Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:38 am
vote count 1.11
with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:38 am
if it's vibe-based that's understandableIn post 1023, MathBlade wrote:I can’t think of a specific game you just seem quieter as scum.In post 1021, Gamma Emerald wrote:what is your meta basis for this? I'm not always active as scum but I'd say in the early game I can be pretty active as scumIn post 770, MathBlade wrote:Gamma Emerald << Town I think? More active than most scum games
but by raw postcount I can be just as active if not more as scum D1.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:40 am
forgot the other part of thisIn post 1024, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think you both raise valid pointsIn post 773, Aristeia wrote:convince one person your mech interpretation is right and my mech interpretation is wrong and I will continue this conversation with you. Otherwise I am just going to assume you are wrong and wasting my time.
your argument makes sense because Bee in the last run I was in had top pick as scum and we voted her out D5 (I think) because she hadn't been killed yet despite her ascetic cop claim
I think mathblade's question of whether this would extend to any other early picks does make sense, just as a general question. Why does ONLY the top picker get expect to get killed?
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:41 am
yeah I don't think I like that post by imploIn post 775, MathBlade wrote:Don’t get me wrong, Implosion gives me scum pingsIn post 729, implosion wrote:Absolutely.In post 727, Aristeia wrote:I think picking ascetic cop is much stronger than picking a jailkeeper/roleblocker type role because ascetic cop can't be blocked in the first place and by picking it you are essentially permanently blocking the cop.
Mafia players don't always play optimally.
Again, this isn't reallyimportant, I'm just annoyed that we're basically Contractually Obligated to let Enchant not-play-the-game for 2-3 days.
But you’ve already been told off by me and implosion
So *shrug*
Who do you scumread besides HEM?
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:48 am
Ari makes a lot of assumptions like high number picks defacto=likely town. These kind of takes are bad because scum can abuse that like Ausuka pointed out in that previous incarnation of this game.In post 1019, MathBlade wrote:https://blogs.stjude.org/progress/hypot ... iable.html
Here’s another explanation.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:51 am
Gamma’s actually correct that activity is nai for him, it’s the quality and nuance of his reads that matter.In post 1023, MathBlade wrote:I can’t think of a specific game you just seem quieter as scum.In post 1021, Gamma Emerald wrote:what is your meta basis for this? I'm not always active as scum but I'd say in the early game I can be pretty active as scumIn post 770, MathBlade wrote:Gamma Emerald << Town I think? More active than most scum games
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:58 am
okay yeah I see what Ari is sayingIn post 783, MathBlade wrote:I am arguing with you for wifom reasons (assuming Enchant is town)In post 776, Aristeia wrote:what are you even arguing with me for
do you want to kill enchant today?
1) If you’re right and scum agrees and Enchant is the town cop bad for us
2) If you’re right and scum agrees and Enchant is not the town cop and scum shoot there good for us
3) If I am right and scum agrees and Enchant is the town cop hood for us as we get a check
4) If I am right and scum agrees and Enchant is not the cop then we buy time for him to do what he does
Funneling the scum kill to Enchant when he could be a top tier PR is bad
If Enchant is scum this is all fundamentally a waste of time
So for the sake of town you’re wrong
Ari isn't actually funneling scum anywhere, at least from her pov
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:10 pm
Activity really isn’t much of a tell either way for Enchant, weirdness otoh is, which is what he was in that game he linked. This is also an entirely different setup, so unless Implosion can find more than one gzme to base that read on, I don’t put much stock in it.In post 1028, Gamma Emerald wrote:yeah I don't think I like that post by imploIn post 775, MathBlade wrote:Don’t get me wrong, Implosion gives me scum pingsIn post 729, implosion wrote:Absolutely.In post 727, Aristeia wrote:I think picking ascetic cop is much stronger than picking a jailkeeper/roleblocker type role because ascetic cop can't be blocked in the first place and by picking it you are essentially permanently blocking the cop.
Mafia players don't always play optimally.
Again, this isn't reallyimportant, I'm just annoyed that we're basically Contractually Obligated to let Enchant not-play-the-game for 2-3 days.
But you’ve already been told off by me and implosion
So *shrug*
Who do you scumread besides HEM?
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:28 pm
I think if Enchant is scum, it will be caught out in massclaim unless scum hit VTs.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:29 pm
That being said HEM Implosion Enchant might be a thing.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:51 pm
Dwlee wagon all aboard?
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:01 pm
This is your train station attendant. Seats on the Dwlee99 wagon is closed due to a malfunction. There is a discount for getting on HEM.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:37 pm
In post 946, Titus wrote:Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.
In post 984, Titus wrote:They could, but it's unlikely given they'd sabotage themselves to be near the bottomIn post 982, Harley Quinn wrote:The number theory Titus has is meaningless because hypothetically scum could pick the same number to look unaligned, especially a single digit number. Not saying either are scum especially based on this but her theory is not good.
Currently catching up and I'm hoping Titus at some point actually cases me instead of just vaguely shading me while off wagon.In post 983, Titus wrote:I already said this somewhere. No repeats and Roden is scummy.In post 980, Harley Quinn wrote:Dwlee or Titus?In post 978, MathBlade wrote:Last time they were scum they ignored my questionsIn post 975, Harley Quinn wrote:Why are they scum?In post 971, MathBlade wrote:I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee
Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.
And Dwlee is pretty quiet
This time they are
Pattern emerges
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:45 pm
That has to be BS because you only think I'm scum rn because of things that aren't there rather than things that are. So you can't be that confident of anythingIn post 1004, MathBlade wrote:I really feel Dwlee is scum.
Titus hasn’t given a reason other than “matching” and “trying”
I don’t see that here from them.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:00 pm
Not 100% sure why I listed you tbh. Ausuka who's actually in that spot is also if not widely townread at least not particularly suspicious right now so shrug.In post 998, Gamma Emerald wrote:I believe I'm 5th in the draft, and I'm pretty sure about that
I'd still be annoyed but probably not as annoyed and I wouldn't be calling it scummy.In post 1015, Gamma Emerald wrote:If someone else was playing like Enchant has this game with top pick, would you have the same attitude towards them?
Ah, the classical implosion double bus in a game brimming with PRs. classic. definitely something that i'd do in any setup at all, especially this one.In post 1034, Titus wrote:That being said HEM Implosion Enchant might be a thing.
[read: sarcasm]
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:02 pm
you realize Ari is just saying this for the future right? Not suggesting any action now?In post 791, MathBlade wrote:I am saying in the case you’re scum Enchant is town then it’s spam to avoid reads as you’ve made up your mind you’re shooting there.In post 786, Aristeia wrote:you think scum me is trying to get my scum team to shoot enchant!town cop bytalking about it in the threadand therefore I'm bad?
like what even is your reasoning here?
In the case you’re scum and Enchant is scum you’re setting up a gambit.
In the case you’re town and Enchant is scum then you accomplish nothing with this mechanics shenanigans as Enchant doesn’t have a single vote on them
In the case you’re town and Enchant is town then this is just begging scum to shoot Enchant
Nothing good comes from this
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:03 pm
Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.
The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.
The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:04 pm
the thing is low presence is pretty regular PR play I would thinkIn post 1039, implosion wrote:I'd still be annoyed but probably not as annoyed and I wouldn't be calling it scummy.In post 1015, Gamma Emerald wrote:If someone else was playing like Enchant has this game with top pick, would you have the same attitude towards them?
so Enchant doing it shouldn't be such a red flag
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:06 pm
I thought that was S_SIn post 806, implosion wrote:i am like, the consummate terrible-at-deciding-things and bad-at-getting-lasting-scumreads player.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:11 pm
this has me on yellow alertIn post 828, MathBlade wrote:Nope. Almost every game I am in if not every you’ve been right on me.In post 827, Aristeia wrote:you've never seen me have wrong reads as town?In post 825, MathBlade wrote:And Ari isn’t that bad as town. You’re just not
You’ve been annoyed by me sure, but you’ve always properly read me as town annoying.
I immensely dislike this sort of BoP read, and feel like it comes from scum more often than town
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:12 pm
bruhIn post 835, MathBlade wrote:Math is just a language.In post 832, Ausuka wrote:Thanks! It's a maths exam, seems like it would be your forte, unfortunately it's not mineIn post 820, MathBlade wrote:Good luck on the exam!In post 815, Ausuka wrote:Hi I just wanted to say that the reason I have been inactive since math replaced in is because he replaced in at 1am??? What do you want from me
Also I'm reluctant to talk too much about PRs but I will say I agree with implosion on pretty much everything and also the best way to do mechanics in this setup is to look at what players actually did in previous runs instead of trying to like theoretically predict it imo
I am also thinking town HEM currently, I remember really liking STD's posting, Roden feels bleh to me but it's awkward to push both Roden and Dwlee at the same time because they're probably not scum together
I am confused by people doing associative VCA in the middle of d1 (Titus and mathblade iirc) I assume this is a playstyle thing from how no one else commented on it though, so
Will have more to say later after my exam
Moon logic worlds
Std/Ausuaka/Ari
Std/Enchant/Ari
Day play worlds
Asuaka/Enchant/Bellaphant
Asuaka/Ari/Bellaphant
Some mix thereof broad spec
Yes Asuaka you have a scum ping because you’re nice because people aren’t usually nice
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:13 pm
ehhh idk about this hem metaIn post 838, MathBlade wrote:Cool.In post 834, Aristeia wrote:I feel stronger about HEM flipping scum and if HEM flips town your scum equity goes down by a lot so it makes literally no sense for me to try to flip you today.
I’d be very very surprised if HEM flips wolf here
Dude is extremely good at destroying his wagons
Eerily good.
Like Ireallydoubt he’s scum.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:14 pm
In post 1044, Gamma Emerald wrote:this has me on yellow alertIn post 828, MathBlade wrote:Nope. Almost every game I am in if not every you’ve been right on me.In post 827, Aristeia wrote:you've never seen me have wrong reads as town?In post 825, MathBlade wrote:And Ari isn’t that bad as town. You’re just not
You’ve been annoyed by me sure, but you’ve always properly read me as town annoying.
I immensely dislike this sort of BoP read, and feel like it comes from scum more often than town
he's never actually used this as scum vs me, he usually just rolls over and dies and starts anti-spewing.
it feels kind of real to me because I think he's aware that he is very unlikely to flip me first so it's like he wants to use his own flip to maybe leverage me flipping later.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:14 pm
Well, the reason for doing that is to dodge a nightkill by making other targets look more attractive, in principle. While that does apply here in some way, the fact that it's public knowledge that pick #1 is a PR changes that calculus for scum a lot.In post 1042, Gamma Emerald wrote:the thing is low presence is pretty regular PR play I would thinkIn post 1039, implosion wrote:I'd still be annoyed but probably not as annoyed and I wouldn't be calling it scummy.In post 1015, Gamma Emerald wrote:If someone else was playing like Enchant has this game with top pick, would you have the same attitude towards them?
so Enchant doing it shouldn't be such a red flag
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:15 pm
huh?In post 845, Ausuka wrote:Damn that's the first time I've ever been scumread for being bad at maths