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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:44 pm
by Minami no Hana
I think GiF got a scumread on him after he was voted for the first time or something, so I checked his ISO and got a gut scumread out of him, prob. GiF can explain his own more, but i'm not good at explaining where I get a gut scumread, but i'd advise you to take the same procedure i did, maybe you'll get it.
In post 529, Minami no Hana wrote:Rufflig: Leaning Scum, I didnt like his vote hoping everytime someone did as much as suspect him, and his vote on prohawk seemed opportunistic (bus?)
^
This was about the point where I got the gut scumread if it helps.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:46 pm
by TheFuzzylogic99
@ No Hana

I will look at his ISO and see if I find anything there

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:52 pm
by Kazekirimaru
But, guys, what about lynching Myko ._.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:53 pm
by Kazekirimaru
This wagon can go the distance!

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:54 pm
by mykonian
In post 1027, Kazekirimaru wrote:But, guys, what about lynching Myko ._.
bad plan, seen it enough, never ends well.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:57 pm
by Kazekirimaru
Pretty please?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:00 pm
by Mac
i had a dreamlast nifht cabd shot me

WHAT IS LIFE

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:01 pm
by pitoli
In post 1031, Mac wrote:i had a dreamlast nifht cabd shot me

WHAT IS LIFE
Mod, make it happen!

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:05 pm
by Mac
scum pls

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:08 pm
by Kazekirimaru
Mac, help me salvage this Myko wagon. Bale water whilst we ford the river!

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:11 pm
by Kazekirimaru
Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:39 pm
by ProHawk
In post 989, Nachomamma8 wrote: but I think scum partners would probably fill him in on Orc claim.
How exactly would this occur Nacho?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:47 pm
by ProHawk
Nacho, since you obviously feel like my case on Rufflig is bad, how about you explain my "line" without looking back at my ISO. What in the world makes you say Rufflig is/was an easy lynch at the time I voted him? Because Tammy was yelling he was scum?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:05 pm
by mykonian
In post 1035, Kazekirimaru wrote:Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?
that's a bit of a weird representation there. You tried to place a link between my cheerfulness and my allignment, and while I'm rather aware that sometimes I play much more cheerful then other times, this often has other causes.

But yes, I'm a bit laughing you off. It's trying to find tells in meta without understanding what you are looking for. I respond with where your ideas are off and where you might be onto something. Take a guess who's more busy with their meta, you or me ;) I'd be the last to say that my scummeta is the same as my townmeta. People who do haven't looked close enough, and it's the wrong goal to go for as scum. But I don't understand what you are doing if you think you can catch it by just glancing at the game. All the things you are going to see then are things the player himself can easily adapt. I got caught on post length 3 years ago or so by Spyrex, and although I don't remember if it got me lynched, that's stuff where there's no good reason to keep a disparity between scum and town. There is a good reason to use fewer smilies as scum. So idk, I think I mentioned it being a waste of a lot of words or something alike that. I don't know what you expected to get out of glancing over 7 games, discarding two because I was in a seriously bad mood there.

If you go over a small amount of games, you need to look at something specific so you can use a lot of posts as data, if you want to have some useful information coming from it. If you want to look for something general, you'll need a lot of games, because odds are you are going to catch differences that are caused by something else and if you are using a small amount of games, you have no way to average those influences out. Or in this case, you are catching how I felt about mafia at different times there. Or how long it had been that I was playing on an alt. You see me being very active in most games, take a look at my last. The Purple Rose, in bbmolla's game. I am aware that being very active gets me lynched, although it's a lot of fun and I think it's the best way to catch scum. It's the easiest thing to "fix" about my playstyle when playing on a different account. Forcing myself to fewer posts, deleting a couple more, and making your posts slightly longer etc, keeping a couple of types of thought simply away from the thread. It makes me look more town, apparently. Although in that game I messed it up by being too much of a myko once more, which is why I won't use the account anymore.

Anyway, these are too many words for what you posted. Basically I was bored and I don't feel like sleeping yet. Laughing it off was the nice option. Because I don't know how you managed to convince yourself within 5 pages (because five pages ago you made a post about how you didn't know where to go) to rally for my wagon with basically only a poor meta case based on general counting in the iso's of 7 games, on someone who replaced in half a week ago. Where, on top of that, you say you aren't very used to using meta. Well no, I can see that.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:02 pm
by Kazekirimaru
Shove your textwalls into an orifice of your choosing.

Fucking FUCK

I bet you think you're so clever. With your fucking walls. Blatantly admitting to handwaving my case away. Mocking my scumhunting and calling my case poor. Ugh.

Whatever. I'm used to people not listening to me. I'm sure Fuzzy or some other lynchbait will get the hammer towards deadline and we'll have a pisspoor start like most games do. I don't even care anymore. Today is a wash as far as I'm concerned.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:06 pm
by The Rufflig
In post 1035, Kazekirimaru wrote:Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?
I wasn't a fan of Mara, but I rather like Myko. What I like most about him is that he isn't going with the flow. He has put in his own ideas for everyone to consider and mull over instead of retreading the same old ground.

VOTE: Minami

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:21 pm
by ProHawk
In post 1040, The Rufflig wrote:I wasn't a fan of Mara, but I rather like Myko.
You do realize the alignment doesn't change with the person right?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:28 pm
by MafiaSSK
In post 1040, The Rufflig wrote:
In post 1035, Kazekirimaru wrote:Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?
I wasn't a fan of Mara, but I rather like Myko. What I like most about him is that he isn't going with the flow. He has put in his own ideas for everyone to consider and mull over instead of retreading the same old ground.

VOTE: Minami
What a jump. Mind explaining?

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:26 pm
by The Rufflig
@Prohawk:
Yes, I know the alignment doesn't change. I wasn't able to get a good read on Mara. While I may not agree with everything that Myko says, he seems to be fairly open with what is on his mind and like I said - he isn't coasting on the majority opinions to try and blend in. I care about a player's alignment, not how accurate I think their reads are.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:29 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
That nacho suggestion looked like it implied the knowledge of a scum encryptor

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:41 pm
by TheFuzzylogic99
orcinus_theoriginal wrote:That nacho suggestion looked like it implied the knowledge of a scum encryptor

What is a scum encryptor?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:50 am
by mykonian
In post 1039, Kazekirimaru wrote:Shove your textwalls into an orifice of your choosing.

Fucking FUCK

I bet you think you're so clever. With your fucking walls. Blatantly admitting to handwaving my case away. Mocking my scumhunting and calling my case poor. Ugh.

Whatever. I'm used to people not listening to me. I'm sure Fuzzy or some other lynchbait will get the hammer towards deadline and we'll have a pisspoor start like most games do. I don't even care anymore. Today is a wash as far as I'm concerned.
I'd like someone to talk with me about this post. I don't understand what it wants.

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:19 am
by ProHawk
In post 1044, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:That nacho suggestion looked like it implied the knowledge of a scum encryptor
Pretty much my point...

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:34 am
by ProHawk
In post 1043, The Rufflig wrote:
@Prohawk:
Yes, I know the alignment doesn't change. I wasn't able to get a good read on Mara. While I may not agree with everything that Myko says, he seems to be fairly open with what is on his mind and like I said - he isn't coasting on the majority opinions to try and blend in. I care about a player's alignment, not how accurate I think their reads are.
This is something I just don't get. But maybe its because I don't use personality-tells to scum hunt? :neutral:

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:29 am
by mykonian
In post 1036, ProHawk wrote:
In post 989, Nachomamma8 wrote: but I think scum partners would probably fill him in on Orc claim.
How exactly would this occur Nacho?
Missed this, and had no clue what you were talking about. Goodstuff. No clue if it has anything to do with his allignment, but this is nice.