American Gods Mafia - Game over

[Saint]

On to another subject. Saint claimed to have been roleblocked, last night there was one less kill, coincidence?

Sacrifice Saint

wtf

learn how to read
I said "looking at the setup there is

likely

a roleblocker"

[LlamaFluff]

@Llama: Are you saying there is another source you gain info on people from?

There could be, im trying to not claim what my role is right now since there is no reason to do so. My information is important however.

I either

1) Am an investigative role with a not scum result on AGar
2) Was told due to AGars role that he is not scum
3) Was told by a different role that AGar is not scum

All three scenarios say that AGar is not scum, which is the point im trying to drive home now.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

On to another subject. Saint claimed to have been roleblocked, last night there was one less kill, coincidence?

Sacrifice Saint

wtf

learn how to read
I said "looking at the setup there is

likely

a roleblocker"

^this guy is not town
calling it now

[WrathChild]

I'm fine sacrificing or lynching MoI
When we decide which one, I will vote. I don't want us to miss out of sacrificing and getting back a watcher that we can use, the problem is with the setup I am seeing there is VERY LIKELY TO BE A ROLEBLOCKER.

I'm sorry I misread the giant capitalized letters as you saying that you were roleblocked. How silly of me. If you were truely just speculating based on the setup why did you capitalize the words?

[WrathChild]

You weren't roleblocked Saint?

[Seacore]

unsacrifice AGar

Okay, I'm willing to go with Llama on this one. I'm happy with the level of claim. He's some how the recipient of knowledge, but doesn't want to declare how that happened. D3 that is fine.

Gaggle, you say Saint is not town. But it's Furc. he's just anti-town by nature, any reason why you think he drew a scum role rather than just his usual delerium? I mean, I'm fine to sacrifice him to get him out of the game, but I'd rather aim at somebody scummy.
At the moment, I'm starting to find LMP more and more scummy. I've seen him as town, as a mod, and he's usually better than this.
The 'scum points' he's finding on me, imo, are terrible.

His last point against me is me complaining that 4 people running the game based on what is said backstage without providing any information to the rest of us, is scummy. Really?
But fine. I'm not invited backstage. I obviously can't contribute as well because I don't have all this "secret knowledge". I hereby proxy my vote to Gaggle. The least scummy of people who have been backstage.

I await Gaggle's sacrifice vote and then I'll move mine there too.

And Gaggle, backstage has totally stopped a bunch of us scum hunting. Because we see scummy actions in thread, we start to make some votes in the direction, and then one of you guys says "oh no, I have secrets, don't vote them, I'll explain backstage"
I completely agree with AGar on this. Ironically, since AGar looked scummy to me until somebody said I couldn't vote for him.

[Jahudo]

”He didn’t know wines, so he bought a Californian cabernet, because Shadow had once seen a bumber-sticker, back when he was younger and people still had bumper stickers on their cars, which said LIFE is A CABERNET and it had made him laugh.”

Resurrection Vote Count

7 Votes Required

Apokalyptika (7) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, farside22, Seacore, OhGodMyLife, Locke Lamora, LynchMePls

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Sacrifice Vote Count

7 Votes Required

MagnaofIllusion (2) – OhGodMyLife, Locke Lamora
AGar (1) – farside22
Seacore (1) – Llamafluff
Kublai Khan (1) – LynchMePls
Saint (1) - WrathChild

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Lynch Vote Count

7 Votes Required

MagnaofIllusion (5) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, Seacore, farside22, AGar
AGar (1) – OhGodMyLife
Seacore (1) – LynchMePls

Not Voting (6):

MagnaofIllusion, SGRaaize, Saint, WrathChild, Locke Lamora, Kublai Khan

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Backstage Vote Count:

Top Four Players Go Backstage

A Gaggle of Geese (5) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, farside22, Seacore, LynchMePls
Locke Lamora (4) – Seacore, OhGodMyLife, Saint, Locke Lamora
Llamafluff (3) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, farside22
Seacore (3) – Seacore, Saint, Locke Lamora
Farside22 (3) – A Gaggle of Geese, farside22, LynchMePls
LynchMePls (3) – Llamafluff, OhGodMyLife, LynchMePls
OhGodMyLife (1) – OhGodMyLife
Saint (1) – Saint
Kublai Khan (1) – Locke Lamora

Not Voting (15): MagnaofIllusion x3, SGRaaize x3, Kublai Khan x3, AGar x3, WrathChild x3

Day 3 ends on April 12 at 6:00 PM EST

[WrathChild]

Along the same lines as Seacore's comments, what was Fate's super secret reason for OGML being town that he shared backstage? Now that Fate's dead is it a secret necessarily worth keeping?

[Seacore]

Yeah,
I mean, number of people I'd otherwise be voting/sacrificing but I'm being told I can't is 3.
First OGML, then Llama, then AGar.
Now I'm not saying I'd be right, but I'm feeling pretty crippled in my scum hunting. I mean, vote analysis kind of goes out the window when vetos are flying around.

[farside22]

Along the same lines as Seacore's comments, what was Fate's super secret reason for OGML being town that he shared backstage? Now that Fate's dead is it a secret necessarily worth keeping?

Fate believed that OGML used the wagon on himself to look for scum. Basically play bad and look for those who use crap reasons to vote.
He also thought OGML was pushing SGR for information not for mislynch. I think reading Fate's views he saw it as OGML trying to gain information from those that jumped on those wagons.

It was actually something I didn't think about and OGML hasn't really responded to those reads he had if any. OGML any thoughts on Fate's views or reads if any you had during day 1?

Llama: I'm wondering about Robot (TM's) game. That is where my question is leading too. Since you stated your looking at Agar I'm assuming not role cop since you didn't equate possible GF into your thought process. Also I'm still looking for an answer about Morph and my meta post of him. Did you read it, think about it or analysis it?

[Kublai Khan]

Today was another plan to vote for Fate and have in go nuts and fake that we had information.

What the hell is the point of that plan? How would you parse the reactions?

Ok, we still have not figured out how to use the Resurrect mechanic yet. You vote for a person to resurrect THEN you vote who to be sacrificed.

Sacrifice: MoI

WTF?

Unlike Agar I feel KK's FUCK BACKSTAGE thing seems faked. Insincere.

...?
WTF would be my gain from faking it?

What has backstage done to stop your scumhunting?

Are you shitting me? Do I really have to quote mine this game and come up with dozens of "We'll sort that out BS" and "X is town for backstage reasons" posts?

Mod: Prod MagnaofIllusion

This game is essentially stalling until he posts.

[Seacore]

MoI is typically away on weekends, so he should be back shortly. But a prod might help.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama: I'm wondering about Robot (TM's) game. That is where my question is leading too. Since you stated your looking at Agar I'm assuming not role cop since you didn't equate possible GF into your thought process. Also I'm still looking for an answer about Morph and my meta post of him. Did you read it, think about it or analysis it?

I realize the threat of a role that is not town and could show as town to an investigative role if that is what happened here. I am not going to discount a result on the possibility that such a role may exist. Buying into it at this stage in the game is nothing more than fearmongering.

I really dont see any good ani meta. Every time I have tried to read him, I just read scum. This game is different, so I am going with my gut of him simply not being scum. I will stay open in that since with him emotion gets in the way of reads, but I just see town this time.

[Saint]

WC I am not even going to claim if I CAN be roleblocked, let alone answer that fully.
You are reading like scum fishing to see if I have a Power Role, honestly.

[AGar]

No I'm saying I think KK's is fake. It looks fake. What has backstage done to stop your scumhunting?

To stop my scumhunting? Potential reads are squashed for whatever reason or another, and those of us who aren't sent backstage aren't given any reasoning. Here's four prime examples:

llama's gone from prob scum to prob town for the moment based on SECRETS though.

We're not lynching or sacrificing Seacore for obvious reasons + secret reasons kthx

In the words of Fate though, I will explain my read backstage.

No. We are not going to lynch AGar, or sacrafice AGar. I explain more backstage, but for now we leave him alive, it is going to be better in the long run.

LF finally cracked, and no he hasn't been backstage, but his aim was to keep this information from the general populus of the game at all costs, save letting me be lynched, and instead bring his information to the backstage session. Farside is the only one who has been at all open with backstage matters in this game at all. LMP has gone to fluff city since getting elected in both nights and the only other two players to go are dead. Fate was also pushing to keep information for backstage as opposed to out in the open.

Sacrifice: Saint

Resurrect: Apok

I think now's the optimal time to burn Saint.

[Saint]

sacrifice: AGar

I am like the most clear person in this game considering my interactions with Ythill, what the fuck are you all smoking?

[Saint]

unelect: Saint
elect: KK

[Saint]

vote: MoI

L-1

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yeah, life has fucked me over pretty hard since Saturday when I was engrossed in Marathon games …

I’ll keep this catch-up post shorter than normal because frankly I don’t see me not being lynched today given that the ‘Powers That Be’ have decided backstage that I’m scum.

I simply ask that you lynch me as opposed to sacrifice me since once I’m dead my alignment will be confirmed and there exists a possibility of my role being brought back later in the game.

Elect LMP, Farside and Agar
Revive Apoc
Sacrifice Saint

VOTE: OGML

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vote: MoI L-1

Claim immediately because I have role information that says your Sacrifice for Apok is a great move. And you are hoping to end the day via lynch before that can happen.

Once Saint responds I’ll fully claim my role.

WC I am not even going to claim if I CAN be roleblocked, let alone answer that fully.
You are reading like scum fishing to see if I have a Power Role, honestly.

You aren’t going to discuss whether you can be roleblocked? Good to know since the odds of a Town role that can’t be blocked are astronomically smaller than a Scum / SK role that can’t be.

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So we are going to completely ignore (apart from Gaggle) the hammer without a chance to claim?

Did you miss the hammer from MOI where he didn't allow a claim? How is did that not even registered to you?
Why is OGML scum in your view?

Funny that neither of you raised a peep that I could find Day 2 about SGR’s hammer without a claim on 00Icon. Yes, the results of my accidental hammer were worse than SGR’s. We both were not paying close enough attention. Yet his is apparently no big deal simply because it hit a VT.

Noted.

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Listen to me next time, please

No, listening to you would have been foolish. Now we resurrect the stronger role and still have another Ressurect to use closer to MYLO / LYLO on another strong confirmed Town.

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He could also really be scum with MoI. His case on MoI? "His day phase wasn't impressive". I mean,

there was more wrong with MoI's day one than that

. But he sits there and the reluctantly gets off because a town read tells him to.

Bolded for emphasis … speaking of revisionist history. I looked over your ISO. All you say on the issue of my scumminess is that "He always seems so, look at ATHF".

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What else. OGML's so fucking town, but stop lurking plz and come back and give us a content post.

Lulz. OGML is Town even though he does nothing Pro-Town and lurks like a champion.

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Fate believed that OGML used the wagon on himself to look for scum. Basically play bad and look for those who use crap reasons to vote.
He also thought OGML was pushing SGR for information not for mislynch. I think reading Fate's views he saw it as OGML trying to gain information from those that jumped on those wagons.

Um, not. For this to be credible OGML would have actually had to have

DONE SOMETHING WITH THIS GAMBIT INFORMATION

. But has he? Nope. He’s lurked like a champ and rode out the suspicions on his terrible Day 1 play since he was ‘protected’ Day 2.

[Faraday]

teehee.jpg. magna trying to see if he can out a PR before going down. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[A Gaggle of Geese]

teehee.png magna trying to see if he can out a pr before going down. OH NO WAIT WE HGAVE 137373737 investigative roles instead.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

also it's not the POWERS THAT BE. I fucking decided you were scum after your first post where you got out of your way to comment negatively on the guy you replaced. this is a scumtell. don't misrepresent it as some grand conspiracy. did you know you were hammering?

[A Gaggle of Geese]

never mind answered that.

[farside22]

That's why I asked OGML if he learned anything or if that was his plan and that he should expand.
MOI: Just one of those things that kind of bother me about you here. (1) the fight between you and ythill look fake. Neither voted for the other and it looked petty. Have you two had issues in the past that cause the reaction you had? (2) SGR point is valid but don't you usually look at the vote count when the game is moving fast before you place a vote?
hmmmmm

unsacrifice

sacrifice: Saint

[A Gaggle of Geese]

this isn't INVESTIGATIVE ROLES EVERYWHERE mafia