]

Man my crumb game is on fire right now.

my crumb game on fire too

-baby bear

You guys are crumbTRACKERing?

this is like the first time ever i tr norwee and everyone's sus on him smh

Last time this happened weren't you opposing scum factions??


Also don't burn the crumbs -.-;

-Pinkie Bear

Fenny's crumb game on FIRE

-baby bear

This joke has been enabled far too long.

~Mama

man i hope this vote isnt just end game here. i hope very much that this vote cracks the game open instead of just ending the whole game.

[The Three Bears]

I am still considering Roden as scum

I'm strongly considering this as well ngl.

[The Three Bears]

anyways i have to sat prep and im kind of in the mafia mood so i think i'll be back for content dump number two later tonight

[The Three Bears]

except it really doesnt?

[The Three Bears]

OH wait hold up that was actually e-1 oml.

Ok so basically tic tac is scum with roden or scum is bussing. or both scum are on the wagon.

ugh i was thinking this would clear people but it doesnt even help? like no shit roden and i arent the team. Oh actually it means that roden and i cant be scum with anyone but tictac. ok ok honestly that is sexy as heck. Roden is probably town then?

[The Three Bears]

wait hold up. we are town.
so that means that tictac did not hammer because tictac isnt town? hold up. hold up.
if tictac is town, that means scum is all on wagon.
if tictac is scum, it is with roden.

INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Three Bears]

logic is failing me today but i think that is correct. tictac is either scum with roden or town with both scum on him.

[The Three Bears]

so basically its either roden + tictac
OR
its
mastina + cephrir
OR
mastina + norwee
OR
cephrir + mastina

Except norwee is town

So its either tictac + Roden
OR
mastina + cephrir

OOOOOOOOOOH

[The Three Bears]

Norwee come over here. Let's huddle and talk.

[The Three Bears]

actually we'll talk tomorrow im sleepy.
either way, we all agree the team is not us and tictac, as a game yeah?
if that option is off the table
scum team is either roden + tictac
or 2 out of [Norwee, mastina, cephrir]

This game is halfway solved ey

[The Three Bears]

oh wait wait technically tictacs buddy could be bussing. hold up im confused again

[The Three Bears]

so if mastina was scum with tictac for example, then that means two town are on there and two town are off.

UGH we cant poe here UGH. damnit. it doesnt work. im sad.

[The Three Bears]

ok it just means tictac cannot be town with roden scum.
tictac can be town with roden town
they can be scum buddies
tictac can be scum with roden town

but tictac cannot be town with roden scum

[The Three Bears]

ok nvm my brain is just dead. i'll be back tomorrow @_@

[The Three Bears]

Wait no if roden is scum, he has to be scum with tictac. or he's town.
OK i think that logic makes sense.
Like if roden were scum with any of [norwee, massy, ceph], tictac would be dead. so roden has to be scum with tictac or town.

ok ok what are the chances honestly. but also roden saying tictac red makes him green is a little fishy in hindsight. grrrr i hate my paranoia. anyways roden do not vote right now. no one vote. im uneasy about mastina votes but it wont hammer over because scum team is not roden/norwee. roden is only ever scum with tictac.

[The Three Bears]

Mastina realistically could only be scum with Norwee, which has been disproven by the current votes.

explain why massy can only be scum with norwee. and how its disproven

[The Three Bears]

Norwee come over here. Let's huddle and talk.

What you wanna talk about?

if you are town,

the only possible teams are [roden, mastina, cephrir] + tictac
or mastina + cephrir.

rank the four choices in terms of how likely they are

[The Three Bears]

I feel like whoever is scum in Mastina/Ceph is already TMI’ing that the true battle will be between them tommorow.
Tictac is just the fall guy.

its also possible that both are scum and tictac is the town elim that ends the game.

[The Three Bears]

and likely two, I'd bet roden will be leaving us tonight

that would be very stupid lmao but if scum wanna lower the mislim options for town, do it lololol. i've got no complaints.

[The Three Bears]

It spurned Bears into high gear

actually free time spurred me into high gear? it didnt have anything to do with the E-1

[The Three Bears]

ok time to analyze more of ircher and dunns posts from day 1. I think this will be a good use of me time.