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In post 1023, Tanner wrote:I mean, they theoretically could've taken a blind guess, too.

Why do people leave room for "blind luck" in a game with a slowass tempo and no need to make hasty decision?
Everything claim-related can be thought out and planned.

In post 1019, Tanner wrote:mavs bussing Persi here would be a true clown fiesta though.

There are no redirects etc. in normals, and from what I've read I don't hink a normal can have a scum miller. mavs is 100% town.

pedit: what do you mean "about Tanner"?

Knightmare saying you and I are opposite alignments. If you're deep scum well played, but assuming you're town, when i flip green Knightmare won't be on board with you. At this point I still hold by my scum team and think knightmare is bad town.

In post 1018, Knightmare491 wrote:popo's day play today makes sense from the point of view that they are a PR who had a guilty on you so I believe them over you.

My play makes perfect sense as a 1X rolecop in a setup with two millers, so that should be a draw.

In post 1022, Knightmare491 wrote:The fact that farside was killed night 1 also points towards Persivul scum.

And it points to luca/popo scum, so that's a draw.

In post 1026, Persivul wrote:

In post 1019, Tanner wrote:mavs bussing Persi here would be a true clown fiesta though.

There are no redirects etc. in normals, and from what I've read I don't hink a normal can have a scum miller. mavs is 100% town.

I'm aware. That's why I keep repeating, the two of you must be of the same alignment. Which is why I don't get mavs's vote at all. (which is why I'm saying if you two actually are scum together and he's panic-bussing you right now I'll be laughing post-game.)

In post 1026, Persivul wrote:

pedit: what do you mean "about Tanner"?

Knightmare saying you and I are opposite alignments. If you're deep scum well played, but assuming you're town, when i flip green Knightmare won't be on board with you. At this point I still hold by my scum team and think knightmare is bad town.

My issue there is that Knight can apparently see me as Town being fooled by scum!you, but can't see me as Town genuinely believing Town!you, when from Town!me's PoV, there's no visible difference between the two.

In post 426, farside22 wrote:Scum reads: red panda, luca,

knight

/persivul.

Good catch tanner.

UNVOTE: Persivul

I dont really know. Persivul's point makes sense. Why wouldn't there be some way to counter the double miller? No one else claimed any result on either of them.

Also, farside NK fits both slots. So that's no help.

Luca was also scumreading yesterday so to be his target makes sense.

I read popo's ISO... Persi is 100% scum. There's absolutely no chance in hell that popo randomly made up that claim at the last minute. At all. All through today popo said Persi was today's lynch, and Persi was lying.

So yes, Persi is today's lynch.

Knightmare dived on that bus so fast that he must have thought it was the last one out of the station.

Tanner is either scum with Persi, as he's been solidly backing Persi from the start, or has been very much misguided. Either way, Tanner needs to properly reasses his reads, because currently they're buggered.

In post 1029, Tanner wrote:My issue there is that Knight can apparently see me as Town being fooled by scum!you, but can't see me as Town genuinely believing Town!you, when from Town!me's PoV, there's no visible difference between the two.

Yep. With three scum in the game I'm probably going to be lynched today, so I'd like to solve this before then. In fact:
UNVOTE:

We know it's me or popo today, so there's no need for anyone to rush it.

In post 1021, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 984, mavsfan41 wrote:Also, in that scum tracker scenario with the whole telling the truth about George but lying about you would clear George as there’s no reason scum tracker would actually track their scum buddy George.

I do not understand how you can be saying this.
If popooopo is scum, they either tracked

TOWN!george

to know they didn't do anything N1, or they tracked anywhere else, and they KNOW their

scumbuddy!george

didn't move.

Scum Tracker Popopo is NOT a thing. They’re either lying about the results (George would be scum in this scenario but I don’t think Popopopo/George scum team) OR Popopopo is a tracker who is telling the truth which means scum!Persivul.

Scum tracker Popopo would be tracking George and telling the truth in this scenario BUT lying about Percivul in an attempt to frame him. This was more of a “here’s why this post below is not a thing that’s going on”

In post 951, UnaBombaH wrote:Food for thought: assume popopopo is scum fakeclaiming - how did they know georgebailey didn't go anywhere N1?

This premise is based off George’s 857 post NOT being a Popopo/George scum pairing.

In post 1032, PranaDevil wrote:I read popo's ISO... Persi is 100% scum. There's absolutely no chance in hell that popo randomly made up that claim at the last minute. At all. All through today popo said Persi was today's lynch, and Persi was lying.

So yes, Persi is today's lynch.

Knightmare dived on that bus so fast that he must have thought it was the last one out of the station.

Tanner is either scum with Persi, as he's been solidly backing Persi from the start, or has been very much misguided. Either way, Tanner needs to properly reasses his reads, because currently they're buggered.

So your scumpool is {Pers, Knight, Tanner/???}

Can you give us some more on that last slot?

@Prana

In post 1032, PranaDevil wrote:Knightmare dived on that bus so fast that he must have thought it was the last one out of the station.

Tanner is either scum with Persi, as he's been solidly backing Persi from the start, or has been very much misguided. Either way, Tanner needs to properly reasses his reads, because currently they're buggered.

Credit where credit is due, that bus line genuinely made me laugh.

What do you think about my point against Knightmare? That Knightmare can apparently see me/Persi as either T/S or S/T but not T/T?

@mavs
have you read my points about you/Persi being aligned? Do you really think you're the second Miller in a game with not only no means to confirm either Miller, but that also scum!Persi decided to "deepwolf" and save you as opposed to letting you get lynched tomorrow?

Honestly anyone thinking me/Knightmare are S/S needs to learn how to read. That guy is either Town who's making a horrible leap in logic or scum trying to set me up after either popo/Persi die.

@Tanner, we know that one of Persivul and popo is scum, why do you want to lynch a tracker over an essentially VT?

PD is the worst town ever or scum, there's no in between. I don't even understand how he has those reads.

In post 1032, PranaDevil wrote:
Knightmare dived on that bus so fast that he must have thought it was the last one out of the station.

Idk. On a scale of 1- the speed at which Knightmare jumped on Drew after my CC, I’d say this is about a 6.

As for the Tanner case if Persivul flips scum, 976 is quintessential scum buddy bargaining an alternative lynch to protect his buddy. As I’ve explained, this makes no sense coming from neutral town to lynch a potential tracker vs a 1x PR. And since Tanner has been pushing a Knightmare lynch all game, I would easily vote Tanner over Knightmare on a Persivul scum flip.

But Knightmare quickly unvoted when it got to L-1. If it was a bus he'd probably just silently stay on the wagon.

@knightmare
Because (1) I trust that essentially a VT much more than I trust that Tracker claim, and (2) even if Persivul is scum and we lynched him today, popo is gonna get shot tonight. There's most likely no protectives since our IC died.

What about Prana's reads can't you understand? He's voting Persi, and he can apprently see me as scum. I'd say your reads are quite similar.

Comment on this?

In post 1029, Tanner wrote:My issue there is that Knight can apparently see me as Town being fooled by scum!you, but can't see me as Town genuinely believing Town!you, when from Town!me's PoV, there's no visible difference between the two.

In post 1038, Knightmare491 wrote:@Tanner, we know that one of Persivul and popo is scum, why do you want to lynch a tracker over an essentially VT?

You lynch me today and I flip green.

HOPEFULLY when you see my 1X you'll all realize that popo's claim is mechanically impossible and lynch him.

What are you reads at that point? Who are the other two scum?

I don't mind dying if we go on to win, but mavs is stuck on popo/george being different alignments due to a single vote, and you're stuck on me/tanner being different alignments, despite him being the towniest player in the game.

In post 1036, Tanner wrote:@mavs
have you read my points about you/Persi being aligned?

Do you really think you're the second Miller in a game with not only no means to confirm either Miller,

but that also scum!Persi decided to "deepwolf" and save you as opposed to letting you get lynched tomorrow?

I'll be honest I totally forgot about this. I'll give it some thought.

In post 1042, Tanner wrote:What about Prana's reads can't you understand? He's voting Persi, and he can apprently see me as scum. I'd say your reads are quite similar.

He has you, persi and me in the scum pool. Tell me which universe that is possible in.

In post 1042, Tanner wrote:even if Persivul is scum and we lynched him today, popo is gonna get shot tonight. There's most likely no protectives since our IC died.

You could pretty much say the same in reverse. You dont think this confirms Persivul if Popo is scum?

Also, why do you trust a 1-shot claim over a PR claim?

Let's do one thing. Let's just fucking mass claim. If we lynch wrong then it's becomes pointless.

In post 1046, GeorgeBailey wrote:

In post 1042, Tanner wrote:even if Persivul is scum and we lynched him today, popo is gonna get shot tonight. There's most likely no protectives since our IC died.

You could pretty much say the same in reverse. You dont think this confirms Persivul if Popo is scum?

Also, why do you trust a 1-shot claim over a PR claim?

I do think it confirms Persivul but Persivul is 1-shot ANYWAY so he wouldn't be able to get more results NO MATTER IF HE GETS SHOT OR NOT

Because popo is scummy as fuck and his claim is scummy as fuck? You know scum can fakeclaim? Why in the ever loving hell should I believe him? Becuasse he claimed ungated Tracker? Use your brain. Please the only thing I'm begging this Town please start using your brains. How is popo claiming an Ungated Tracker in any way shape or form more clearing or credible over Persi claiming 1-shot?

@knightmare please stop ignoring this thank you.

In post 1042, Tanner wrote:Comment on this?

In post 1029, Tanner wrote:My issue there is that Knight can apparently see me as Town being fooled by scum!you, but can't see me as Town genuinely believing Town!you, when from Town!me's PoV, there's no visible difference between the two.