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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:31 am

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Arguing flavor is dumb dumb.
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:33 am

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ZeekLTK wrote:
Ok, I finished reading last night...


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VOTE: DGB

Why the vote? Because: Where's the egg?

I highly doubt the egg "does nothing" as elvis claims, so obviously there is a purpose. What is it's purpose? My best guess at the moment is that you eat it: you join the chicken lady's cult. You don't eat it: you piss off the cult and they kill you.

If the egg REALLY WAS NOT THREATENING TO THE TOWN... then
why hasn't DGB told us who she gave it to last night? And/or why has no one claimed that they received it?
Because it's anti-town.


So here's what we need to do.
We need to kill DGB right now
. If she is a cult recruiter, then we seriously fuck the cult's day up. Right now they have 3 members: DGB, elvis, and [to be determined]. If we kill DGB today, that's it... the cult doesn't grow, we know half of the remaining members (again: elvis), they are a non-threat to the town for the rest of the game.

If we DON'T kill DGB today, she recruits someone else at night. Instead of having 3/16 members like they do now, they'll have 4/14 or even 4/13 members (assuming we lynch someone + 1-2 nightkills). Then, not only do they have another unidentified person, they also have a larger percentage of the town. If we wait another day, they'll have 5 out of anywhere from 10-12 remaining players (again, pending nightkills). Oh, guess what, at 5/10 they fucking win
AND WE LOSE
. The longer we wait, the harder it gets to destroy the cult, and we could lose as early as
NIGHT 4
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And, if a cult doesn't exist... if we kill her and there is no indication of the cult, then that's still good too. Because then at least we don't have someone sending mysteriously unexplained eggs to people every night.

I played on here a few years ago, stopped for a while, but got the mafia-itch so I came back recently and I re-read all my old games plus a handful of others just to "get back into it". One of the MAIN THINGS that I noticed while re-reading all those old games was that townies CONSTANTLY got fucked over by not taking action against claims they didn't understand.
Constantly.
There are so many games out there where someone claimed something that didn't make sense (like passing out eggs at night!!!), but they convinced everyone that it's NOT MAFIA (usually it's not) so the townies stupidly just ignored it until finally they lost at the end of the game because, oh, guess what, that weird role they didn't understand actually had a few extra caveats that wasn't claimed and then they were completely fucked because they didn't deal with it when it first came up.

Since I'm town in this game, I'm NOT going to let that happen here. That fucking egg does SOMETHING and most likely it's NOT GOOD for the TOWN.

IS, I liked your enthusiasm in attacking DGB earlier so please join me in getting rid of this chicken lady. SpyreX, it would be great if you would too, since you're town (or at least it's my understanding that you just claimed Mason). Anyone else who's pro-town should also join us. Hell, even if you are scum, join us in voting DGB for today because it would also do you well to destroy a possible cult before they take over.

As for who is mafia, I do agree that it's likely that volkan is due to the non-interaction with the main focal point of yesterday, scUmbrage, and his stupid point system he keeps referencing, but I would much rather take care of third party threats right now than scum. We can lynch scum any day, we can't always kill the cult recruiter before too many people are recruited.

*Another thought: why was there only one nightkill last night instead of two? There is no way that BOTH killing parties targeted Amrun (he didn't seem to stand out much during the day). What happened, IMO, was that one of the killers targeted DGB because they thought something was up with the eggs as well, but the kill failed. But of course scum aren't going to claim that they tried to kill her, because then it outs them, so no one has said anything. But I mean, a
bulletproof recruiter
makes sense. Even if it's X-shot, that would ensure that the cult had enough time to pick up a decent amount of members, and all they would have to do is not get lynched... which is probably why they had elvis claim so early, to try to buy enough time so that when suspicion finally did come back to DGB, it would be way later in the game and the cult would be too big to mess with by then.

We have to get rid of her NOW!


Nice to see you again Zeek, its a shame though we have to go through this egg shite again...

Answer me this... if the egg is anti town what advantage is gained by cult recruiter or recruited cult claiming it? Now it could be that its a find the missing scum goon thing, which would keep DGB in the frame and elvis is an innocent party to this but your cult theory really makes little sense.

Now we have looked extensively into why it could be anti-town it is probably worth mentioning what if it's pro-town? What if it is a masoniser or gives some lucky vanilla town a power role etc. to me this seem like a possibility as well. Shouldn't we at least consider it before we go lynch happy on someone who is a great asset as town?

Im interested in your theory of someone being bulletproof but Im wondering where it has come from. I think your starting to go into the realms of bastard modding and "no way town can win" if you make a bulletproof recruiter.

Your theory is non sensical, the way you try to rally IS and SpyreX and the rest of town (the liberal use of join us, when referring to cults is ironic btw) is horrible. The way I see it is, you need to take a step back, forget about this frankly disappointing mess and vote vollkan, someone who has been shown to be scummy without the outlandish theories needed. (see MBL's post for a good example)
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:37 am

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Why do people think volkan is town anyways?
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:53 am

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@Spyrex, why did you clear DGB but not UT after yesterday's flip?


The entire tone of yesterday bespeaks DGB-not scum.

That is not the same with UT or even the same game played in the same universe.

Unvote, Vote: Vollkan


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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:01 am

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, if I'm willing to follow you on vollkantown, and I don't find IS as scummy as I find others, is MistBeauty the obvious compromise lynch?

Let's assume scum have daytalk. They're lining up a favorable mislynch right now. Who is that mislynch and who is driving it? Is vollkan the scum-driven mislynch? Or IS? Gurgi and MistBeauty are the only other real possibilities, but if IS-vollkan are really onetownonescum as you assess, you'd think scum would be trying to swing that lynch more aggressively right now. From your perspective, who is driving a mislynch now, or are scum sitting back hoping town buries a townie?
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:05 am

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Why are we assuming scum have daytalk?
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:24 am

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MBL is trying way too hard.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:08 am

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I have a few thoughts.

Spyrex:
UT - I originally thought of him as a potential early busser (given the other early voters seem town to me). His talk of third party had me thinking it wasn't a buss though. I guess I'm looking to discuss this more, as I'm pretty sure I disagree.
LG - I have found things he's done scummy. But do you really think he's scum given that he was the apparent last-ditch effort of Mist Beauty (and lurconis to an extent) to direct the lynch off Umbrage? Perhaps if Mist Beauty (and lurconis) are town then we can discuss LG as scum. If Mist Beauty is scum, I think it argues for Gurgi being likely town.

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MBL: perplexing that you haven't voted. Tempted to go find that one invitational we were in together, just for some perspective.

I find it interesting that Lurconis was starting to be the alternate to the IS/Vollkan mess, then after I (and I think somebody or a few others) said we thought Mist Beauty was scummier than lurconis, Mist Beauty became the alternate wagon. I'm thinking about WHY we would get another alternate wagon, and what that means.
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:12 am

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I think Mist and Gurgi have been throwing softballs at each other and both are scum together.
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:27 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:IS wanted to save Umbrage and divert his lynch towards vollkan. Iso IS. Please, iso IS. I know it's painful. Just look at the Umbrage lynch.

IS was one of the first people to say Umbrage needed L+X votes to die. Even if he was derping about vollkan at the time from obv-scumbrage, he wouldn't have given that info up if he was scumbuddies with him. I can definitely see the scum team as Umbrage, vollkan, Mist Beauty, XXXX (I have an idea I'm not revealing right now), plus a lurker. I'd much rather see the vollkan flip first.


Problem is, he wasn't the only one to suggest L+
x
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In other news, Mist Beauty needs to die before vollkan.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:36 am

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sorting out vollkan/IS would be a good move today imo.
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:40 am

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MrBuddyLee wrote:
@DGB
, if I'm willing to follow you on vollkantown, and I don't find IS as scummy as I find others, is MistBeauty the obvious compromise lynch?


I would gleefully decapitate MistBeauty.

MrBuddyLee wrote:Let's assume scum have daytalk. They're lining up a favorable mislynch right now. Who is that mislynch and who is driving it? Is vollkan the scum-driven mislynch? Or IS? Gurgi and MistBeauty are the only other real possibilities, but if IS-vollkan are really onetownonescum as you assess, you'd think scum would be trying to swing that lynch more aggressively right now. From your perspective, who is driving a mislynch now, or are scum sitting back hoping town buries a townie?


SpyreX is voting vollkan, and, given the state of SpyreX's scumdar, that pretty much confirms vollkan to be town.

I think the scum is indeed trying to veer the lynch towards a vollkan-town, and IS is in the driver's seat, to be sure. He's using the time-honored brainwashing technique of "if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth."

But hey. I've been wrong before. Maybe vollkan is scum. I just really doubt it, and he's playing his usual point system, which everyone loathes for some reason.
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:42 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:IS wanted to save Umbrage and divert his lynch towards vollkan. Iso IS. Please, iso IS. I know it's painful. Just look at the Umbrage lynch.

IS was one of the first people to say Umbrage needed L+X votes to die. Even if he was derping about vollkan at the time from obv-scumbrage, he wouldn't have given that info up if he was scumbuddies with him. I can definitely see the scum team as Umbrage, vollkan, Mist Beauty, XXXX (I have an idea I'm not revealing right now), plus a lurker. I'd much rather see the vollkan flip first.


Problem is, he wasn't the only one to suggest L+
x
, and Umbrage looked like a super-numerary goner already... and IS explained his change of heart from thinking Umbrage was a genius-town to wanting to test his claim (which would result in Umbrage's death by IS's own admission) with DRUNKENNESS.

In other news, Mist Beauty needs to die before vollkan.


L I A R!!

What? you dont think im paying attention to you DBG? You dont think ill say something when you regurgitate yet another BLATANT LIE!



Internet Stranger wrote:I'm curious about this now.

unvote: Vollkan
Vote: Umbrage


I still say Vollkan is scum.



I voted for Umbrage before he had reached the "official" lynch count.


Internet Stranger wrote:Well, he isnt dead. Now im REALLY curious as to whats going on with him. Do you want to wait for lurkers to pile on the votes and see if he just needs something like Lynch+2 votes?

Or can we lynch VollkanScum now instead?



I was the FIRST, not the only one, but the FIRST to suggest that Umbrage gets the votes piled on. Again DBG, thats FIRST. Thats something you conveniently continue to overlook.


Internet Stranger wrote:I still don't trust the egg, I don't trust. Umbrage. I trust vollkan is scum.

I'm also very drunk right now.



Then you go for the obvious misrep. I was already putting my votes on Umbrage. I was already ready to see him hang before this little post. But thats too INCONVENIENT for you isnt it? You have to try and rewrite history to suit YOUR needs. You are a LIAR DBG, a misrepresenting, callous, blatant LIAR.

Look DBG, youre not the first one to be all butthurt just because I got this shit down and I know my scum when I see them and I can spot the BULLSHIT when someone comes at me with it. But you dont have to craft fairy tales or send your minions after me just because your girly feelings are all hurt. All you have to do is suck up that miserable pride of yours, admit that the case on Vollkan is ROCK SOLID, admit that Vollkan HAS to be SCUM, and then we can move on from the sillyness youre trying to spew. I might even forgive you for your transgressions.

All you have to do is admit that Vollkan is scum, admit that Vollkan needs to be lynched and vote for him accordingly. You can even get that minion of yours to do it too and ill toss her a treat or pet her furry or something.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:43 am

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VP Baltar wrote:sorting out vollkan/IS would be a good move today imo.


Let's blow up IS first. Of the two players, he's way scummier than vollkan IMO, but
ceteris paribus
, he's also annoying and disruptive.

He was two-bodies-one-mind all day yesterday with Umbrage. I suspect IS has the chutzpah to pull something like that off. My spidey sense told me that IS was whispering lines to Umbrage, but that might be my imagination.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:46 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
MrBuddyLee wrote:
@DGB
, if I'm willing to follow you on vollkantown, and I don't find IS as scummy as I find others, is MistBeauty the obvious compromise lynch?


I would gleefully decapitate MistBeauty.

MrBuddyLee wrote:Let's assume scum have daytalk. They're lining up a favorable mislynch right now. Who is that mislynch and who is driving it? Is vollkan the scum-driven mislynch? Or IS? Gurgi and MistBeauty are the only other real possibilities, but if IS-vollkan are really onetownonescum as you assess, you'd think scum would be trying to swing that lynch more aggressively right now. From your perspective, who is driving a mislynch now, or are scum sitting back hoping town buries a townie?


SpyreX is voting vollkan, and, given the state of SpyreX's scumdar, that pretty much confirms vollkan to be town.
This isnt logic at all lady. Its BULLSHIT opinion in a disguise of logic and truth.


I think the scum is indeed trying to veer the lynch towards a vollkan-town, and IS is in the driver's seat, to be sure. He's using the time-honored brainwashing technique of "if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth."
My god woman, what the fuck do you think YOU have been doing? YOURE the attempting attempting this and youre quite horrible at it too.


But hey. I've been wrong before. Maybe vollkan is scum. I just really doubt it, and he's playing his usual point system, which everyone loathes for some reason.



The only reason everyone HATES the point system, which apparently you love, is because Vollkan is obviously using it to push an agenda. He even admits it as such. Its a cute crutch that he can use against newbies, but it doesnt work on veterans, at all. We can see through the bullshit, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Vollkan is actually one of the easiest people to read on the whole damn site because of that bullshit point system.

The fact that you DBG act so blind to it is more damning than anything else.
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:47 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:sorting out vollkan/IS would be a good move today imo.


Let's blow up IS first. Of the two players, he's way scummier than vollkan IMO, but
ceteris paribus
, he's also annoying and disruptive.

He was two-bodies-one-mind all day yesterday with Umbrage. I suspect IS has the chutzpah to pull something like that off. My spidey sense told me that IS was whispering lines to Umbrage, but that might be my imagination.


Might as well sprinkle some additional conspiracy theories while youre at it too. Nice one DBG. When do you ever say anything FACTUAL?
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:48 am

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Internet Stranger wrote: I got this shit down and I know my scum when I see them


You know your scum when you see them like
Umbrage
?

Umbrage, who you supported, defended, and whose attackers you constantly attacked, like you attacked me for voting Umbrage right out of the gate when the day started?

That's what you mean by knowing your scum when you see them?
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:49 am

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SpyreX wrote:I think Mist and Gurgi have been throwing softballs at each other and both are scum together.


I think LG's apparent glee at "newbies cannibalizing each other" is scummy to the max, but I really question how Mist and LG could be scum together given Mist's attempt to stop umbrage wagon with a LG wagon. I mean, give me an plausible explanation for this.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:50 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
Internet Stranger wrote: I got this shit down and I know my scum when I see them


You know your scum when you see them like
Umbrage
?

Umbrage, who you supported, defended, and whose attackers you constantly attacked, like you attacked me for voting Umbrage right out of the gate when the day started?

That's what you mean by knowing your scum when you see them?



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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:51 am

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If anyone wonders, I stopped reading IS's posts early in this game day when he started the bait-fest. I see that he's ninja'ing, but I am not reading. He's going to have me burn out again.
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Internet Stranger wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Internet Stranger wrote: I got this shit down and I know my scum when I see them


You know your scum when you see them like
Umbrage
?

Umbrage, who you supported, defended, and whose attackers you constantly attacked, like you attacked me for voting Umbrage right out of the gate when the day started?

That's what you mean by knowing your scum when you see them?



Days last longer than a few posts in the beginning of the day you know.



And stop acting like youre town. Its not like anyone has confirmed you or anything. By the way, that reminds me, who did you give your egg to DBG?
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:58 am

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I think LG's apparent glee at "newbies cannibalizing each other" is scummy to the max, but I really question how Mist and LG could be scum together given Mist's attempt to stop umbrage wagon with a LG wagon. I mean, give me an plausible explanation for this.


Self-cred at the expense of the team.
Or, more likely, the simple fact that Umbrage was going to get a billion votes regardless throwing a softball out at a different teammate sets up the words you said above.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:16 am

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I'm tempted to just lynch Mist Beauty because she's scum in either scenario.

However, I am still wondering about this IS/Vollkan phenomenon, and why we got a third wagon. I think it means one or both are prob scum. I mean, not for sure, but you get me.

Spyrex, you think IS is town. I'd like to hear your best argument that might sway me if I've gone wrong here in thinking he's scum.

When I cut through all the ridiculous posturing, my main points are:
1)Catchup post was largely useless and about dead townies (yes I still think this is significant)
2)Rolefishing and DGB paranoia
3)Apparent collusion with Umbrage against me and DGB
4)Pushing vollkan during Umbrage lynch
5)Bullying behavior, baiting, avoiding questions
6)Refusal to give me his reads
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:18 am

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I'll give you my full details when I'm home tonight on IS.

After being so wrong on Umbrage lets just say I'm hesistant but I really find 1 & 2 to be town. 5, NORMALLY, is just a matter of style as grating as it gets sometime.

3 4 and 6 are valid but, again, I think its bull-headedness versus scum banking everything on Umbrage NOT getting super tested.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:24 am

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DGB, I think you're wrong on your assessment of IS. There is no way (IMO) scum openly "team up" like IS and Umbrage did on Day 2.

I've had that happen before in a game where I was scum - it was me and someone else really going after another player. I was scum, he was town. And I loved it that we were arguing the same thing, because if he came up town later, it would help "clear" me, but if I came up scum, it would incriminate him. IMO, that's what happened here, and why Umbrage got too caught up in it. He was like "oh look, a townie is arguing the same thing I am, I can legitimately shout about this now because this is obviously a town POV I'm adopting".
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