Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Psyche]

Damn if varsoons isn't the monsters under the bed, then who is he??

[Desperado]

Sorry if you feel that way, Desperado. Do you think that Pope is lying about his results then?

I think it's more likely to be mod error than anything else.

I was surprised to get a bus driver role PM in the first place, it wouldn't be a shock if he doesn't know how to handle it properly (for example, my role PM doesn't actually say that I do what I'm supposed to do, and I had to ask for clarification)

[Desperado]

Bus Driver would actually explain what happened N1 very well, no?

It really saddens me that Varsoon is town.

Miller/Neighborizer with him trying to neighborize the guy that I redirected into death just seemed so fucking convenient.

[Psyche]

Desperado

claim all of your actions the previous nights

and explain the rationale for them

[Psyche]

Why were you so dubious about Varsoon's claim if you knew that you were behind the highly convenient redirection?

[Desperado]

I already did.

Both times I was trying to redirect a scum kill away from a protown player.

[Desperado]

Why were you so dubious about Varsoon's claim if you knew that you were behind the highly convenient redirection?

The redirection wasn't the convenient part.

This:

@Desperado: I already explained why a trace on me would turn up that way. I did before traces were even mentioned. I did not know I was traced until TIP said he traced me.

That's great, but as scum you have no choice BUT to explain why the track would turn up that way. If you hadn't been redirected, and Skull had died instead, and TIP still tracked you, you'd just be saying the same thing.

"I tried to neighborize Skull but he's dead now so if you tracked me to him that's why, and btw if you got a guilty on me it's because I'm a miller."

And claiming scum and then later saying that that was a breadcrumb to you being a miller is just...it's out there, man.

sums up my feelings about it.

[Psyche]

Yeah...I'm not liking the circumstances of this claim.

[Skullduggery]

Sorry if you feel that way, Desperado. Do you think that Pope is lying about his results then?

I think it's more likely to be mod error than anything else.

I was surprised to get a bus driver role PM in the first place, it wouldn't be a shock if he doesn't know how to handle it properly (for example, my role PM doesn't actually say that I do what I'm supposed to do, and I had to ask for clarification)

Ugh, that's a fair point. We've already had several instances of players requesting clarification on roles and night actions and whatnot. A few too many for my liking...

Pope, be a dear and ask Monkeyman if this is the case here. Ask him if you would get both results if you theoretically tracked a player who targeted two people. We should have a better idea of how to proceed from there.

[TheIrishPope]

Last line explanation: You can be any scum role who planned to fakeclaim Bus Driver from the beginning
I'll PM him on this subject

[Desperado]

Yeah...I'm not liking the circumstances of this claim.

Go on

[Psyche]

So the real reason you wanted to lynch Varsoon yesterday was because of the miller neighbor claim, not the tracking to the kill?

[TheIrishPope]

Guys shut up until Monkey answers me alright

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: Desperado
Gogogogo

[Psyche]

Uh, why should we shut up?

[Metal Sonic]

i totally missed the whole of day 2

like when i looked back to this thread it was already night 2

amazing

[TheIrishPope]

Never mind that
Everyone vote Desperado scum

[Psyche]

TIP
details first
lynch second

[Desperado]

So the real reason you wanted to lynch Varsoon yesterday was because of the miller neighbor claim, not the tracking to the kill?

It was both. I wouldn't have known that varsoon was at all involved with radios death without TIP tracking him.

[TheIrishPope]

Monkey confirmed that if I targeted someone who visited multiple people, I would get all their names
I only got one name, mine
So yeah
Desperado is scum

[Psyche]

Well.
If Desperado is town, we blame mod.

[Psyche]

Desperado is probably the scum redirector. This requires only 1 target and vindicates the role speculation I did earlier.

vote Desperado

[TiphaineDeath]

VOTE: Desperado

I can confirm neither myself nor rubicon at this time. I will say that I read rubicon as heavily town, and that I had a misunderstanding about my role, that is all.

[Metal Sonic]

Never mind that
Everyone vote Desperado scum

ok i can do that

VOTE: Desperado

[TheIrishPope]

L-3 people, we got this