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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:44 pm
by skitter30
I acknowledge i see that post but i will pick up tomorrow ^
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:51 pm
by Infinity 324
Skitter has strong arguments but doesn’t ~feel~ right
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:37 pm
by TheGoldenParadox
okay i've accepted i'm going to be limmed and i ask that y'all give me a chance to look at my reads before hammering me
here is what you should take from my townflip
gypyx is always town here
dunn is probably scum
i'll work on providing a few more reads but i'm ridiculously confident in town gypyx and somewhat confident in scum dunn and i ask that in the second part of d1 upon my flip you get dunn)
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:37 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
can you explain those 2 reads?
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:39 pm
by TheGoldenParadox
i've towncased gypyx pretty well imho
my scumcase on dunn is admittedly less evidence based but there is a strong opening post/gutread on that slot and i ask you take it into consideration
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:50 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Can you just summarize it again? Just the key points would be fine thanks :3
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:36 pm
by Morning Tweet
do you have a read on jessie (TRQ), Golden?
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:06 pm
by Morning Tweet
In post 1005, Gloria Cleary wrote:993 I have seen scum towncase their buddies so if TGP were to flip scum, I wouldn’t necessarily rule out Gypx as a buddy. It would be much easier for me if Dunn were to obvtown but he still definitely looks better here than TGP. In general a trustworthy towntell is having lots of townreads eventhough I’ve seen people get suspicious of that, because it’s not smart for scum to do that because then they have to walk them back and TGP has pushed on way more slots in this game than he has townreads on. I think he only mentioned Gypyx and me iirc?
I see, but have you seen scum towncase a buddy as their main contribution to the thread by far? 12ish posts, half of which are devoted to Gypx, or something around there and it tends to be the longest of their posts. Scum can easily defend scum dont get me wrong, i suppose it's the ratio of defending gypx to the rest of their content
im not decided on Golden yet so i suppose this is a bit premature ror me to think about anyway.
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:13 pm
by Infinity 324
MT, quick gut take: how +town is the gypyx defense for TGP?
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:13 pm
by Morning Tweet
hahahah
ive seen it from both alignments. I dont think its telling, or at least the occurence itself isnt. Maybe in context or with regards to the player
am I reading it right that you interpret it as towny, jessie? Perhaps scum is too self conscious to do that or gives an excuse sooner
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:14 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
What if we are in the world with a scum flagbearer and that's what the delay in the pre-game was rather than just Hectic stalling because Death Curse hadn't finished yet?
What if the flagbearer was actually a lamp-bearer?
What if inside the lamp was a Genie who had magical powers such as the ability to nightkill?
What if Dunnstral is holding the lamp and TGP's silly charade is to keep his friend Dunnstral safe?
Tweetie do you see where I'm going with this? ~.~ ~.~
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:16 pm
by Morning Tweet
i liked it
I dont see what purpose there is for scum to use the majority of their time defending another player who is being suspected, when they themself are drawing suspicion
Actually, I guess thatd be an alright WIFOM play for partners, I suppose. and some people find it hard to scumread as scum. I'm not confident enough to defend Golden because if they flipped scum i wouldn't be terribly shocked, but i wouldn't be eith a town flip either
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:20 pm
by Morning Tweet
you think Golden is intentionally trying to die? Wait.
that sounded like something that could be true for a moment there, but im not sure how the defense of gypx or bussing Dunn fits in
am i understanding you right that you think golden is trying to die for the purpose of another player? hmmmm
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:21 pm
by Infinity 324
What motivated you to ISO/re-evaluate TGP?
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:23 pm
by Morning Tweet
didnt golden go for Taylor-Dunn first?
Infinity 324 wrote:What motivated you to ISO/re-evaluate TGP?
i feel guilty that i havent been reading a lot of the reasons for suspecting them and a lot of the longer posts recently. I am mainly going off my first impression of their gypx case and read on jessie
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:23 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you shouldnt take my wild ramblings seriously tweetie. but it would be cool if it turned out to be true :3
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:25 pm
by Infinity 324
VOTE: MT not really a fan of you dancing around this wagon.
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:26 pm
by Morning Tweet
i was just thinking that Golden accepted their death really quickly, but perhaps i missed a lot of the build-up
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:27 pm
by Morning Tweet
You think that im dancing around the wagon because..?
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:28 pm
by Morning Tweet
Like I am specifically waiting to have a read on Golden before i feel like i can justifiably vote or defend there. Dancing, maybe, but im not great with my feet
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:31 pm
by Infinity 324
Because you are? Your posts read like scum who previously had a townread on TGP and is trying to justify a vote there.
I feel like the hammer talk could’ve been a reason why TGP accepted their death so early. Why did you think that was scum-indicative?
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:36 pm
by Morning Tweet
i do not think TGP accepting their death is scum-indictative, i thought it was really fast. I only mentioned it because of Pookys theory.
I am sorry for being wishy washy around the read but i do not have a lot of confidence in it, not enough to defend them
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:42 pm
by Infinity 324
If you’re doubting yourself just because a bunch of people disagree with you, you don’t have to! It’s also ok to not have made up your mind on a top wagon given the amount of content TGP has. You don’t have to vote or defend them.
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:46 pm
by Morning Tweet
that is me summarized in a single post, Infinity. Well the first sentence anyway. A lot of my early townpings are reachy and can be hit or miss, which hurts my confidence quite a bit -- but I'm no good at scumreading, maybe im okay late, but early, it's very unusual for me to find something very suspicious
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:50 pm
by Morning Tweet
i feel like when ive rounded up a bunch of players in the PoE, i still can't justify voting them because i dont have a reason to -- they're just not in my town pool.
Golden I got some pings on, but not nearly as much as say, Gloria or jessie. And I can see why some of their actions are scummy, i just disagree with he conclusion. in this case, the gypx obsession in particular i dont think is strong evidence.