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I'm only posing this because i am in a position where i can, but it needs to be posed, you COULD be scum.

In post 887, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 875, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:You had him as null when you first came in. What changed that he is a strong scumread now?

In post 879, fferyllt wrote:

In post 864, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 854, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, how sure are you about Toomai being scum?

He's a strong scumread at this point.

Why?

I've been rethinking my read on MSG/JacobSavage lately, and I'm feeling a lot better about that slot being town.

What has changed since then? Is it purely PoE based on your investigation of PA?

In post 1026, fferyllt wrote:What has changed since then? Is it purely PoE based on your investigation of PA?

Investigation of PA and lynch of Toomai shaked things up to the point where I'm not willing to trust your read of MSG so much anymore. Especially when I've been hit in the face with mantis's paranoia of you (which left her getting extremely concerned about you but not ignoring the rest of the game like MSG). I'm having trouble even getting a suspect #2 from the rubble (Rach-scum would be pretty fucking surprising although she looks the most likely at the moment), so I'm surprised you're having trouble letting go of that townread, honestly.

In post 1027, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1026, fferyllt wrote:What has changed since then? Is it purely PoE based on your investigation of PA?

Investigation of PA and lynch of Toomai shaked things up to the point where I'm not willing to trust your read of MSG so much anymore. Especially when I've been hit in the face with mantis's paranoia of you (which left her getting extremely concerned about you but not ignoring the rest of the game like MSG). I'm having trouble even getting a suspect #2 from the rubble (Rach-scum would be pretty fucking surprising although she looks the most likely at the moment), so I'm surprised you're having trouble letting go of that townread, honestly.

Mantis has orders of magnitude more mutual game experience with me. She's also way more familiar with MS meta and MS denizens that MSG is. The sum total of MSG's play experience at MS is his short time in this game.

Comparing their play doesn't really make sense IMO.

Nachomamma8, are you still town-reading fferyllt?

In post 1028, fferyllt wrote:Mantis has orders of magnitude more mutual game experience with me. She's also way more familiar with MS meta and MS denizens that MSG is. The sum total of MSG's play experience at MS is his short time in this game.

Comparing their play doesn't really make sense IMO.

It does to a point. Hence why I'm comparing their play to a point.

In post 1029, penguin_alien wrote:Nachomamma8, are you still town-reading fferyllt?

My townread there is dying out fairly quickly.

In post 1031, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1028, fferyllt wrote:Mantis has orders of magnitude more mutual game experience with me. She's also way more familiar with MS meta and MS denizens that MSG is. The sum total of MSG's play experience at MS is his short time in this game.

Comparing their play doesn't really make sense IMO.

It does to a point. Hence why I'm comparing their play to a point.

That distinction isn't coming across I guess. I'm pretty much reduced to PoE plus JacobSavage's apparently lackadaisical attitude about the game. I haven't found anything to fault in MSG's play.

PoE = JacobSavage + ?

In post 1033, Nachomamma8 wrote:PoE = JacobSavage + ?

Rach. Though the earlier back and forth between Amrun and Jason makes me nervous, mostly about Jason.

Actually for that bit of paranoia to be reality based, it would have to be a Nacho/Jason scum team. And I can't wrap my head around that pairing at all.

In post 1035, fferyllt wrote:Nacho/Jason

In post 1034, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1033, Nachomamma8 wrote:PoE = JacobSavage + ?

Rach. Though the earlier back and forth between Amrun and Jason makes me nervous, mostly about Jason.

Do you think there's a chance of Amrun being scum?

In post 1037, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1034, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1033, Nachomamma8 wrote:PoE = JacobSavage + ?

Rach. Though the earlier back and forth between Amrun and Jason makes me nervous, mostly about Jason.

Do you think there's a chance of Amrun being scum?

If it weren't for your result on PE, she'd be my strongest town read. Can you see her as scum?

Not really, no.

Mind taking me back through your case on Amrun-town?

In post 1040, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mind taking me back through your case on Amrun-town?

The only thing about her day 1 play that even mildly pinged was the sort of lockstep that she and CDB fell into. Everything else - her tunnel on LnGrrr, her irritation with Jason, her view on Stubbs, make town sense. Her lack of presence. Day 2, her trajectory on Stubbs made absolutely no sense for scum-Amrun.

My read went stale due to lack of activity on her part, but that was site-wide IIRC and she deep sixed that issue with the Stubbs push.

I don't get it ff, are you saying that Amrun is town or not?

I don't get it?

I'm saying she's town. I have PA above her in my townpile solely because of the combined cop/joat results ruling her out. Otherwise, in all likelihood I'd have voted PA again today.

Jacob, who do you think are the scum team?

In post 1043, fferyllt wrote:I'm saying she's town. I have PA above her in my townpile solely because of the combined cop/joat results ruling her out. Otherwise, in all likelihood I'd have voted PA again today.

So you've come to terms with your scum read on me being completely wrong. But it feels off that with one strong read being wrong barring a PA-Nacho scum team you're citing PoE anywhere in your current thought process:

In post 1032, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1031, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1028, fferyllt wrote:Mantis has orders of magnitude more mutual game experience with me. She's also way more familiar with MS meta and MS denizens that MSG is. The sum total of MSG's play experience at MS is his short time in this game.

Comparing their play doesn't really make sense IMO.

It does to a point. Hence why I'm comparing their play to a point.

That distinction isn't coming across I guess. I'm pretty much reduced to PoE plus JacobSavage's apparently lackadaisical attitude about the game. I haven't found anything to fault in MSG's play.

I'm not sure what JS's motive for basically claiming to have received fruit is as scum. I think it's null, and I'm not sure I'd vote for his lynch today.

In post 1045, penguin_alien wrote:

In post 1043, fferyllt wrote:I'm saying she's town. I have PA above her in my townpile solely because of the combined cop/joat results ruling her out. Otherwise, in all likelihood I'd have voted PA again today.

So you've come to terms with your scum read on me being completely wrong. But it feels off that with one strong read being wrong barring a PA-Nacho scum team you're citing PoE anywhere in your current thought process:

In post 1032, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1031, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1028, fferyllt wrote:Mantis has orders of magnitude more mutual game experience with me. She's also way more familiar with MS meta and MS denizens that MSG is. The sum total of MSG's play experience at MS is his short time in this game.

Comparing their play doesn't really make sense IMO.

It does to a point. Hence why I'm comparing their play to a point.

That distinction isn't coming across I guess. I'm pretty much reduced to PoE plus JacobSavage's apparently lackadaisical attitude about the game. I haven't found anything to fault in MSG's play.

I'm not sure what JS's motive for basically claiming to have received fruit is as scum. I think it's null, and I'm not sure I'd vote for his lynch today.

Town: Nacho, Jason, Penguin Alien by virtue of claims and investigation results

Prob town: Amrun - I can be pretty arrogant about my reads, and I personally would probably think long and hard about you three in my close to confirmed pile before considering lynching her.

That leaves: Rach, Jacob - Both of those slots have been town to me for a long time. Especially Jacob's slot.

Who are you thinking are scum?

Did Jacob claim he received fruit? I read that comment as a sort of read-between-the-lines of Jason's posts. But, I don't think he'd lie about receiving fruit no matter what his alignment.

Right now I'm honestly thinking you and JS. I tend to agree about Amrun. I'm not 100% sure on Nacho, just because it is possible scum had a role cop who investigated me to decide if they wanted to push my lynch today, but I do think JasonWazza finding that Nacho used an 'investigate' action on me should clear us of being a possible scum team. And realistically speaking, I think Nacho had more to gain from pushing my mislynch than clearing me, which would render a role cop on me superfluous.

I agree that he wouldn't lie about getting fruit, and I interpreted it as him claiming to have received the fruit, as otherwise he'd have no reason to state so definitively that I hadn't gotten fruit.

Amrun and RachMarie being absent makes me nervous. A lot of out-of-date reads going on here. I'm also not sure why anyone would expect us to have more PRs than a doc, JOAT, fruit vendor, and Malfoy cop. fferyllt, what would be your reaction to someone claiming a PR if we end up in LyLo? Where do you stand on massclaiming today?

another PR claim in LYLO? My eyebrows would disappear into my hairline.

Massclaiming today would hopefully decrease the likelihood of a mislynch and decrease the maneuvering room for scum after today.

Which is why this:

In post 1006, RachMarie wrote:PA how can you be so sure that all our PRs are out?

Let us not set anything in stone ok?

Bad enough we have so many already claimed.


Meanwhile

a vote


VOTE: JacobSavage

feel pretty good about this one being scum...

makes me leery. I'd expect RachMarie to be thinking about this as town.