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In post 1024, Nero Cain wrote:I've never changed my reasoning. I still think you are projecting scum but I ALSO think you are fence-sitting. It's not a change.

you did call him null in 787 but you are being nitpicky and saying null with a town lean which is kinda dumb.

what does "projecting scum" even mean?

It's literally stated in that same post what I lean on. and every other post I wrote about the matter. You started calling the fence-sitting mirroring my accusations against your slot back as your reasoning when your read on mine got questioned.

Of course, I never expect you to admit that your read on my slot was fake. You have no other way to back off from it now cause that would show how shallow it was in the first place and you've come too deep to just call it was a reaction test or stuff like that. Now you're like "yeah I had sus on the slot since before" "I scum read them cause their read on hockey was null" "I scum read them cause they pushed me when what I said is similar to what they said"

None are an actual reason. None are a progressed read. You're simply caught right now and don't see an exit. simple as that.

and like half of those reasons you made up are literally contradicted in the same posts you tried to question.

I explicitly expressed how I have a town lean on hockey in the same exact post you mentioned.

I explicitly explained like 100 times already when questioned what I meant when I analyzed the claim and how its not just simply saying nothing and distancing away from the whole back and forth about the claim

You're not even creative to make your own reasoning. simply sitting there trying to mirror all accusations I made against your slot to mine to create this loop between me and you to make my push against your slot look less credible. And I can see it and will never change my vote cause I literally never been more certain someone will flip red.

In post 1025, Frozen Angel wrote:what does "projecting scum" even mean?

projecting scum is when scum call you scum for things they are doing.

In post 1025, Frozen Angel wrote:You started calling the fence-sitting mirroring my accusations against your slot back as your reasoning when your read on mine got questioned.

I mean you admitted to fence-sitting on his claim. And having a "slight" null town read on the slot is also. I mean, it doesn't even make all that much sense. If you can't see him as scum for claiming backup (wich is what you said!) being so so so worried that he's "master class" scum thats fooling you (lol) I don't see why he's not in your upper echelons of town reads.

In post 1025, Frozen Angel wrote:None are a progressed read.

lets just argue that its not a progressed read. Why do I have to have one? I mean can't I just scum read scum thats pushing me for shit reasoning like I do it most games?

In post 1026, Frozen Angel wrote:literally contradicted

lol no

In post 1026, Frozen Angel wrote:I explicitly explained like 100 times already when questioned what I meant when I analyzed the claim and how its not just simply saying nothing and distancing away from the whole back and forth about the claim

the only real difference is that I was scum reading him before his claim. Saying that his claim is consistent with a goofy playstyle isn't analysis. It's nonsense. If he's town he claimed backup b/c is is a backup (barring a gambit) and if he's scum he's just claiming a fairly safe role.

now correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't you argue that town Nero would have pushed through a PR claim that I was scum reading? Assuming that's not a false memory its just feels like you are randomly saying things to attempt to make me look bad and I don't think that ever comes from a town alignment. If you did make that argument do you have any evidence?

I mean I do feel like you know that he's town but aren't committing to a hard town read there.

Nero & FA

Y'all have played a lot right? Together? Do not get that impression from reading these.

At any rate, it's going to take a guilty to vote out scum FA so let's stop being shit with our vote.


VOTE: eyes

In post 1028, Dwlee99 wrote:Nero & FA

Y'all have played a lot right? Together? Do not get that impression from reading these.

3 games is what she remembers. I figure we have but I can't deff remember in what games we've played. I know I was in a game she modded though but she's been offsite for a while so these games were like years ago.

In post 1027, Nero Cain wrote:projecting scum is when scum call you scum for things they are doing.

so it's a term used for how you're mirroring the accusations against your slot toward me to justify your read on me? good to know

literally never heard that in like all games I played and played a lot.

In post 1027, Nero Cain wrote:I mean you admitted to fence-sitting on his claim. And having a "slight" null town read on the slot is also. I mean, it doesn't even make all that much sense. If you can't see him as scum for claiming backup (wich is what you said!) being so so so worried that he's "master class" scum thats fooling you (lol) I don't see why he's not in your upper echelons of town reads.

Where did I say I find him scum for claiming back up?

and this literally makes 0 sense. It's literally not at all anything I said.

I said I find his way of engagement consistent is what I said and I find the claim alongside that so it gives me a town read but that doesn't make me not worry about his slot as there were several alarming things about him especially about his reads without out much of a groundwork

His attitude being consistent in dropping those reads once in a while which make no theoretical sense is pretty much not fake is my conclusion unless he is really dropping a master class show in here acting in-experienced consistently.

How is that read an upper town read for me? how is that a scum read?

How is that even unclear that you confused it on purpose for like 10th time during your push on my slot to claim I even admitted fance sitting?

In post 1027, Nero Cain wrote:lets just argue that its not a progressed read. Why do I have to have one? I mean can't I just scum read scum thats pushing me for shit reasoning like I do it most games?

If you were saying you scum read me cause I scum read you since page 1 of this argument, I would feel a lot different right now cause its in-town nature to feel defensive and guard back at unknowns pushing them.

But that's not the case. You were building up to drop that vote by going back and mis representing my argument with eye and then you just went ahead and dropped the vote later after I called you out on it. This just proves you just had no progressed mindset to have that read on my slot. it pretty much only makes sense from a mafia!nero mindset who saw he is being repeatedly called out by a player who was alone in her mind set so you though by being aggressive in return you could gain credit, even set me up in return as you really really really were not scum reading me in any context back then.

then you saw no choice but to double down on it when you got called out on it. You simply have 0 reasons to scum read my slot so you generated literally crap and branched through them in addition to mirror my accusations against you to justify it however you could

that's literally the only way I can see it and I know its true.

In post 1027, Nero Cain wrote:the only real difference is that I was scum reading him before his claim. Saying that his claim is consistent with a goofy playstyle isn't analysis. It's nonsense. If he's town he claimed backup b/c is is a backup (barring a gambit) and if he's scum he's just claiming a fairly safe role.

now correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't you argue that town Nero would have pushed through a PR claim that I was scum reading? Assuming that's not a false memory its just feels like you are randomly saying things to attempt to make me look bad and I don't think that ever comes from a town alignment. If you did make that argument do you have any evidence?

no it's not nonsense. what you said is nonsense

Its actually worse than nonsense

You literally said nothing and acted as you're saying something

Thats what scum do when they see the major wagon of the day might get offloaded to distant

It's scummy and I caught you for saying it.

I literally explained what I meant from calling it goofy with literal examples of his play in this same game and showed how consistent it was and what I meant from it. I gave a full analysis on what I meant about his claim and I literally argued with you for like half my ISO for how you were misrepresenting my hockey read and literally doing 180 switch to misrepresent it from the other side to continue your push when first stance of yours didn't work.

In post 1028, Dwlee99 wrote:Nero & FA

Y'all have played a lot right? Together? Do not get that impression from reading these.

I remember like 3 -4 games yeah and literally 2 games that I modded and he played. I never called him scum for meta in no context.
He is scum for being consistent with what I call a mafia mindset, and with what literally can't be explained otherwise.

His try to say we don't know each other play style to attack the semantics of the point I was trying to make about him makes him even look worse.

In post 533, Nero Cain wrote:it might be b/c I've already seen Eyes response to the pressure on him but I feel like FA's claim that Eye's reads are fabricated is pure nonsense. He's either scum that's doublind down or that that actually believes in that theory.

In post 520, HockeyFan wrote:@Dwlee, in 505, u said eyes+FA could be partnered(presumably cuz of 503?), but why are u big on that being a partnery psot, when the same logic can be applied to u. Eyes TR'D you even after u being a replacement

oof

In post 523, Andante wrote:who are we limming? or like top 2-3 names?

hockey? greeting? frozen angel? eyes?

In post 1029, Nero Cain wrote:At any rate, it's going to take a guilty to vote out scum FA so let's stop being shit with our vote.


VOTE: eyes

His last read about eyes "He is either scum that doubled down, or a town who believes on his theory"

reminds you of anything else said by nero?

Oh maybe

In post 694, Nero Cain wrote:scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

And where he goes with his vote when he sees he is losing the argument with me?

To eye. a slot he literally gave no actual read about so far in this game. A slot who has tension from others and who actually was making content, and gave actual reads for that theory thing. he doesn't care about eye read on dwlee or even himself or me - based on his theory's reaction test or how he followed up on it. He doesn't care about eye posts about scorpious. He just cares about having another wagon to keep the day momentum elsewhere. and he chooses the only other slot I actually had in my suspicious list with momentum that he previously acted so so on as well, so in his mind I can't call him out on it.

In post 892, wavemode wrote:

In post 883, Greeting wrote:Go ahead! I'll read them.

I regularly see scum try to act like they don't care if people vote them. it's such a common tactic it really just doesn't phase me anymore


in a mini normal I played a while back, here's flavor leaf (boonskies) self-voting as scum: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p9543318

a decent last-ditch effort, all things considered. he knew he was probably going down anyway (kind of like eyes knows he is now). though, it worked. GR was eliminated instead (though GR was also scum lol)


and here's eyes without nostrils himself! playing scum and very overdramatically threatening to self vote, "to help you all see the light": https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10911685

it did not work though, he was still eliminated day 1 that game

Oh, I've self-voted as town before several times when I wanted town to take my claims more seriously. So I would be cautious about calling that scum play.

The second game you've linked, however, does really give me a feeling similar to this game. Sigh.

In post 898, Eyes without a face wrote:Updated read list:

Eyes without a face
HockeyFan
the worst 0verki11
Andante
Greeting
fireisredsir
Stephen A Smith arcadia
Frozen Angel T3
Umlaut Surye
Nero Cain UglyDuck
wavemode
Scorpious
Dwlee99 LicketyQuickety


Nero was 2nd bottom then Scorpious managed to outdo him, and then wave appeared frustrated about the way I'm driving things while Nero himself was ignoring me. Again, in my experience Nero is confrontational as both alignments, but he plays nice when not provoked as scum while he himself provokes others when he's town. As scum though when FoS'd he's outraged and would throw everything back at the aggressor while ignoring or ridiculing the read are the more common options for his town play

What's so towny that did to deserve such a top spot in your readslist?

lol i'm not losing any argument. I'm progressing the game and voting a potential scum slot.

Is eyes a t3 alt? b/c t3 has argued that I'm not being aggressive or some shit for the past 2 games. I was town in both of them so he'll be 0-3.

Eyes was scummy for coming in and ignoring most of the game and talk about some very not accurate theory. It was dumb and I called him on it.

I mean, I do agree with you that it was pretty awful that he started pushing me as soon as you started pushing me.

Eyes is not t3. T3 is taking a 6 month break and also repped out

Saw Scorpious getting on my case for being inactive yesterday. If only I had said in advance that I would be busy that day with RL things.

In post 788, Umlaut wrote:Haven't done more catchup and probably won't have time to do more today since I'm at work (and then doing Valentine's Day stuff)

Oh yeah, I did. Fuck off.

I am still busy but will try and make more time for this game today, at least this evening (CST). Doesn't look like Andante ever answered my question about why Nero is town.

In post 942, Scorpious wrote:Now really gotta go before I end up single..

In post 1041, Umlaut wrote:Saw Scorpious getting on my case for being inactive yesterday. If only I had said in advance that I would be busy that day with RL things.

I just thought these 2 posts together were funny. that is all. XD

In post 1040, Dwlee99 wrote:Eyes is not t3. T3 is taking a 6 month break and also repped out

just saw the same shitty argument and wondered

In post 1041, Umlaut wrote:Doesn't look like Andante ever answered my question about why Nero is town.

Not gonna lie, probably didn't see it, and if this is in regards to the list I posted early, 6/9 is not calling someone town lol

idk what my read on Nero is right now actually, I'll read him later probably. I told yall. plan for D1: coast by, let whoever who has strong thoughts lead. and I follow. 1000 posts of wallposts is not the most fun to read through

In post 933, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 857, Scorpious wrote:I’d like more from umlaut. We have zero on that slot. A catch up to 15 the a benign question. When do we consider limming that slot?

In post 885, Scorpious wrote:regardless, when do we consider limming that slot? as of now i feel we lose nothing except a place for scum to hide,and who knows,maybe we get lucky.

In post 902, Scorpious wrote:VOTE: umlaut

This slot is useless right now. Will gladly remove vote if content is produced. Just a smart play to get rid of this slot.

how else should we interpret this other than you want to lim them for the hell of it?

is this post real? you quoted three reason why its not for the hell of it.

In post 947, Eyes without a face wrote:

In post 941, Andante wrote:

In post 926, Eyes without a face wrote:And if Scorpious flips red wave is cleared in my PoV. Just a heads up (also a reminder of how I work)

Why are you saying someone is clear before a flip? What makes you super confident that wave is lock town before scorp is even flipped? Like, what if scorp doesnt flip red, than what happens to that read?

Please click for a proper answer

This is the most exquisite way to avoid answering a question that I have ever seen.

Angel, the correct town play in a game with a set # of tprs is to let them solve themselves. The 2 minis below us were 4/6 and 3/7 if you think its bad that I had second thoughts about power eliminating a claimed pr then you can fuck right off b/c you don't know how to play but then again I don't think you are town this game.

lol yall are just funny tbh, like, these massive 1v1 cases... what is that actually doing to find maf? like if you think about it, if you spend all your effort tunneling someone, you'll get locked into "They must be scum!!" and like, you'll refuse to TR them.. so then you spend page after page making wallposts on why that person is maf, so then you have town like me. Who look at the thread, and go "ok nah.. not jumping into that" so then town like me just kinda ignore the thread, get super behind, and at the end of deadline, we'll just end up random voting... like, all these 1v1s are just so weird to me, like, why so many!!! why not just work together on reads? like if I bus my partner for you to tr me.. maf gone. easy!!! not 1000 posts of "meta this, meta says you maf!" nonsense