Zom Com Mafia - Mini 1225 (Abandoned)

[Seraphim]

SK,
All of my scumreads are dead. I have to evaluate which of my town reads are correct and which aren't.

MoI's play doesn't click as scum play for me even if it seems like his role might damn him.

I think I have a plan though that should please everyone.

[Seraphim]

Alright, I talked to the mod, tonight I will switch myself up with Jak or Peregrine to bring them back, so I will die and they will live, acting as pretty much a self-vig.

If this doesn't happen, you can lynch me tomorrow.

This will open the day up to lynch other people.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I can only speak for myself but you have to make a more convincing arguement than this.

Didn't you say the switch didn't work on anyone who hadn't been resurrected? If that's the case how are you affecting yourself?

My vote stays for the moment.

[Seraphim]

I misunderstood the role. It says "undead". I took this to be anyone who was NOT DEAD at first, then Nik clarified that it only worked on resurrected players. However, rereading the role and talking with Nik, I can kill any "undead" player which is to say any NON HUMAN PLAYER IN THE GAME.

Which, given the vampires, is quite a lot of folks.

[Sotty7]

I really want to see what Sleepy's reading brings up before I put a foot down on either side of this debate right now. Just a note to say I'm here and reading.

Mod: Can we get another prod or replacement on Twisted? Thanks.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Alright, I talked to the mod, tonight I will switch myself up with Jak or Peregrine to bring them back, so I will die and they will live, acting as pretty much a self-vig.

If this doesn't happen, you can lynch me tomorrow.

Why should we trust you to self-vig again? As long as you have viable scum suspects it is in your best interest to kill them.

I note that you voted for Captain Corporal because ‘you didn’t have a better idea’, more or less. Why wasn’t that a vote for Sleepy in the first place?

I’d like an official run-down from you – players you think are Confirmed Town, likely Town and scum.

The bolded is one of my oldest personal scum-tells … appealing for one more day when promising ‘results’ in the coming night.

I misunderstood the role. It says "undead". I took this to be anyone who was NOT DEAD at first, then Nik clarified that it only worked on resurrected players. However, rereading the role and talking with Nik, I can kill any "undead" player which is to say any NON HUMAN PLAYER IN THE GAME.

Let me get this straight …

1. You were in a game called Zom-Com, based on zombies, and your first impression on seeing the word Undead in your role PM was to think of Non-dead (aka alive), not Walking Corpses?
2. You are directly saying that Nik first incorrectly clarified your question (saying it only worked on resurrected players) but then clarified that it worked on all Undead, resurrected or not?

[Seraphim]

1. You were in a game called Zom-Com, based on zombies, and your first impression on seeing the word Undead in your role PM was to think of Non-dead (aka alive), not Walking Corpses?
2. You are directly saying that Nik first incorrectly clarified your question (saying it only worked on resurrected players) but then clarified that it worked on all Undead, resurrected or not?

1. Yes
2. Yes

If I'm scum, what do I have to gain by stalling? We're in a 7-1 situation here where scum have some sort of daykill, maybe, possibly, that they've used on the same player twice. The last scum is as good as screwed and if we just take this logically, we can easily win.

[Seraphim]

MagnaofIllusion(Conflicted) - MoI's role is the only thing that really damns his as scum. Two two neighborizors, especially ones as powerful or at least inclusive as these seem to be(an undead QT AND a vampire QT?) seem a little hard to swallow. However, MoI's play has been incredibly town, especially his huge push on ace-scum on Day 2. I'm really conflicted on this one. Though, the lack of kill and his auto-life protection by Sotty is also pretty convincing...

Bah, I'll buy MoI town.

Twistedspoon(Prob town) - TS's play has been fairly transparent, if not the greatest. His claiming of miller among other things does seem to point to him as town.
wait. Hold on a second. Guys.
Hey, MoI, why exactly is TS confirmed town?

Chronopie(Probtown) - I find it difficult to swallow that a scum would just keep flipping his buddies like this rather than trying to revive them. He could at least claim to be roleblocked or something to gum up scumhunting. Nope, just like clockwork. Also, he was the ace counterwagon.
Ethos(Probtown) - His interactions on the entire miller thing seem to be pointing to town.
SleepyKrew(Conflicted) - His play seems to point to town, similar to MoI but his role isn't that confirmable and doesn't really exclude him from being scum
Sotty7(Confirmed Town) - Confirmed role actions, and also if MoI is town, we pretty much need to assume that Sotty is town as well. They have to be scum together which is impossible.
Captain Corporal(Confirmed Town) - Pretty much the same deal as Sotty.

I don't like a MoI wagon and would prefer a wagon on either TS(who I can't say is 100% confirmed with any sort of confidence) or SleepyKrew. They are, so far, the only two players I don't have confidence in being town ATM.

[Chronopie]

I may need to invoke Rule 12 of the internet. At least for a while longer. And rules 8, 25 and 26

[MagnaofIllusion]

If I'm scum, what do I have to gain by stalling?

Um, is this some sort of trick question? Stalling your own lynch today as scum means you live to fight another Day. That’s called playing to your wincon and it applies regardless of your alignment.

wait. Hold on a second. Guys.
Hey, MoI, why exactly is TS confirmed town?

I love the “Wait … hold up guys” touch here.

Did you not read my rundown post?

1. Twisted claimed Miller early Day 1.
2. Ethos confirms he was on the list of “Non-Humans” Day 1.
3. They can’t be both lying – only 1 scum remains.
4. My Vamping of him Night 1 was successful. His recruiting of you yourself confirms this to you as we can’t both be lying about the chain of events – only one scum remains.
5. Per your own modified role-PM you should know that ability ONLY works on Vampires and Humans.
6. Unless Twisted started as a Vampire without ‘Deceptive Appearances’ there is no way he can could start as anything other than Human given my successful ability. The only part of this chain that isn’t confirmed via multiple sources.

There is nothing hidden is this train of thought. You can also make the argument that there is no way Ethos’s slot was handed the names of multiple Mafia Day 1 if you’d like.

Do you disagree with my assessment?

Captain Corporal(Confirmed Town) - Pretty much the same deal as Sotty.

And yet your first vote today (which was hardly rushed, I might add) was to drop a vote on someone you are now calling Confirmed Town.

Had you really wanted to take things logically today before the pressure began I would have expected an analysis similar to this. Yet you didn’t until pressured.

I like my vote very much right now.

but his role isn't that confirmable and doesn't really exclude him from being scum

Are you sure you weren’t writing this about yourself?

You’ve claimed two night actions that mysteriously failed (N1 / N2) and that you ‘didn’t get a chance’ to action N3. Nothing confirmed about your claim in the slightest.

Meanwhile Sleepy has indicated that he’s sent in a Twilight resurrect on Peregrine.

Shouldn’t you be giving him ‘one more Night’ to prove that ability and then hang him tomorrow if it fails?

Finally - I don't really buy your "Yes" answer to either of my questions as very realistic. Just saying ...

[Seraphim]

I actioned night 3. I bit Ethos.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I actioned night 3. I bit Ethos.

Yup, my mistake ... Night 4.

Your rebuttal still doesn't address the fact that your only confirmable action is based on the abilites you were given, not your original powers. Which is completely the point of my statement.

Nothing about your claimed original role is confirmed in the least.

[Seraphim]

Which I can easily remedy tonight. I can kill pretty much any player you like. Including myself, if you really want me to.

[Seraphim]

Dude, just because he's human doesn't mean he's town. This "wight" ability makes him appear like he's undead. That's all. We've had one non-human flip, Maru. It makes sense that he'd be human.

[SleepyKrew]

I don't get why TS is confirmed either.
TS, WERE you wight, or did you APPEAR wight?
Sera, how is my role not confirmable?

[Seraphim]

sorry. alignment.

Your role hasn't been used in a way that confirms alignment.

Or something like that.

[SleepyKrew]

Oh okay.

[Seraphim]

You know what?

Unvote
Vote: Twistedspoon

I want this more than an SK lynch right now.

[SleepyKrew]

Okay, I cannot find the post that TS claimed he was demillerized. Halp?
Though I DID find that ace immediately jumped off the Jak wagon after Jak claimed, even though it was L-1...

[SleepyKrew]

Sera, explain why TS is scummier than me, especially seeing as earlier it was Me vs. MoI

[Seraphim]

Because TS's play sucked balls.

Also, I think that letting Jak flip might be a good idea.

[SleepyKrew]

Can't Jak not be flipped or something?
But seriously Sera. Reasons.

[Seraphim]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3403193

Here's the de-miller post BTW.

[Seraphim]

I'll give more in-depth reasons later, bed time for me.

[SleepyKrew]

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