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[Aristeia]

and I don't think either Mewtaph or IV have said anything approaching "you can't suspect me because I can't handle it for mental health reasons."

[Dwlee99]

Please untilt

[T3]

and I don't think either Mewtaph or IV have said anything approaching "you can't suspect me because I can't handle it for mental health reasons."

yes

[Roden]

like honestly this game is not playable if every town player says "you can't suspect me because I can't handle being scumread for mental health reasons." and scum are what, not allowed to say that because they'll be ostracized and blacklisted?

that's not even a mafia game.

I don't disagree here, but I didn't take it to this point. I literally have no idea what I'm supposed to do here.

I don't think either of them have claimed being scum read is damaging to their mental health and the line of thought is dangerously close to making this game unplayable

and I don't think either Mewtaph or IV have said anything approaching "you can't suspect me because I can't handle it for mental health reasons."

...Except they did.

I feel like communicating with you further is anti-town. I don't care if you scumread me for it, communicating with you feels shit and I'd rather not do it.

You are part of that reason, by the way. Not the IC part.

And this is exactly why I didn't want to communicate with your slot by the way. But go on.

Mmm, you may have hit a nerve that isn't specific to you. I apologize if it comes off as aggressive, but yes. Can we leave this for now, please? If you push my slot I'm fine with it but I don't really feel like interacting with you is best for my general state right now.

It a sort of hitting-your-head-against-a-wall tone I feel like scum typically display when trying to sway an IC or pseudo-IC

tbh not trying to be mean but i find roden pretty annoying (just this game nothing personal) and i kind of vibed with Mew's sentiment myself so i don't see it as scummy. like i just don't really want to interact with him because he's just been dead set on voteparking me, claiming the only thing i do is AtE making it seem like im some super scum for that, taking potshots at me, calling me elim-bait etc. and ari just gets to sheep him because he's IC and i don't really feel like i can do anything about this situation. idk im in kind of a unique spot for him tho

do I have to use the word “mental state” explicitly in order to have an emotional reason to not want to interact with you? I don’t, I found your potshots at me annoying and I didn’t want to respond exactly because we have discussion like this that are not making the game fun anymore for either of us

you are the IC and you obviously seem really set on me as scum I’m not sure why you keep trying to suggest otherwise

and it’s something I’ve obviously been feeling this whole time since I didn’t interact with you why are you pushing the narrative that I did it after?

[Aristeia]

I mean I don't think either of those interactions is saying "I can't handle being scumread because mental health"

They don't want to interact with you and they laid out their emotions why.

[Aristeia]

its not like IV is going to come shade you like he did for the other people who voted him since you're an IC so the only way he handles your slot is saying you're annoying and he doesn't want to interact with you.

That's why IV is just super shady to me, he doesn't actually care if the people voting him have good reasons to vote him, it's just full press on AtE and throwing shade at anyone who dares to suspect him which is kind of ridiculous.

[Roden]

Is someone's emotional state not a part of their mental health?

[Aristeia]

faking an emotional response is a standard part of a social deduction game,

if you say that emotions can't be faked and you will never play with someone who is faking an emotional response then um that's not really playing mafia?

If anyone actually has mental health issues due to playing this game, I would assume they would just replace out in order to prioritize their actual well-being over a silly text based game.

[Roden]

faking an emotional response is a standard part of a social deduction game,

if you say that emotions can't be faked and you will never play with someone who is faking an emotional response then um that's not really playing mafia?

If anyone actually has mental health issues due to playing this game, I would assume they would just replace out in order to prioritize their actual well-being over a silly text based game.

Nothing you're saying here is wrong. That's not the issue.

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

[MargotRosa]

i notice now that margot didn't address the things i sent her way and is overall still being largely underwhelming so

VOTE: margot

preferred vote still t3 but i don't feel like i'm getting anything done vanity wagoning there

Is this what you're talking about?

This is especially given the fact that all of IV's reasons for voting back at me are bizarre when you actually stop and think about it for five seconds. Like, asking for a claim is scum indicative? Trying to vote out someone you think is scum is scum indicative? What isn't scum indicative in your book IV? Anyone voting for anyone is scum. Is the only Townie in this game N_M?

this feels a bit dishonest. like it feels like iv's reasons for scumreading her, but dumbed down and out of context to the point of being nonsensical.

i would also like for you to talk more about your iv scumread other than "yep, still scum". and why is iv/mew voting you scum!indicative for you? do you genuinely believe that two scum got so scared of you they're tying themselves together in order to push you?

ok i see there's also the "iv went after you and t3" which uh, hasn't iv been vocally defending t3 for like, a long time now?

bottom of page 35, need a break bc brain hurt, be back in a bit.

My reasoning is in 526, and was expanded upon in later posts. IV came into the game late, and made reads that were completely out of step with the rest of the game. It looked to me like Scum coming in late and making reads based on what they wanted from the game state rather than what was actually going on in the game. Everything that has happened since then has cemented that view in my mind.

Also, T3 is Town. Sorry.

[Roden]

And yes, I assume someone would just replace out as well. But I haven't mentioned that since I'm not sure if that's against the rules or not.

[MargotRosa]

Can we all give a decent vibe check on where Town's head is at? I don't think IV is happening. T3 is Town, and I'm not voting that slot. I am Town. Mew is still on my scumdar. I still don't like Datsi, but can respect that voting that slot will look like I'm just boomeranging their vote back at them.

In the words of the benevolent head overlord, show me what you got

[Aristeia]

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

I do not think either of them have claimed that they have been mentally harmed by your actions in this game.

I also don't think your actions would lead to mental harm of anyone, I don't think any of your actions have crossed that particular line.

Expressing suspicion of people is just how the game is played.

Claiming that someone's suspicion of you has caused you serious mental harm is not.

[Roden]

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

I do not think either of them have claimed that they have been mentally harmed by your actions in this game.

I also don't think your actions would lead to mental harm of anyone, I don't think any of your actions have crossed that particular line.

Expressing suspicion of people is just how the game is played.

Claiming that someone's suspicion of you has caused you serious mental harm is not.

I just find it hard to interpret what they've said any other way, and neither of them have done or said anything to course correct or explain what the core problem is. This is exactly why I said IV is being manipulative, but he keeps denying it, and Datisi saying he doesn't see it either means I'm either actually in the wrong or I'm being very heavily gaslit.

[Gypyx]

votecount 1.11

T3 (3) :

Dwlee99 ; Datisi ; Salsabil Faria

MargotRosa (3) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph ; Roden

Not_Mafia (2) :

Not_Mafia ; Datsi

Innocentvillager (2) :

MargotRosa ; Aristeia

Mewtaph (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Datsi (1) :

ChaosOmega

Not voting (1) :

T3

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-30 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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[Datisi]

y'all just *really* want to kill any desire i have to play this game, huh?

[Datisi]

My reasoning is in 526, and was expanded upon in later posts.

where. i looked through your iso, the only post could find that actually elaborated was the one i quoted previously and said i hated?

IV came into the game late, and made reads that were completely out of step with the rest of the game. It looked to me like Scum coming in late and making reads based on what they wanted from the game state rather than what was actually going on in the game. Everything that has happened since then has cemented that view in my mind.

why did his reads give you that impression when he did almost nothing to actually push them through? like, that was my original issue with him, nonsensical reads that had no backing whatsoever. how much thought did you put into this read? and how has the rest of the game ~cemented~ that for you?

Also, T3 is Town. Sorry.

why.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Datisi metaing MBOS is next on my list

on first glance it looks superficially similar but obviously i need to look into it more, if ur getting similar vibes maybe my tl on T3 weakens

Alright I think I missed where this was mentioned in the first place but everyone is talking about it now and I feel like I'm missing context by not knowing. What is "MBOS"? Anyone can answer

[Dwlee99]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87360

[ssbm_Kyouko]

faking an emotional response is a standard part of a social deduction game,

if you say that emotions can't be faked and you will never play with someone who is faking an emotional response then um that's not really playing mafia?

If anyone actually has mental health issues due to playing this game, I would assume they would just replace out in order to prioritize their actual well-being over a silly text based game.

Nothing you're saying here is wrong. That's not the issue.

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

You'll know when you've crossed a line, or are approaching that point. You aren't here as far as I can tell. If you do cross, you can apologize in an out-of-the-game sense and still scumread someone. People can be scum

and

experience mental/emotional health issues due to the game. Some people (myself included) will choose to play this game despite it being bad for mental/emotional health because they value the fun over their wellbeing.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87360

Thanks, probably will have to reread all the mbos references for context

[innocentvillager]

i don’t think anyone has crossed a line this game regardless of anyone’s alignment or that anything is necessarily anyone’s fault

Id like to just move on if possible

I’ll get to this tmr busy today

[ChaosOmega]

If no one's interested in datsi, I'll make my vote useful.

VOTE: innocentvillager

I can't get a good read on T3 or N_M this game (or ever, really), so I'm fine going there as well. Not really into the Margot wagon.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also not into the Margot wagon, would policy N_M, but not before taking a good look at T3 and his wagon. I feel like I'm decent at reading T3 when I put my mind to it. I feel a bit out of it after the V/LA but I recall not liking his early posting.

[Datisi]

so we're approaching 3 days left to deadline, and the wagons are completely scrambled. t3 and margot are still my preferred votes but i'm getting a sinking feeling they're town. iv doesn't feel like scum and n_m is a complete policy that i also think is town. fuck me

????? VOTE: dwlee ?????