MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[xRECKONERx]

Because declaring something "town v town" is high up on my personal list of scumtells.

[xRECKONERx]

It's pretty silly to declare something like "they both had good and bad points" then refuse to spend 10 minutes skimming 2 pages of the thread to find those points.

[Tim Howard]

A) I didn't declare it town v town by any stretch of the imagination
B) I don't see why that would be a scumtell anyway

Also, it's not the time commitment. It's that I don't particularly want to read through you guys arguing about how you don't like each other again.

[sangres]

Reck nacho thinks you are town and loves you. He requests your presence on the Katsuki wagon.

[xRECKONERx]

A) I didn't declare it town v town by any stretch of the imagination
B) I don't see why that would be a scumtell anyway

Also, it's not the time commitment. It's that I don't particularly want to read through you guys arguing about how you don't like each other again.

Huh, that's funny. Let's see here:

Posts where Sixty & I are arguing:
873, 888, 893, 894, 920, 925, 926, 931, 934, 935, 937, 938, 939, 942, 944, 945, 947, 949, 951, 952, 953, 957, 959, 961

Posts where Sixty & I are actually talking about how we don't like each other:
956, 963, 964, 970

TOTAL NUMBER OF POSTS THAT HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH PERSONAL ISSUES:

24.

TOTAL NUMBER OF POSTS THAT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH PERSONAL ISSUES:

4. And they all occurred at the VERY END of the debate.

Yeah, I'm

really

not buying that you just "didn't want to read through us arguing about not liking each other" because it's literally four fucking posts compared to the twenty-four posts where we actually have game-related debate.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Tim Howard

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1, VC 34

Tim Howard - (5):

Zdenek, Katsuki, Plum, kanyeknowsbest, xRECKONERx

Venmar - (2):

Nero Cain

, Untrod Tripod

Shadoweh - (1):

ChannelDelibird

xRECKONERx - (3):

Lady Lambdadelta, Sixty, Venmar

Plum - (1):

Flipping Awesome

Sixty - (1):

chamber

Katsuki - (3):

sangres, Shadoweh, Tim Howard

Not voting - (2):

Cerulean, Nobody Special

With

18

alive it takes

10

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

26th of April at 5pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)

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[sangres]

@FA/F-16

Nacho's response to your meta on Katsuki:

He agrees that katsuki adjusts his play style to the player list, and he thinks that in a player list like this where so many players are meta based katsuki won't play his stereotypical protown-looking scum game because we'd see it for what it is.

Also consider his activity level here versus his activity in Dark Ages of the Law and Natirasha on Parole, two very recent town games.

Nacho would also like you to respond to the flaws he pointed out in Empire's case. His activity here is definitely higher.

[Untrod Tripod]

psst Reck do you think that quadz saying that is actually alignment indicative rather than just bullshit indicative?

bullshit =/= scum

[Untrod Tripod]

He agrees that katsuki adjusts his play style to the player list

Katsuki has a playstyle?

[Untrod Tripod]

speaking of katsuki and his wagon

User: Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod _give_ <fuck>
ERROR: <fuck> not found!

[Katsuki]

He agrees that katsuki adjusts his play style to the player list

Katsuki has a playstyle?

[Untrod Tripod]

and don't even fucking start with me that that's not real syntax I fucking know but I JUST CAN'T FIND THAT FUCK TO GIVE ABOUT THAT

Venmar's still fuckin scum and I have no faith in our ability to blunder into an actual scum lynch the longer the day goes

I mean, christ, Reck's reasons alone for joining the Tim wagon should give him pause but he's too busy being pissed off at the rest of the game to realize that the wagon is made of bullshit and fail

[sangres]

Why would you change it?

because we were getting no traction and consolidation needed to happen. I was ready to compromise, but Nacho still feels really strongly that Katsuki is scum this time out.

Consolidation is still needed. I realize you've kinda scumread us and think maybe we're bussing Katsuki. Even if you think that, the Katsuki wagon makes a lot of sense. We're not getting lynched today. If we are bussing then why not help us?

[Untrod Tripod]

what the fuck happened with that Plum wagon? why did we stop wanting to do that? that Plum is RIPE for a lynch

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

no but seriously I'll lynch Plum.

[sangres]

He agrees that katsuki adjusts his play style to the player list

Katsuki has a playstyle?

You do indeed. The metaing is all done with the greatest love and respect for your scum game.

[xRECKONERx]

psst Reck do you think that quadz saying that is actually alignment indicative rather than just bullshit indicative?

bullshit =/= scum

yes

[Katsuki]

He agrees that katsuki adjusts his play style to the player list

Katsuki has a playstyle?

You do indeed. The metaing is all done with the greatest love and respect for your scum game.

INSERT COIN
TRY AGAIN

[Untrod Tripod]

bullshit and fail, reck

bullshit

and

fail

[xRECKONERx]

Nope.

I literally just caught Nuwen-scum doing the same hand-wavey bullshit where she'd make up false justifications for her bad reads/statements and never actually correct them. I'm not getting burned again.

[Untrod Tripod]

you're really going to compare nuwen to quadz

like

really

[Plum]

All right, going to try to make this quick/not torture myself:

Townread on sangres via ffery, reading an honest and accurate assessment of me. Slightly less clear, but decent Townread on Awesome hydra, similar reasoning on F16 - he seems to be making an honest effort at evaluating and reevaluating me with his tool of choice (meta, which is not usually mine, but to each his or her own). If anyone affiliated with either of those hydrae wants me to discuss something they brought up that wasn't a direct question (which I'll get to) and that I don't otherwise address later in this post, just say the word.

I still think Tim Howard is a good bet for scum.

Town (Strongest->Weakest): Cerulean, Chamber, LLD, Sangres, CDB, Zdenek, Sixty
Scum are among: {Shadoweh, Plum, Venmar, Katsuki, Nero Cain, NS, Kanye, UT, Reck, Tim Howard}

So maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you seriously saying that you're scumreading 10 people? Because this is absolutely yelling "FALLBACK WAGONS AHOY"

I know there have been other things that happened since our last post but I needed to comment on that before bed because like daaaaaaamn.

Didn't Sixty basically do the same thing? Also, not super convinced by this display of casual spontaneity, just saying. Oh hey, I'd forgotten that this was what Sixty responded to re TH when I skimmed last night.

LLD's power would be

great

Day 1 in terms of increasing chance of killing scum with the effective lynch (working with LLD Town for this hypothetical). It would not be a good thing to plan on doing from the outset - I think, anyway - because it will make Day 1 a much less effective tool in future Days.

Looking forward to seeing TH cover his ass when F16 reconsiders his scumread on me, upcoming in Plum makes sure she doesn't miss anything really important but is pretty sure this happens somewhere along the line. Wait, addendum, nevermind, quick jump to Kats. Mehhhhh.

his comment about the gamestate being weird and hard to read is true enough

Can you say what you were thinking here?

The fact that I was also experiencing the sort of blocks that he describes was suggestive to me that he was operating with the game from the same uninformed/Town perspective I was, which gave some pause to my concerns/paranoia.

I think the placement of his votes is opportunistic - not in the traditional overblown "lol I can take advantage of it to drive a Shadoweh lynch here and now!" but come out of a desire to take advantage of certain things in the gamestate. I think that was possibly the case with his TH vote and more likely than that was the case for his Shadoweh vote.

What things in the game-state do you think that NS was taking advantage of when he voted Tim Howard?

One of the first big serious wagons; he gets on it, he doesn't have to worry about driving the wagon per se if that's not advantageous/will garner attention he doesn't want, he doesn't get yelled at for voting for someone who has no wagon on him/her without a case and without pushing it. It's a reasonable perch from which he can go with the flow. This is mostly regardless of their and TH's mutual alignments. Certainly it's not the only plausible exegesis of the behavior, buuuuut coupled with what I thought was a similar position on the Shadoweh wagon, with the same little substance/doesn't matter because I'm jumping on the biggest wagon in a land of small-fry wagons, etc.

Oh yeah, and Cerulean's #864 effectively eases any remaining paranoia on my part.

Also: MASSIVE TOXICITY (Sixty/Reck). Hoorah. Massive toxicity I don't feel confident drawing alignment-related conclusions from as yet, but we strive for glory.

[Cerulean]

I have to wake up early tomorrow for a hearing so this is basically a prod dodge until after it's over.

[Shadoweh]

I'm really looking forward to seeing who writes the best haiku in two days. imo poetry and rap battles are how mafia *should* be played.

speaking of katsuki and his wagon

User: Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod _give_ <fuck>
ERROR: <fuck> not found!

If you replace your name with Everyone, that's how people feel about Venmar right now. If you move maybe it'll encourage Nero Cain to give up too and vote someone who's actually happening. Just Do It (tm)

If Katsuki doesn't ramp up by tomorrow I'm just going to move back to Tim Hortons.

[Nero Cain]

If Katsuki doesn't ramp up by tomorrow I'm just going to move back to Tim Hortons.

mmmm donuts.

Still don't think Venmar is town but there's no support for him which makes me sad. I agree that I should move my vote (unless I get Venmar support *crosses fingers*) and I'm pretty much ok with all the wagons sans Tim Howard and Reck. So I'll see what happens in the next 30ish hours.