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In post 1024, OkaPoka wrote:because the only time she interacts with people on a deeper level is when she gets accused of scum.

but if she backs off now, idk, maybe she is just not an aggressive player in general

In post 1025, OkaPoka wrote:im excited that you voted me tho

let's 1v1

ill case you up

In post 1025, OkaPoka wrote:im excited that you voted me tho

let's 1v1

ill case you up

In post 1023, nancy wrote:Yeah, I've just been putting off talking about it because I don't feel as confident as I would like to. Here, I'll post part of what I wrote in my IC topic.


I've kind of come around to an Oka scumread at this point. I feel like I both love and hate his play this game. Regardless of his alignment, his posting is so recklessly majestic that it's hard not to appreciate it. I just kind of struggle more and more to see him as town here.

His reads early in the game feel so so fake, it feels like he's going through the motions and just kind of abruptly lands at 3-4 townreads and it's like, I just don't believe that he's done the work to get those reads or genuinely has them. I feel like that's kind of the story of his play here this game. He feels more like a papier-maché of a townie than an actual townie.

The only things kind of pulling me back on this read I think are his level of engagement and the way he's positioned himself on Trinity, but like, on the flip side of that, he's not really seeming to go anywhere with anything, and he's been tunneled on Trinity for ~30 pages now and every time she's addressed his concerns he's just found new reasons to scumread her, and that doesn't feel real to me.

I think, ultimately, there are too moments at this point where he has done something that has felt incredibly fake for me to touch him with even a hint of a townread, and short of getting a scumflip and clearing him via spew or antialignments I just can't see myself believing that he's town.

Like, if I put this slot aside today then I would basically have to be donning a mask and playing a part in a farce, just hoping that maybe maybe maybe he could clear himself somewhere down the line, and when I don't have any scumreads that I feel super strongly about I don't think that's a super realistic option.

Vote: OkaPoka

nancy ~ )) - Flicker - Trinity -- Iceman - )) ------ Quick, FF % )) > -- Eragon ---- WhyMafia )) -------- OkaPoka )) ~


Why would you expect her to double down as scum? It seems to me like your whole basis for scumreading her is that she's milquetoast, so I don't really get how you would expect that from her at all.

In post 98, nancy wrote:What are Pregame Readscales lmao

nancy ~ )) ---- )) ---- stan - FF, Trinity - [Iceman, Eragon] % )) - > SA, OkaPoka - Flicker )) ~

In post 1021, nancy wrote:I think your reads have been pretty wishy-washy. Your Eragon read is the only one that I've seen you really stick to. It's not the worst thing in the world to be wishy-washy. You replaced in not very long ago, you're still getting a feel for the game, sure, I get it. That does need to change at some point, though.

In post 1038, OkaPoka wrote:in nancy's scum pt, she explains how charisma is the most important trait to have for scum

and she hates bussing

In post 1029, nancy wrote:Fuck man I was really killing myself there for a while. I had no confidence, I even ran through a ton of your past games to try to figure out if there was some god damn secret to your play here that I could find.

I guess I'll just post the rest of my stuff from my IC topic then.

Spoiler: OkaPoka

When I try to follow his early Trinity read, I look at the way he asked her whether she was being sarcastic in 113, then as soon as she replied he dropped townreads on her, me and stan in 122. Really feels like he was just already going to say he townread her there and wanted that exchange with her as an excuse to make it. There's no sense that he actually did work to get there on her and it makes no sense that he would include me and stan in there if he was actually focused on sorting her specifically there.

Then he says that he's having a hard time scumreading anyone, but like, it's not even 200 posts into the game, two slots hadn't even posted at that point, it's just such a premature thought to have there and doesn't feel believable as something he felt as town. His explanations for his reads in 137 don't feel like real things at all. He's literally copy pasted the same reasoning for townreading me and Trinity and calls stan a "rational town player" which just sounds like some kind of nondescript archetype and not an actual description of someone's play. His reasoning for townreading Trinity makes even less sense because it's completely disconnected from his earlier exchange with her, not to mention she hadn't been interacting that much and like, again, it's less than 200 posts into the game, even if "interacting that much" were something to townread, and it isn't, the timing of it makes no sense.

His read on Flicker also flips around and I just struggle to see that being a real read from him. "FF is town because reasons" is literally not even a read. Then he moves and calls Icemand and SA mafia because he's townreading everyone else and like... no, dude, that's not real, not on page 6. Especially not when it doesn't line up with his suspicion of Flicker.

I'm sort of going to skip around from here because his ISO is way too long to go through.

I so didn't like 172, it feels like a fake reaction to FF's content and he hasn't actually engaged with FF at all.

He says he feels lost in 252 but like, he has 5 townreads? I don't understand how anyone can ever feel lost with 5 townreads before the game has barely even started.

The way he backs up his read on FF later, a few times actually, feels a decent amount like TMI bleeding through because the things he's talking about wrt FF aren't very alignment indicative but he's supporting a townread with them. (267, 277, 779)

His scumread on Trinity in 283 contradicts his earlier townread on her and the read just feels super tacky. It feels like he's trying to paint her as scum rather than actually believing that she's mafia. And uh... he's literally held the scumread for nearly 30 pages now without wavering, and his reasoning for scumread her has constantly changed as his old reasoning has become insufficient which I think is really slimy.

321 was icky on a spiritual level. It felt like he started buddying me when he saw that I was pushing back a little on the scumreads on him and wanted to amuse himself with who I thought was mafia rather than actually do anything to solve the game together.

345 he's kind of blatantly admitting to sheeping which is... bad? But maybe not scummy bad, since he's like openly admitting it? Idk. There's a bunch of this kind of attitude all throughout his ISO and it's super super skeevy. (468, 668/683, 919)

The interaction with Trinity in 390 and 392 feels like open wolfing tbh. I don't understand how town thinks any of the things that Oka is thinking in here. Like, he's just openly admitting to throwing shade on her, talking about how he's pushing her because he doesn't want to be lynched, it's just... ugh, god, how is this ever town, it's so bad I think it might just be town but I don't think I can ever let it live because it's just too nasty.

624 just feels way too close to "yeah I'm a wolf but your reasons are wrong" for comfort.

639 feels like a cardboard cut-out of a townie, like, literally don't believe those are ever things that Oka has been feeling in this game.

652 feels like he's trying to project a version of scum behavior specifically to make himself look town for not conforming to it. He makes a lot of posts like this.

684 this is just like. Either some of the worst villager process I have ever seen, or it's just a wolf, and either way, I think you just have to lynch it, because the times where it's a wolf probably outnumber the times where it's a villager.

703 is just another post where I feel like he's pulling stuff out of his ass. Like, he's presented no reason for there to be 2 mafia in that grouping, for all I know he just pulled 2 other names besides Trinity out of a hat and said "hey guys there's scum in here!".

I still think the "as long as there is a better lynch today" part of 785 is scum mindset through and through and the only thing holding me back from taking it as a scumclaim is that he's um, plainly stating it in thread.

The way he jumps out with a random post discrediting me in 920 feels like a moment of scum frustration. I also, um, never wrote a case, which kinda contributes to feeling that he's not real.

And add to that your response to my scumread here which um, literally never comes from town. Sorry dude.

In post 1044, OkaPoka wrote:I think that today, we can not lynch FF/Quick/Nancy simply because if one of these people are scum, the others have to be able to counter them