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In post 1026, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Are you communicating with someone outside of this game and having them help you?

In post 933, Loftwing wrote:

In post 928, DkKoba wrote:When I actually null read a slot in a game I express that I dont think theres anything conclusive but let the wagon build on them and watch rather than shade people on the wagon

I have let the wagon build, and I saw that the wagon was trash. It's not "shading those on the wagon" it's pointing out that the wagon is trash and some main proponents on it are scummy.

It's not "shading people on the wagon", it's pointing out that the wagon is bad and those on it are bad. It's not shading if I

explicitly

say that you are scummy. That's pretty much the exact opposite of shading.

In post 943, Loftwing wrote:

In post 941, DkKoba wrote:Loftwing, why is the wagon bad?
What are the scummy things I'm doing that imply I have a scummy thought process?

I.e. I dont give a shit what actions you think are scummy because thats level 1 reading - Why are the actions linked to a scum agenda and improbable to be towny?

The Kyouko Wagon is bad because the two main proponents of it (You and NorwEE) are. in my eyes, very scummy and trying to strongarm the wagon into existence. I don't know whether or not you two are T/S or S/S, but I am very sure that at least one of you two are scum, and have either pocketed the other, or are working together to grab the game by the tail and drag it along to wherever you want it to go.

Take, for example, a very simple question recently asked by Nero Cain:

Nero Cain wrote:What's the case on SSBM besides posting elsewhere?

Neither you nor NorwEE have answered yet, despite it being a simple question to answer. Do you not have an answer, do you not want to answer, or did you just not see fit to answer it?

But that's something small and in the present. Maybe neither of you didn't want to answer right now because you were busy. Let's move on to another point.
I've already stated in the past that NorwEE shouldn't be listened to (and indirectly scumreading them) so I already had a scumread on them, but then you seem to just vibe with them, and are on the same wavelength. I don't know if this is because you're trying to pocket them, if they're pocketing you, or if you two are both scum. I don't know, but all I do know is that one of the two of you are defo scum. You two working together leaves a dry slate-on-the-tounge feel in my mouth.
Pocketing or vibing with eachother is a scummy thing to do, and would definitely be something that scum would want to do. After all, it's much better to drum up support for a bad wagon if players trust you.

Next is your defense of Dwlee. I don't know why you think Dwlee, or anyone else, voting a noposter is actually town behaviour. I don't care why you think that. All I know is that that is incorrect. It is not town behaviour, it is antitown behaviour.
Think of it like this: Say Dwlee's bandwagoning worked and we got Margot to E-2 before they even got on. How would you expect any player to react to being driven to E-2? I would expect poor performance of towniness from a noposter, because they have a wagon on them with the very real threat of axing. You're put under immense pressure and told that if you don't act pro-town we will kill you, which is hard to do when you're under the threat of axing.
Basically, I would expect Margot to act poorly and get axed, regardless of their alignment, and maybe even regardless of their role. If Margot was a power role, we might have accidentally axed a PR Day 1, because they looked scummy when put under immense pressure.
And what do you do? You defend Dwlee's actions. You say that this was actually a pro-town thing to do. That this was actually something you would expect town, not scum, to do. I'm not buying it. That is bullshit. That is indicative of you WKing Dwlee against me, which is something a scum player would do to gain followers, which again, makes your actions more popular, regardless of what they are.

My dinner is ready, so I'm going to go eat. But this is just one part of why I think the wagon is bad. It's messy and imprecise, but I think it gets my thoughts across.

In post 948, Loftwing wrote:lol caught scum.

In post 950, DkKoba wrote:Like you saying we are scummy for strongarming a wagon is literally a clown take. Like its so bad that no one here is going to even entertain it - so have fun with that.

Neither of us are scum. If anything I would be the one having Norwee pocketed because I have never been pocketed by Norwee but I have done the reverse - and I know I am town. So you're going to need to lock that shit into as you think I'm 100% scum.

I think you are trying to save Kyouko at all costs and I want competing wagons between you and Kyouko now. Let's see how much harder you try to push a 3rd, easier target.


Yes - townies can have illogical takes, but this is clearly not the case - but you are trying to pass off a scumread on us while insisting you nullread Kyouko - With me knowing Kyouko is firmly within her scumrange, this is most probable to be you trying to look good off the Kyouko flip and not a genuine take on the slot. A townie would actually more naturally confirm if they thought Norwee and/or I was scum, that Kyouko was spewed town.

Loftwing has shown no thought processes and his progression is jarring. he goes from 1 thought to the other when convenient.
All he is interested in is saving Kyouko but he tries to lie about it, which is indicative of a scum TMI on Kyouko's alignment as their partner.

Kyouko->Loftwing 2 easy scum.

In post 963, LicketyQuickety wrote:Loftwing isn't Scum and I'm baffled why people are pushing there.

In post 966, Loftwing wrote:I don't think

In post 970, LicketyQuickety wrote:Being wrong =/= Scum

In post 1028, Loftwing wrote:

Towntopia

Loftwing
Rannygazoo
LicketyQuickety
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Nero Cain
Wake88
Andresvmb
Almost50
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nulland. how fun.

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ssbm_Kyouko
GrandpaMo
Kop
MargotRosa
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you are now leaving nulland.

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Titus
Hakai
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Dwlee99
DkKoba
NorwegianBoyEE

No-Go Zo-Ne

In post 968, DkKoba wrote:I know they do - my point is its really stupid to say "oh this is scummy *because* of the strongarming"

In post 994, NorwegianboyEE wrote:To claim that because one of us doesn’t answer the same question repeatedly, that there is nothing there. Looks really bad on the person that makes the accusation because it’s an obvious lie that can be traced back on to them and shows them as an liar that cannot make any arguments in good faith without trying to lie about past events in order to gain future influence.

In post 1043, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think he ever made the claim that there's no case on SSBM. I asked b/c I was skimming and didn't really get it and all I got was "does anyone read?" If you want to make the argument that I shouldn't have asked that and just waited till I had a chance to go back and reread the koba/ssbm back and forth then fine but he's not incorrect when he says that my q wasn't answered.