You're right, it doesn't take a genius to see what you are doing.
You were going to be lynched, you (or your dragon-mate) have a scum day kill (let's hope 1 shot), you didn't kill Venmar last night and had to use it today to put us in MYLO and start your AtF crap.
This also doesn't take a Genius.
Let's look at it another way. Let's say you are actually town. We were at 5v2. If we lynched you and you flipped town, it would be 4v2 going into night. Venmar already said he could only save himself 1 time. Scum takes him out. Day starts and it's 3v2. Scum use that day kill tomorrow and it's instant win. Huh...guess it doesn't make sense for them to use it today if you were going to be a mis-lynch eh? Boom, Lawyer'ed.
You are still going to be the lynch today and you are going to flip dragon.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:00 am
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Majiffy [2]
- CryoNudist, pirate mollie
CryoNudist [1]
- Majiffy
not voting
- Aj the Epic, Axxle, jon_h61
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:01 am
by CryoChemist
Please find the fallacy in the above hypothetical if you were town. Why would scum ANYONE other than you use the day kill while you are headed for rope when they could save it and out right win tomorrow with it?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:03 am
by Majiffy
↑CryoChemist wrote:Let's look at it another way. Let's say you are actually town. We were at 5v2. If we lynched you and you flipped town, it would be 4v2 going into night. Venmar already said he could only save himself 1 time. Scum takes him out. Day starts and it's 3v2. Scum use that day kill tomorrow and it's instant win. Huh...guess it doesn't make sense for them to use it today if you were going to be a mis-lynch eh? Boom, Lawyer'ed.
Scum couldn't be certain he wasn't WIFOMing. Any smart protective role outting themselves would WIFOM the shit out of their abilities.
Anyway, whatever. My argument is based on the facts. Your argument is based on me AtF'ing based on the facts. Occam's, go!
↑CryoChemist wrote:Let's look at it another way. Let's say you are actually town. We were at 5v2. If we lynched you and you flipped town, it would be 4v2 going into night. Venmar already said he could only save himself 1 time. Scum takes him out. Day starts and it's 3v2. Scum use that day kill tomorrow and it's instant win. Huh...guess it doesn't make sense for them to use it today if you were going to be a mis-lynch eh? Boom, Lawyer'ed.
Scum couldn't be certain he wasn't WIFOMing. Any smart protective role outting themselves would WIFOM the shit out of their abilities.
Anyway, whatever. My argument is based on the facts. Your argument is based on me AtF'ing based on the facts. Occam's, go!
Do you know what Occam's razor is?
Dayvigging in response to a lynch is much simpler than in response to wifom.
Dayvigging in response to a lynch is much simpler than in response to wifom.
Do you know how to read? He's responding with WIFOM to
this:
Cryo Scum
Pushes a weak case on Majiffy
Dayvigs to bring to Mylo just before the lynch goes through
Remaining players pile on for easy scum victory
The dayvig precedes either argument.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:46 am
by Majiffy
Actually I'd like to see each and every one of you respond to 1024. Because I don't think a single one of you is using your brain here.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:50 am
by Majiffy
Jon and AJ get the fuck in here.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:54 am
by Axxle
So you assume scum couldn't hammer?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:10 pm
by CryoChemist
Jiffy, you like facts...here are some:
With 7 alive, it was 4 to lynch. That means 1 townie could be not voting you and you would still be lynched. Now, it's 6 alive and still 4 to lynch. You are sayingthat scum killed someone on your wagon thus making it more difficult to kill you.
Scum wouldn't need to kill venmar at all if you were a mislynch. WIFOM about his abilities could be completely ignored. If you were town and a mislynch, they could kill any other townie at night, use the day kill tomorrow and then win straight up.
Example: if you weren't scum, you die today would make it 4v2, scum kills us making 3v2, scum day kills LITERALLY ANY TOWN LEFT making it GG.
No jiffy, only you and your scum buddy need to make it MYLO today, which is why you did it.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:02 pm
by Majiffy
↑CryoChemist wrote:Jiffy, you like facts...here are some:
With 7 alive, it was 4 to lynch. That means 1 townie could be not voting you and you would still be lynched. Now, it's 6 alive and still 4 to lynch. You are sayingthat scum killed someone on your wagon thus making it more difficult to kill you.
Scum wouldn't need to kill venmar at all if you were a mislynch. WIFOM about his abilities could be completely ignored. If you were town and a mislynch, they could kill any other townie at night, use the day kill tomorrow and then win straight up.
Example: if you weren't scum, you die today would make it 4v2, scum kills us making 3v2, scum day kills LITERALLY ANY TOWN LEFT making it GG.
No jiffy, only you and your scum buddy need to make it MYLO today, which is why you did it.
Except scum doesn't know if their kill is going to go through with Venmar alive.
So... good job.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:03 pm
by CryoChemist
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:20 pm
by Majiffy
Eyeroll all you want as I shoot down all your points. Doesn't make you any more correct.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:41 pm
by CryoChemist
While we wait for the hammer to come for dragon-you to die, we shall indulge you one more time.
Let's pretend you flip town and scum are completely inept and fail to kill tonight while still holding a day kill. Tomorrow would be 4v2. Oh snap, look at that, they would still have the opportunity to make it MYLO as you claim they are doing right now. They lose absolutely nothing by waiting to see if they get a kill tonight and gain an insta-win if they did kill. There is no reason to use the day kill today to set up MYLO if town was about to be mis-lynched. In fact, they would lose a very strategic play by doing what you claim they are doing.
No Jiffy, you are a scaled-fire-breathing liar and this was your team's last shot at saving scum that all of town thought was town. In fact, we would be very surprised if it was your dragon buddies PR and not yours used to kill Venmar. You were about to be lynched and your team would lose the extra kill if you didn't use it before the hammer.
Well played and all, but you are a dragon, end of story.
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:12 pm
by jon_h61
Majiffy and Axxle for the Fire Breathing Demonic Dragons!!!!
Majiffy sure fooled me with that CooLDoG business. I can't see any other reason why Venmar died just as I talked him into believing Cryo is a Citizen. My biggest question mark is pirate mollie. I've had pm as Town almost all game, but recently doubts have crept in.
