Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 3.04:

Titus - Bulbazak
Imperium - Titus, RachMarie
BBmolla - Desp

Not Voting - BBmolla, Minions, Toogeloo, f-16, Toasty, keyblade, Imperium

With 11 alive it takes 6 to elect an HoH. Currently Imperium will be nominated as the next HoH, as they have the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-02 12:06:45) or by 11:05 AM on October 2nd, 2013.

Keybladewielder is always V/LA Wednesday through Saturday.

[BBmolla]

Ok guys, apologies for the lack of input from our side if things, of the [redacted] members in the team I seem to be the only one no either MIA or V/LA.

Some great points have been made, I am particularly keen to read through F16s excellent breakdown of everyone left. I have skimmed it at present and while I disagree with the positions of one or two I like the effort of input.

I will also look at the three options to vote for, not interested in adding further names to the list and I quite like all three choices as likely town players anyway.
Will read over them, see who is thinking along the most dkmsr lines to me, and go from there.

~ Jerry

Are you even trying

Like, that couldn't be any more non-commital and scummy, jesus

COMMIT TO READS DAMNIT

[Minions]

As the only person posting you have seen my reads and comments.

I said the previous day I thought rachmarie was scummy. That needs addressing against a strong belief this day phase that desp and toog have both slipped. Do where am I non committal exactly bbmolla?

I said all three up for HoH are good reads as town. So that's already three town calls and three potential scum calls.

Next time you want to throw a little tantrum please make sure it's on correct information

~ Jerry

[Voidedmafia]

Desperado has been prodded. (expired on 2013-09-24 13:20:46)

[Titus]

As the only person posting you have seen my reads and comments.

I said the previous day I thought rachmarie was scummy. That needs addressing against a strong belief this day phase that desp and toog have both slipped. Do where am I non committal exactly bbmolla?

I said all three up for HoH are good reads as town. So that's already three town calls and three potential scum calls.

Next time you want to throw a little tantrum please make sure it's on correct information

~ Jerry

How did Desp and Toog slip?

[BBmolla]

As the only person posting you have seen my reads and comments.

I said the previous day I thought rachmarie was scummy. That needs addressing against a strong belief this day phase that desp and toog have both slipped. Do where am I non committal exactly bbmolla?

I said all three up for HoH are good reads as town. So that's already three town calls and three potential scum calls.

Next time you want to throw a little tantrum please make sure it's on correct information

~ Jerry

Okay

Convince me Rach is scum and worth lynching above everyone else. Go.

[Desperado]

Des give it a rest....

What do you mean not newb?

I know I recently played a game with Ice Guy and I believe it was a newbie game will go find it.

and I know that Gnomeo is new....

So why are you not looking at minions as potential scum? Think on that Des ....

Because your case on them blows and I have other suspects.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

His ISO in the game we were in together (Greater Idea Mafia). He seemed to be making definite newbie mistakes there... So I thought he was a newbie.

Yeah and here is IceGuy nabbing an SK win. I thought you were all meta meta meta? Surely you don't just see one game and make a decision on someone.

In fact you can all just quick vote me for HOH now if you want since I'm conftown and all

hey desperado!
this is nacho. i am very sorry for being convinced you were scum for so long and putting you up to die two times in a row. i can now acknowledge that you are town town town and will get to analyzing previous wagons with you town in mind. thank you for being our good luck charm! <3

Has Tammy redacted F-16 scum yet?

So... are we thinking the scum team just up and said, "fuck this," and both Peace and Berry replaced out? BBmolla mentioned Peace probabably felt the scum team was boned early on and evaced the game because of it. Is that something Berry would do as well?

Also, holy balls Desp is angry at me lol.

Not angry, just motivated. I didn't expect to survive another nomination and I certainly didn't expect IceGuy to flip scum. PS this is toog parroting Molla's scum-replaced-out theory and then slinging mud at F-16 immediately after Imperium shared their initial thoughts on F-16scum. Please nominate this fucking guy tonight.

Desperado, saying that the remaining scum is in me, Rach, and Toog makes no sense at all. I have explained why I voted for you and I certainly see the town motivation in voting you. I don't follow your logic in claiming that everyone that voted you is scum.

Good thing I'm not? One of the three of you is guaranteed town and I've been pretty sure it's you since I started following this line of logic.

Your logic is basically OMGUS--because people voted for you, you think that two of them MUST be scum. This is a false conclusion.

It isn't OMGUS, it's an educated guess. Why do you think scum bussed N1? Why did IceGuy lie about who he voted?

Tammy, since you are obviously holding back on a ton of stuff, why don't you just spit out what the problem is. You seem pretty sure that I am scum that you haven't even analyzed any of my posts or questioned me on them but are jumping directly to posting a meta-case which isn't really helping because you are wrong about me.

^TOWN

I'm not. I think the Toog suspicion is silly.

Silly like a clown? How is it silly?

If I am elected HOH, I will be nominating F-16 and Minions or Titus, your choice.

No one is coming anywhere near electing you as HOH and your nominations suck. Start doing something.

8. Desperado
I am conflicted here.

I don’t like 48. Desperado seems too sure about Jake/Dash’s affiliation. From what I gather, they seem to be fairly influential players which is another reason I find it particularly troublesome.
Calls BB town and says that there is one scum among Titus and Toasty. Lack of paranoia.
Desperado, I really would like to know how you were so certain in RBD’s affiliation based off of a single post. Would you not expect RBD as scum to provide a similar plan?

On the other hand, a lot of his later post gave off a very town vibe. I disagree with his theory that at two of me/Rach/Toog are scum but it is the way he said it that made me lean town. It read as very genuine and honest and gave me the feeling that he really thought he caught scum.

"Single post?" RBD had 8 of the first 47 posts and they were towntowntown. Especially Jake saying that he hadn't forgotten my D1 hammer on him in another game (when we were both town).

That needs addressing against a strong belief this day phase that desp and toog have both slipped.
~ Jerry

Come again?

[BBmolla]

Silly like a clown? How is it silly?

Like someone insisting Santa Claus is real silly.

[Keybladewielder]

Desperado is usually a lot nicer. Seeing possible scum link.

[Desperado]

He slipped, molla. He knew scum had three votes N1 even though he was certain that gnomeo and I were both scum. I'm not going to quote myself identifying scum motivation all over Toog's ISO since D2 started because we both know that it's there. What's the Toog town case since scum started dying?

[BBmolla]

That just sounds like a dumbslip that I'd do.

[Desperado]

That just sounds like a dumbslip that I'd do.

No. The scum vote split of 2 to 1 was essential to his interpretation of the N1 vote. If he had truly forgotten that nominees couldn't vote then he would have credited the scum with 4 votes, not 3.

[RachMarie]

IIRC the nominees cant vote and the HoH cant vote right?

Which means it may have been 2 and not 3 scum able to vote since we put up peeps who were scummy...

I have not had the time to do full meta reads on everyone due to RL kicking me in the teeth (pun intended) . However I always put more weight on games I was in with someone because I have the give and take of actually interacting with them.

[Keybladewielder]

Elect me HOH:

My nominations will officially be Desperado and Minions.

[Titus]

Aww you forgot about me KBW. I'm sooo hurt.

I don't want HoH. If you want to vote me because you think I'm so town, vote Imperium. I want to see the next flip before I feel confident as to who the scums are.

[Titus]

Rach, yes the nominees cannot vote. The HoH votes only in the event of a tie.

[Desperado]

IIRC the nominees cant vote and the HoH cant vote right?

Which means it may have been 2 and not 3 scum able to vote since we put up peeps who were scummy...

I have not had the time to do full meta reads on everyone due to RL kicking me in the teeth (pun intended) . However I always put more weight on games I was in with someone because I have the give and take of actually interacting with them.

Elect me HOH:

My nominations will officially be Desperado and Minions.

Who do you actually think is going to nominate you based on this?

[Titus]

Des, what do you think of KBW scum?

[Keybladewielder]

Let me point this out; in most of the games i have played with Desperado, he was being nice as pie ( i even hydra'd with him once ). And in most (if not all) of those games; he was town.

I've never seen him play scum, but i do tend to notice a lot of people become a little meaner when they play scum. I myself am included.

So I see Desperado's change of attitude as scummy.

[Desperado]

Let me point this out; in most of the games i have played with Desperado, he was being nice as pie ( i even hydra'd with him once ). And in most (if not all) of those games; he was town.

I've never seen him play scum, but i do tend to notice a lot of people become a little meaner when they play scum. I myself am included.

So I see Desperado's change of attitude as scummy.

Ummm.....????

I was scum in Hell's Bottom. What else have we played together?

@ Titus: Doesn't fit into what I'm seeing so far but he's blatantly lying about our meta together right now so I'll get back to you on that.

[ToastyToast]

where is this slip you speak of?

[Bulbazak]

Let me point this out; in most of the games i have played with Desperado, he was being nice as pie ( i even hydra'd with him once ). And in most (if not all) of those games; he was town.

I've never seen him play scum, but i do tend to notice a lot of people become a little meaner when they play scum. I myself am included.

So I see Desperado's change of attitude as scummy.

Whether a person is nice or not has nothing to do with alignment. I've played with Desperado before, and I'm not seeing any difference in his play. He has a scumread, and he's going after it.

[Keybladewielder]

What I'm saying is scum players actually seem to get meaner than normal, and he's doing so right now.

[Bulbazak]

I'd disagree with that. Scum want to appease town, and that means they want town on their side, via such methods as buddying. In my experience, meaner players tend to be town.

[Voidedmafia]

Bump