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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:41 am
by Junpei
>I, Junpei
>Lurking to victory
You clearly don't know me. For someone who values meta so highly, you have done zero research.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:29 am
by Oversoul
I'll be waiting, Junpei.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:30 am
by Timeater
I have a general question for you guys while were waiting from incoming failpost from junpei.
Would you consider my recent interact wtih mist decent scumhunting?
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:32 am
by Oversoul
Timeater, if you want Junpei to say something, you will unvote if some stray poster comes in here and hammers. Ya, it has been decent. I thought it was a fail hamemr on your part, but it is a gambit so all good.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:33 am
by Timeater
and btw mist i cant wait to hear your bone tongue results tomorrow
will be good to know considering your supposedly impossible to kill and its a non-target self-use skill
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:34 am
by Timeater
I'm not gonna unvote after LOL
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3520733
If he gets sniped thats his problem.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:24 am
by Shadow Dancer
Did anybody else realize that Junpei used the time, that he was, according to himself, going to use for "analysis", for more "later! Promisse!" posts.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:30 am
by Timeater
SD can you just kill someone please
it will confirm you aren't retarded scum with more than one rank of dayvig (further ranks are only meant for non-massclaim games)
IMO Junpei, Peregrin, or Mist.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:31 am
by Timeater
Scratch mist, replace with kiwi or OS
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:36 am
by Oversoul
Why do you want to kill the Derp towns for the reason they are derp? >_>
Peregrine shot is a bad idea because he is a barbarian mystic and SD will likely kill himself. Ideally if Peregrine and Junpei are scum it would be kill Junpei, lynch Peregrine, but SD wants to wait until tomorrow so..
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:40 am
by Timeater
Oh true dat. Anyway I am 100% who is going to die tonight. Well, 99% sure.
I might have been reflected last night, we'll see tonight. I want blood, and lots of it.
People like Junpei keep going on about how THIS GAME CANNOT BE BOINKED WITH A MASSCLAIM, WELL GUESS WHAT IT CAN. Just pisses me off than I'm the only one gungho about it.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:41 am
by Timeater
@AV - Do you know if you get reflected?
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:47 am
by Oversoul
If Peregrine has level 3 in reflection... LOL
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:55 am
by Timeater
Mist cant really be killed because she can just lifedrain every night right?
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:14 am
by AurorusVox
↑ Timeater wrote:@AV - Do you know if you get reflected?
No, you don't get told directly that your skill was reflected, but you can infer it dependent on the nature of the skill:
Some examples:
(1) If I were a cop, I would get a result on my own alignment, since my investigation had been redirected onto myself. I would know I'd been reflected.
(2) If I were a vig, I would wind up dead the next day because my shot would have been reflected back at me. I might infer that this was the case.
(3) If I were a Mafia Framer, I would appear guilty to cops that night. However, I would
not
be told that the skill was used on me instead of my target.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:20 am
by Timeater
Sooo what exactly theorhetically, would happen if neurotoxin would be applied to a target that had an active smoke and mirrors up?
Thats a bit of a different scenario isn't it? Would the neurotoxin nullify itself out then still be re-applied the next night? Kinda confusing.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:29 am
by Timeater
Or am I correct in assuming that the chain would end when its reflected back to the assassin because it'd be like a roleblocker blocking himself before he blocked?
or something O.o
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:32 am
by AurorusVox
I don't really want to talk about specific role-on-role interactions.
I will say that I'm using NAR, and that you can probably figure it out from that.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:34 am
by Timeater
But I would argue that since this is coney island your normal-game examples are bunk, and even NAR is kinda whack. Its an open game. Should be clear.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:46 am
by AurorusVox
Sure, maybe I need to clarify what the equivalents would be:
I'm treating a Delayer as a type of Roleblocker, and a Reflector as a type of Redirector.
You can use NAR to figure out the rest. I mean, that's what I used to work through role interactions when making the setup. It's not like I'm hiding anything, I just don't want to say "This is what will happen when X" because its up to you as players to come to those conclusions yourself.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:57 am
by Timeater
thanks
sorry for being persistent just like to be clear about mechanics
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:05 am
by AurorusVox
No problem.
I've spent a lot of time with the setup so I have a very clear understanding of what skills are treated as in terms of NAR. I forget sometimes that I need to make it a bit more explicit for you guys as players ^^"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:07 am
by Shadow Dancer
Point is: If I shoot Per
now
it's well possible that I suicide instead.
Similarly Mist is at least a very bad shot (or lynch) now because of Life Drain.
@Aurorus: As what kind of skill would Life Drain be treated in NAR?
Junpei is our lynch for today anyway, no need to vig him. If he survives because of Faith he's confirmed scum nontheless.
I could vig Rice, but that's not so urgent and definitely not worth giving up my cop sanity for.
Per is also a bad investigatio target because of "Smoke and Mirrors" (damn, he could even be a pain to lynch, but that's to be seen tomorrow). But with Junpei dead every one else is a good target.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:10 am
by Timeater
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:20 am
by Shadow Dancer
You should have skilled one level of assassinate
Peregrine is online, I am very curious what
he
has to say.