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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:41 am
by Wallflower
Tracer I think this play from Norwe makes your suggested Norwe-scum/Tracer-town world a lot less likely
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:43 am
by Wallflower
Ircher! Toogeloo! Unite!
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:57 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1000, Tracer Bullet wrote:SS is very allergic to hammering town when he is mafia. He overvalues being townread against intermediate objectives like "killing people"
This is a terrible way to phrase it, but it is true. I would never have hammered either wagon as town. As scum I would know that, and I would assume some other people in the game would also know that, so I would only hammer if I were okay with instantly going down the next day. Which might be the case depending on my partner, but it probably wouldn't.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:59 am
by Wallflower
for what it's worth, you could vote for Tracer right now without it being the hammer. Don't miss out on this fantastic opportunity!
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:00 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1004, Tracer Bullet wrote:it is illogical to be afraid of me if I am widely scumread by townies and the conftown directing the game into a dichotomy because my viable angles of play are extremely limited.
I mean the same would hold of Toog. Between the two of you I'd say you're more likely to be able to turn things around.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:03 am
by Something_Smart
No because it's possible for scum-WF to not notice the scum PT was still open
It's probably +town though
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:05 am
by Something_Smart
I guess it does require scum to have an encryptor for it not to be a dumbtell, but if the masons have one I would be surprised if scum don't also have one.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:05 am
by Tracer Bullet
lol norwee readflipping on me as soon as I express paranoia of him
epic
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:06 am
by Tracer Bullet
I'm fine with dying today as long as you all yeet Norwee tomm
Not sure about partner between RCE and SS
Leaning towards SS but
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:07 am
by Tracer Bullet
In post 1024, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Like this just some opportunist shit here, i'm going out of my way to see good intentions from you, and you twisting my words in an very evil way that is making me PUKE.
this is fake.
there's no oppurtunism in my readflip on norwee.
I don't have much chance of pushing him out today.
my offer is for ME to die first to show everyone I am town and him to follow me tomm.
It is by definition not oppurtunism. - oppurtunism would be defined by other people considering a nor-scum world - which nobody is.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:08 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1025, Wallflower wrote:Tracer I think this play from Norwe makes your suggested Norwe-scum/Tracer-town world a lot less likely
Interesting take. Why's that?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:08 am
by Tracer Bullet
it actually makes absolutely 0 sense for Scum!Me to want to yeet Town!norwee who has been hard defending me for 2 days now
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:09 am
by Something_Smart
But don't you see? He literally PUKED. How could that be fake?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:09 am
by Tracer Bullet
In post 1025, Wallflower wrote:Tracer I think this play from Norwe makes your suggested Norwe-scum/Tracer-town world a lot less likely
actually the opposite.
if Nor-Town was actually townreading me he would know that this line of paranoia makes me more likely to be town.
Instead he sees me jumping out of his pocket and he's trying to kill me to shut me up asap
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:10 am
by Tracer Bullet
Scum!him would puke too if he had an easy win and choked
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:10 am
by Something_Smart
If Pooky is scum here I'll be impressed. Not that that would be the first time that happens, but he doesn't really seem to be playing with a long-term plan which is a hallmark of his scum game.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:11 am
by Tracer Bullet
it actually makes absolutely 0 sense for Scum!Me to want to yeet Town!norwee who has been hard defending me for 2 days now
if I am scum and I have pocketed norwee!town so hard he is defending me two days in a row, why would I suddenly readflip on him? It makes very little sense for my survival.
He should know this.
ESPECIALLY when my readflip is conditioned on me getting myself yeeted today FIRST and asking town to deadsheep my hero solve - it doesn't make much sense to do this if I'm not flipping town today
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:12 am
by Tracer Bullet
In post 1040, Something_Smart wrote:If Pooky is scum here I'll be impressed. Not that that would be the first time that happens, but he doesn't really seem to be playing with a long-term plan which is a hallmark of his scum game.
I do not play with long term plan as scum I prioritize intermediate goals. Long term plans rarely ever work out and you can't predict game states in advance due to replacements, attrition, and memory.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:14 am
by Tracer Bullet
like this is such a shit take.
I am offering to FLIP MY OWN ROLE FIRST
and asking town to deadsheep me AFTER I AM DEAD
and this dude is saying he doesnt believe I'm paranoid like rofl what
I WILL DIE BEFORE YOU IN MY PLAN
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:14 am
by Something_Smart
Well ok. This is day 2 of a micro so "long term" isn't that long term. But, what I said still holds if you replace it with "intermediate term".
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:15 am
by Tracer Bullet
its hard to pick between RCE and SS.
Might actually be closer than I thought.
RCE needs to come in here and town it up
I am very convinced of Nor-scum because his vote on me makes absolutely no sense as a response.
Still happy to self-hammer if we are done discussing today.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:19 am
by Something_Smart
You thought it would just be obviously me as the partner?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:19 am
by Tracer Bullet
I just want to reiterate yet again how much this is complete horseshit.
"Oppurtunism implies that THERE IS AN OPPURTUNITY TO BEGIN WITH"
I do not know of a single player in this game who is willing to vote for NorweBoy.
So this accusation that scum!me is paranoia readflipping on Norwee for OPPURTUNISM.
Is complete and utter horseshit because what oppurtunism!?!?! who is even thinking Norwee is scum OTHER than me?
Like I'm literally the only person even considering the possibility of norwee being scum lol. This is literally the worst place in the world for scum!me to be pushing.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:20 am
by Something_Smart
I'll be the first to admit that a Norwee/RCE team doesn't make much sense given their dual votepark on Ircher on D1.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:21 am
by Tracer Bullet
it would be funny if it was you who couldn't lay down the hammer yet again.
I'm not like 100% satsified with that solution.
I always have trouble reading you because you're so restrained as either alignment.