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Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:43 pm**

In post 1021, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1018, TehBrawlGuy wrote:oh nvm ep nuked it for being an outside link
I'll go generate a less shitty plaintext version.
Thanks to EP then...

*shrug* I gave him my blessing to do what he saw fit, and I can see why outside links are a problem. I'm sad people can't look through the different sorts - sorting by when I assigned the ranking gives a pretty good view into my head I think, but it's not a huge deal.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:46 pm**

Plus if

TBG

were scum, it would just seem so easy for his buddies to go on the

"kill-

PP

-via-ranking"

mentality.

And the fact that

PP and Espe

are still alive kind of make me think he was alone with this train of thought. Thus, more likely town.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:49 pm**

@TBG use this

Code: Select all


[table][row][cell]Player#[/cell][cell]Player Name[/cell][cell]Ranking[/cell][cell]Reasoning[/cell][cell]Order ranking assigned[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]1[/cell][cell]TehBrawlGuy[/cell][cell]10[/cell][cell][/cell][cell]1[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]2[/cell][cell]Taly[/cell][cell]1[/cell][cell]Doesn't need the points and I want to make sure my lowest point values go to people not on the lynch block[/cell][cell]9[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]3[/cell][cell]Punreader[/cell][cell]10[/cell][cell]I buy his claim and I want him to be superpowered[/cell][cell]4[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]4[/cell][cell]MariaR[/cell][cell]8[/cell][cell]Gaming the vote system to prevent lynch[/cell][cell]7[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]5[/cell][cell]DeasVail[/cell][cell]5[/cell][cell]See Notes[/cell][cell]15[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]6[/cell][cell]Espeonage[/cell][cell]0[/cell][cell]obvscum[/cell][cell]3[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]7[/cell][cell]Dunnstral[/cell][cell]9[/cell][cell]He needs to be > espe[/cell][cell]5[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]8[/cell][cell]Nahdia[/cell][cell]6[/cell][cell]Filler Town read[/cell][cell]14[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]9[/cell][cell]the worst[/cell][cell]2[/cell][cell]Doesn't need the points and I want to make sure my lowest point values go to people not on the lynch block[/cell][cell]10[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]10[/cell][cell]Pine[/cell][cell]10[/cell][cell]Gaming the vote system to prevent lynch[/cell][cell]6[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]11[/cell][cell]Shoshin[/cell][cell]7[/cell][cell]Filler, but a combination of Sho seeming different than her scumplay in our last game, and thinking she's decent skill-wise[/cell][cell]12[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]12[/cell][cell]Fire Assassin[/cell][cell]4[/cell][cell]See Notes[/cell][cell]15[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]13[/cell][cell]Lovebird[/cell][cell]5[/cell][cell]See Notes[/cell][cell]15[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]14[/cell][cell]Chara[/cell][cell]6[/cell][cell]Filler Town read[/cell][cell]13[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]15[/cell][cell]Srceenplay[/cell][cell]3[/cell][cell]Doesn't need the points and I want to make sure my lowest point values go to people not on the lynch block[/cell][cell]11[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]16[/cell][cell]Vaxkiller[/cell][cell]4[/cell][cell]See Notes[/cell][cell]15[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]17[/cell][cell]PenguinPower[/cell][cell]0[/cell][cell]obvscum[/cell][cell]2[/cell][/row]

[row][cell]18[/cell][cell]NicoRobin[/cell][cell]0[/cell][cell]hard lurking, not sure if Scum but would rather PL via rankings than actual lynch[/cell][cell]8[/cell][/row][/table]

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:50 pm**

Player#	Player Name	Ranking	Reasoning	Order ranking assigned
1	TehBrawlGuy	10		1
2	Taly	1	Doesn't need the points and I want to make sure my lowest point values go to people not on the lynch block	9
3	Punreader	10	I buy his claim and I want him to be superpowered	4
4	MariaR	8	Gaming the vote system to prevent lynch	7
5	DeasVail	5	See Notes	15
6	Espeonage	0	obvscum	3
7	Dunnstral	9	He needs to be > espe	5
8	Nahdia	6	Filler Town read	14
9	the worst	2	Doesn't need the points and I want to make sure my lowest point values go to people not on the lynch block	10
10	Pine	10	Gaming the vote system to prevent lynch	6
11	Shoshin	7	Filler, but a combination of Sho seeming different than her scumplay in our last game, and thinking she's decent skill-wise	12
12	Fire Assassin	4	See Notes	15
13	Lovebird	5	See Notes	15
14	Chara	6	Filler Town read	13
15	Srceenplay	3	Doesn't need the points and I want to make sure my lowest point values go to people not on the lynch block	11
16	Vaxkiller	4	See Notes	15
17	PenguinPower	0	obvscum	2
18	NicoRobin	0	hard lurking, not sure if Scum but would rather PL via rankings than actual lynch	8

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:50 pm**

worst I fucking love you. how did you generate that so fast?

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:52 pm**

jesus...I was about to be a sarcastic ass and the worst ended up being awesome.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:52 pm**

I'm not locktowning TBG quite as hard as others but at this juncture I'd be really surprised if he was scum

that said he was in about the same tier as Espe and I haven't really gone back and worked through how I was so far off base there..

pedit: Excel trick, basically edited emdashes into your posts to use as delimited "text to column" breaks, did the thing, then inserted new columns in between the actual columns to use for bbcode :>

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:53 pm**

VOTE: Espeonage

I'm going to bed.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:54 pm**

In post 1031, the worst wrote:I'm not locktowning TBG quite as hard as others but at this juncture I'd be really surprised if he was scum

omg

TW

, we are being a 2-slot in-thread hydra rn

<3

like we are synced AF

i will say, im questioning

PP

-scum a bit more now, but atm i want to lynch the guilty

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:56 pm**

gngn PP

I concur, Espe is going down today.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:08 pm**

In post 1028, TehBrawlGuy wrote:He needs to be > espe

This wasn't true btw if you're talking about my quest

I needed Fire Assassin above Vax, and I was against Espe

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:14 pm**

He realised he misunderstood that btw

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:38 pm**

the dumb thing is that I even remembered about it before deadline, I just forgot to resubmit my list with it changed

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:12 pm**

The Worst, I find the timing of the 921 vote on Vaxkiller a bit strange. Do you believe that his posting up to that point was more likely to come from scum, and if so, why?

In post 932, Taly wrote:OK maybe I was onto something when I gave
Vax
a 0

Again, I'm not really as convinced by Vax being scum from their posts as other people are? Do you have experience with vax that makes you think this?

In post 977, Shoshin wrote:DV called Esp town yesterday, right? I'd be curious to hear about where the townread came from and why he changed his mind, but otherwise the votes on Esp are fine. I haven't liked Esp's posting today and I don't mind seeing pressure there.

Hi Shoshin. I had a townread on Espe early Day 1 (see 182, but by the time of 652, my townread had disappeared and I ranked him quite low on my rankings list due to considering everyone ranked above him more likely to be town. There wasn't anything that I considered "scummy" as such from Day 1. However, the main reasons for my vote on him Day 2 actually stemmed from his Day 2 posting. I felt that 832 was over-cautious for Espe. I feel like Espe-town in that scenario would just post his rankings if he wanted to, or not post his rankings yet if he didn't want to, but the question felt forced to me. I also didn't like 841 and I didn't like the pre-emptive answer in 853.

--

I also don't understand people being confused about Fire not outing the guilty right away. I definitely feel it was valuable to receive everyone's rankings and be able to gauge responses to the beginning of the Espe wagon.

But yeah, I'm cool with Espe being lynched now.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:16 pm**

MEOW!

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:20 pm**

yas I could see Vax's posting coming from scum

could you not?

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:21 pm**

like in fairness, hindsight is 20/20 and there was an element of knee-jerk in my vote

but I'm really not doubting that inno

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:23 pm**

In post 1038, DeasVail wrote:if so, why?

It would be great to have more on this if possible. As in what about his posting led you to thinking scum. My main aim is to get more insight into your thought process, because I thought as I was reading Vax's posts that they were pretty town, but were the sort of posts that would be easy to latch onto (for either scum or town).

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:25 pm**

how the fuck did they strike you as pretty town?

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:25 pm**

Please answer my question first.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:26 pm**

I can probably elaborate after work on what was pinging me. I'll admit there was an element of knee-jerk and sheer pressurevote there but like....that's a weird take without the prob!inno

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:28 pm**

actually

might dig in my heels and insist you explain first.

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:36 pm**

okay fair enough, sorry for being a bit pushy about it

Vax's posting Day 2 has been pretty all-over-the-place with much less awareness of the game, and much less self-awareness, than I would expect from scum, who generally have a higher than usual amount of both of those things. Stuff like getting mad about about how his strong townread Pine died is ridiculous, I agree, but town are often going to have a high opinion about their own reads and in some cases even believe that their reads should be magically adopted by the other players. So getting upset about someone shooting Pine is, I feel, more in line with how town are going to be thinking. Stuff like 920 and 922 again place a high amount of importance on their own opinions/predictions, even though, as TBG pointed out, the prediction itself was pretty vague.

This sort of stuff is possible to fake I guess, but difficult, and it was why I asked Taly about experience with Vax, because obviously if Vax is not usually like this then that would raise alarms.

However, my inclination from their posts was that they were probably town, yet the posting "looked bad" in a way such that it would be easy for people to jump onto it.

Regarding Maria's result, given the ambiguous nature of the result and my uncertainty as to Maria's alignment, I am not putting too much stock in that right now. However, it's more reason not to entertain a Vax lynch imo. I'm more just interested in people's responses to Vax's posting really.

PEdit:

haha, I like it!

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:47 pm**

sure that's an okay read I guess. I'm still really not sure that's all that difficult to fake as scum but it's probably fair to say my reaction was spilled over by being irritated more so than Vaxk #scumposting or w/e

Look tbh I rushed my ratings because I was sick as a dog over the weekend and kinda bad at taking much away from d1 in a general sense but vaxk didn't get a great rating from me because he was just kinda.... an occupant of the game......

I also kinda leantowned on Pine as discussed but some of us actually made a deal of it. Here's the extent of Vaxk's discussions on Pine. brace yourself......

In post 716, Vaxkiller wrote:Pine where you at here with scum/town

dats it.
like I spoke out about pine because for a while I could see his slot potentially being at risk of being PoE'd into a rankings list. considering the strength of Vaxk's read I was kinda surprised he just chilled while Pine lurked himself into the abyss then jumps into d2 like "no0o0o0o0o my townread is dead"

so we may be at an impasse but I feel like Vaxk's posting is liable to be fake. given the current shenanigans I'm chill w shelving it and letting Vaxk produce more AI content

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:49 pm**

was kinda nervous you were trying to push me into a corner where I'm forced to over explain something I don't feel all that strongly about.

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