My read on flay was intially based on his posts from early game but ever since i started actually contributing to this game, his behaviour is been weird.
Earlier he was complaining that I wasn't posting and been useless in this game but when i actually exploring myself in game in various ways to pull out scum.. He just acting very paranoid.
A) He ignored everything I said, He wanted me post and he never talked anything from my content.
B) He wanted to lynch me not becuz i look scum but he found my claim may be dangerous to this town but later he says my claim sounds scummy becuz i started asking him questions about why he thinks my role is so bad which he never answered
C) He actually kind of playing safest game than anyone, If you actually see Mr flay mafiscum history, he is one of the oldest player, a palyer like this should know that one should never kill a claimed pr , not at least on day one , but being a such experience player he never stopped that kill nor he even mentioned about it or tried to extract reads out of it except that he kept his options open to place his vote on Darox as well
D) now all of sudden, he is also okay voting Sundy. that's just way too an oppurtunist play.
these are the basic stuff a scum do in his paly to cover himself as town.
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:18 am
by ArcAngel9
the sad part of this game is Gockrat is either scum with FLAY or another dumb town.
and i don't have to tell you about Jake's play.. Horrendious eveR!!!!
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:31 am
by Jake from State Farm
But my read on her/slot hasn't really changed.
The fact she has this unrealistic expectation that she's confirmed town and criticizes people for not seeing it is just a cherry on top.
At least when I declare I'm pro town, I can point to examples. She just says "you know me so you not seeing I'm town must mean you are scum" or "you should quit mafiascum and town is unlucky to have you"
paraphrased of 2 actual statements made this game from her
P.edit
Horrendous? Really?
Seriously shut your mouth before I throw my anger management classes down the tube and get modkilked for ripping you a new one. I can post 10 links to ACTUAL scum hunting from me. Can you provide 10 links of you scum hunting? I gurantee you, you can't.
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:32 am
by notscience
So
If she thinks you're town
why is she doing this .-.
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:34 am
by Jake from State Farm
Sorry, I have to walk away from this bad situation.
It's with great dissapointment that I do this
request replacement.
It's not fair to ask you to force replace AA so ill be the bigger person.
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:37 am
by saulres
I have sent a PM to someone who has asked to be on the replacement list. If they turn down I will advertise. If you change your mind before a replacement is selected please let me know.
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:38 pm
by Jake from State Farm
Oh forgot to do this
unvote
Let my replacement start fresh
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:59 pm
by Darox
In post 997, Jake from State Farm wrote:governor with a lover actually kind of makes sense but if we have that, that means darox is absolutely scum.
DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB.
P.S. THERE ARE NO EXAMPLES THAT MAKE YOU TOWN.
@MR FLAY I DIDN'T BOTHER POSTING MY DEETS BECAUSE NOONE ASKED AND I DON'T REALLY CARE TO SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE IMPORTANT PART: NAMELY THAT I CAN REMOVE DUDES.
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:59 pm
by Mr. Flay
You're still not posting details.
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:00 pm
by Mr. Flay
Will build my case against AA9 after dinner. Probably.
No reason for this was ever given. No apology, no 'oh sudden car crash'. Who replaces in and then goes V/LA? Nobody with the game's best interests in mind... so at the LEAST we are dealing with an antitown slot.
Next post. No 'here's what I've got so far', no 'crap crap crap shit shit shit', even though saulres had JUST posted a Vote Count.
And, need I mention, no further posts on Day One. No votes on Day One.
Note that Day Two starts on Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:17 pm. Almost a full RL day later, Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:21 pm ArcAngel9 shows up, but not with reads. Only to attack Sundy and Jake. It's now been almost a week since ArcAngel9 replaced in, only 3 days of which were V/LA. Zero reads.
On Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:25 pm we finally get some reads from ArcAngel9. According to the thread this took a matter of hours, but it's hard to tell... It does contain some interesting tidbits, like reading notscience as Town for rolefishing AND declaring it, and me Town (for the moment only). Somehow in this post she's gone from 'Jake town' to 'what if he is scum'.
Also:
LYNCH Kid A - Mr. Flay, Jake from State Farm, Amrun, gorckat, notscience
There is likely one or more than one scum there with a happy vote.. .. I am leaning on gorckat becuz mostly the way he was pushing on Kid A.
Amrun suspects were… gorkart, flay , jake and notscience.
Can’t say all of them is scum but one of them is likely…
Ideally I am looking at Gorkart is probably the best choice to lynch
If not , if Darok don’t come back with a claim, we could lean on that side
And also I would like to hear more thoughts from Sundy, so that I can get better understanding on her side..
So the common elements in this 'analysis' are gorckat, Flay, Jake, and notsci. Leaving aside for the moment that that is more than half of the remaining players, she ONLY goes after gorckat. notsci is a town read for one thing done early in the game, she's got me as Town, and Jake is...complicated. This looks bad for both gorckat and notsci frankly, but obviously only if she flips scum.
In post 981, ArcAngel9 wrote:Ideally this now leading us to a MASS claim.
we should mass claim to sort the lynch candidates, atleast that's how i am looking at.
So this is interesting. She flips out at gorckat for demanding her flavor/number, but then turns around in the same post and asks for a massclaim. This bolsters my scum Lover theory significantly. Who better to want a massclaim??
In post 993, Mr. Flay wrote:AA9 does it ACTUALLY and explicitly say that your lost Lover is Town?
Even if it does
, all that means is that you are a twofer kill.
I don't know if you're making sense here. Let me ask you again, why you think my role is bad? you understood that i am alligned to town right?
if so, how is lynching me useful to you than lynching a scum. Explain that first....
Further stalling on details of her claim.
As SOON as I name her role as Scum Lover, ArcAngel9 flips around and votes me.. Also she asks me specifically to claim more than once, though no one has agreed to a massclaim yet and despite her having read me as Town until recently.
So, at BEST we have a Seeking Lover who, if successful, will cause two Town roles to die for the price of one NK. Correct play here would have been to only come out with that if forced to avoid a lynch, and even then probably only when it would confirm the partner as well.
At worst, we have a scum slot that has been unhelpful for pretty much the entire game, willfully and purposefully obtuse, stalling near deadlines, and may be looking for a Town PR to take down with her. Vote stands.
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:29 am
by Jake from State Farm
While I am still here, I must say that is an awesome post and AA9 certainly needs rope. If she hangs today I won't have to replace out so it's really a win/win situation.
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:47 am
by Jake from State Farm
also not like I should even have to, I feel I must show AA9 (and darox for that matter) examples of me scum hunting and pro-town play
Spoiler:
In post 346, Jake from State Farm wrote:3. Where is your list of 3 scum you said you would provide after Darox gave his thought of his wagon? He commented on it yesterday fyi.
4. If you are town, read my sig, because it's directed at people like you.
In post 360, Jake from State Farm wrote:This policy lynch talk is kind of dumb, nobody is getting policy lynched, even if tip probably deserves it.
Also explain how you can imply moza's slot was scummy if you only mebtioned him once all game.
Thanks
In post 365, Jake from State Farm wrote:how is speaking the truth trying to discredit you? You voted him without a reason and never mentioned his name again until after he was replaced out. You never once questioned him for these things that you say he did that you find scummy, instead you bring it up now AFTER he is gone and somehow want me to defend his actions?
I can't defend his actions, nor will I.
Moza was calling Darox scum, that is the same person YOU were calling scum. Why is moza scum for his push on Darox if you agreed that Darox was scum? Unless you think Darox and moza are buddies and they are bussing, your suspicion on moza for that is weird.
Thinking a person is scum for being in favor of a policy lynch is also kind of stupid, but whatever floats your boat.
How have you formulated all your previous posts without noticing the other 8 players in the game?
because he has provided no reads, made no legitimate attempts to scum hunt, tunnels a player for most of the pages and when a new player comes in attacks the old slot calling implying like his slot was the scummiest of the game despite not mentioning him at all except a lone reasonless vote and when he finally does give a reason for it's vote it's essentially for being ok with a policy lynch (null) and for him calling a player scum for pushing a bandwagon (the person moz was calling scum just happened to be kid's largest scum read) and when I call him on the fact that he and moz were attacking the same person, he now does a 180 and says Darox isn't his a scum read anymore. Not to mention his iso fits my definition of active lurking cause when he shows up he seems to know exactly what's going on yet not sharing any info with anyone.
That's why he is scum.
@ amrun - I have not yet read the game yet, so I don't have reads. :shrug:
In post 393, Jake from State Farm wrote:it wasn't the vote that bothered me, because I honestly don't care about the vote. What struck me as odd is the fact that your comment associated with the vote implied that moza had been scummy. When I went through your iso to see what you said about my slot, I couldn't find a single thing.
and again , I don't think you answered my question. Why did you not question moza earlier, why did you wait til he replaced out and could not defend himself?
and yet again, you told OTHER people that once darox responded to his wagon you would provide your top 3 scum list. Why have you not done that yet? The fact that you look like you are stalling in giving your reads is very suspicious.
I really could go on and on but every single one of those posts shows me scum hunting and trying to figure out Kid's alignment
mod I retract my request to replace
now let's lynch this horrible person
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:33 am
by Mr. Flay
AA9 is being force-replaced in all games per the ban thread. I submit that if she is our strongest lynch candidate we NOT make saulres find a replacement with 3 days to go in Day Two.
Also, where the hell is Sundy?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:39 am
by Jake from State Farm
lol, karma
Yes let's lynch now please
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:06 am
by Mr. Flay
Alternatively Darox could use his superpower for Great Justice.
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:14 am
by Jake from State Farm
I guarantee he doesn't have a 2nd shot
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:19 am
by saulres
Fortunately I have not seen AA9 talk about other games in this one.
I do have someone lined up to replace (the one who was going to replace Jake) and have notified him that AA9's spot is available instead. I have also notified him of the current gamestate. If he says he wants to take the spot I will give it to him.
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:03 am
by notscience
VOTE: AA9
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:10 am
by saulres
The Dewey Decimal system has been replaced in libraries such as the Albany Public Library. Don't ask me why I have replacement on my mind...
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2013-08-17 22:17:21) <-- Left in for reference
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:15 am
by saulres
The Librarian was not happy with all the bickering so she sent you all to the back room. Eventually, ArcAngel9 was shoved out of the room. The Librarian searched her, but didn't find the missing books. She sent AA9 on her way and gave you separate locations to sleep out the night.
ArcAngel9
- 440: Romance Languages - Modified Visitor - town
, ejected from the library Day 2.
It is now Night 2. You have 48 hours to get me your night actions, if you have any.
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:18 am
by saulres
GODDAMMIT. I just fucked up the game. I forgot Jake unvoted.
I'm sorry. I'll talk more later. I was very disappointed in the way this game turned out
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:20 am
by saulres
If you all want to assume that Jake would've hammered I can restart it though...
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:29 am
by Jake from State Farm
fwiw I was going to hammer had i remembered I unvoted but not sure what is going to happen now
