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[dopog]

Yo : )

So this is kinda how I'm reading some things in the game at the moment.

Thinking PV is scumming around still. Don't have a superb ability to read someone who plays as he does but

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DrippingSweatball

A hydra of two prolific posting players with posts equal to the mod's in number, but with less information. Normally against a day1 lynch of it, but willing to entertain an exception at this point.

just doesn't sit well with me. At all. No context and yeah just seems to support both (i.e. sets up being able to justify pushing it or not down the road) sides of the potential wagon without actually pushing anything.

Thinking Zdenek is scum as well. Not feeling any real work on his part to discover who is scum and more kind of arbitrary "ok let's push here for a while stuff" and then "nope not gaining any traction with this we'll scumread them now". Also if a question gets answered he kinda just follows up on that person (ok) but in contrast if they don't answer then it just disappears. What I'm saying; Zdenek's pushes don't feel real.

I mean it's so easy to say junk like this;

You spend this entire post talking about Bulb and then you vote Pere? Why didn't you mention anything about Pere? This vote is really awkward.

If one of them flipped scum, I would instantly lynch the other.

proclaim this is what should happen and if it's not the case not be held accountable to it because it was just speculative, or a non-toooo serious push not to be given much weight to.

These two fellas are my strongest scumreads

Finding majiffy and bulbazak in particular hard to read. Majiffy cause his language/style seems to flow pretty naturally (i.e. not alignment-indicative) whereas if it weren't I might scumread that and bulba because trying to weigh up his play with what he was saying about trying to change his town play and still not reconciling his first few posts with that.

Will iso vezok sometime!?

jaja

[dopog]

Oh zdenek's push on sven is a bit what the heck as well

[dopog]

Actually far out a few people's progression/push on sven has been balls this game. And I guess that's kinda where I've been looking at the moment. Not because I'm really reading sven as town or even well (sitting null atm), but just stuff from these chaps when interacting with sven looks... artificial.

~ Zdenek;

This first one is in response to sven

Did you even explain your read on Vezok?

Did you even explain your read on Vezok?

#magic

step to me

Indeed, I see my vote's vanished.

Vote: Svenskt

it is a lazy wagon because i had done nothing up to that point

That's why it's an awesome wagon.

And your further posting is why we should just lynch you now.

"AP, SCB3, are hitting nice notes. Aegor, BBmolla, look town."

"Did you even explain your read on Vezok?"

Plus there was the comment about Sven looking like Caught Scum.

14. AP and SCB3 were hitting nice notes. SBC3: reading GiF as town, BB as town, Mastin as scum, Svensk, PV as scum. AP: Mastin as scum, SB3 as town, Aegor as town, Rubicon's suspicious post. Aegor looked town because of the discussion about Bulbazak, and BBmolla seemed townish early for pushing policy lynches.

15. I think that Svensk is scum pushing BS,

and I'm going to question him on it

.

(bold added - should be obvious where)

and then there is no real mention/interaction with sven until #1025 which I haven't thought too much about - I guess #653 is asking redcoyote to explain a semi-town/null-town read on sven so that's decent. And #975 is interesting want to chuck it here but not delving into it nowers;

I don't understand BBmolla's vote on PV, since Molla is scum reading Sven and it followed some posts by PV pushing on Sven.

Point being there is just such a disconnect between what Zdenek is saying and what he's doing. I think this push on sven wasn't real at all.

~ PeregrineV - think BB hinted at it with the geniune comment but pretty much the push is weird and out of place.

~ Angry Pidgeon - somewhat lost in the lost; but basically his early game looks semi-chainsaw defency of sven (i.e. attacking mastin over her scumread on sven) but then joined the sven wagon + seemingly strong scumread on the sven for a while.

[dopog]

Kinda tiring down now but here's some other stuff.

~ From his wall thinking that RedCoyote was afraid of scumreading me. As in sounds as if he wants to scumread me. Hypothesis being that pushing a scumread on me could be perceived as too easy. He's somewhere in the kinda scumreading places with ap and maaaybe bulba.

~ Sven was advertising his vote on me as lurker push but I mean... I don't really think it was based on stuff he was saying early about softposting maybe and me being in the scumpile from early on... ok just gonna talk to you @sven: I feel like you're veiling your vote with the "let's go after lurkers guys" stuff. I mean of the lurkers you listed; alp, sc3, rc, pv and myself - you weren't scumreading Redcoyote, I don't think you're scumreading pv at all

peregrinev, while in total troll mode, has that resentment towards me that i think indicates town more than scum

don't know you're read on sc3 and alp's only recently to the these are the lurkers party. If you were voting me cause you think what I'm saying is scummy; say that - hit stuff up straight.

~ @AngryP:

@AP: Is the redcoyote rather town read "mostly" gut? Reagardless can you explain it because I'm not guaging the confidence of your reads, even if you have the sections?

Still here and still don't really know how you feel about your reads. Can you update them? Actually at least people you've scumread earlier. Iirc you've obviously hit up the mastin read again and again but maybe want to know the read and perhaps almost equally as important the confidence as of now on dudes such as pidgey, gif, sven.

Cools gonna sleep now !

[Zdenek]

Dopog explained exactly what I'm doing so nicely. Dopog, I can't force people to post and I can't predict if someone will say something scummy when I ask then about something. I'm still trying to b get a feel for some of the people in this game, and so far there is no one who I especially want to lynch.

[Svenskt Stål]

dopog, i am not voting you, i was voting you because you werent as active as i would have liked, why it was you out of all the lurkers? bad luck and maybe alittle bit of my earlier hunch on you

[SweatingChessball3]

Thinking Zdenek is scum as well. Not feeling any real work on his part to discover who is scum and more kind of arbitrary "ok let's push here for a while stuff" and then "nope not gaining any traction with this we'll scumread them now". Also if a question gets answered he kinda just follows up on that person (ok) but in contrast if they don't answer then it just disappears. What I'm saying; Zdenek's pushes don't feel real.

I agree with this. I almost always read Zdenek town. I don't here. That's huge alarm bells.

[SweatingChessball3]

dopog is town.

[Zdenek]

Thinking Zdenek is scum as well. Not feeling any real work on his part to discover who is scum and more kind of arbitrary "ok let's push here for a while stuff" and then "nope not gaining any traction with this we'll scumread them now". Also if a question gets answered he kinda just follows up on that person (ok) but in contrast if they don't answer then it just disappears. What I'm saying; Zdenek's pushes don't feel real.

I agree with this. I almost always read Zdenek town. I don't here. That's huge alarm bells.

You failed in Dr. Who mafia.

[SweatingChessball3]

So your response is: "you failed once" NOT "I am town in this game?"

LOL scum

[Zdenek]

No, I'm just pointing out that you've been wrong before.

[Venmar]

Votecount 1.10

[1]

Majiffy:

Rubicon

[0] Toogeloo:

[0] Sekai No Ki:

[1]

SweatingChessBall3:

Aegor

[2]

PeregrineV:

dopog, BBMolla

[0] RedCoyote:

[2]

Mastin2:

Nero Cain, RedCoyote

[4]

Alpazard:

GuyInFreezer, Thor665, sekai no ki, Toogeloo

[0] Aegor:

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[0] Bulbazak:

[0] Thor665:

[5]

Svenskt Stål:

ActionDan, Alpazard, Mastin2, PeregrineV, Bulbazak

[0] Rubicon:

[0] ActionDan:

[5]

Vezokpiraka:

pidgey, Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Zdenek, Svenskt Stal

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[2]

AngryPidgeon:

SweatingChessball3, Vezokpiraka

[0] Dopog:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Zdenek:

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• Monday, March 10th, 2014

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[pidgey]

Im at airport, will prbably start catching up at night.

[Bulbazak]

I don't remember. Probably. I don't think he looks as bad now as he did.

Why not?

Um... What?

I don't trust people to lynch DGB without me howling for it.

Majiffy/Thor/mastin are people I also trust to lynch her should I be unable.

At least give her a chance to die by nk. I promise if somehow we are both alive by d4 I will give it a thought. Maybe.

[Zdenek]

Why not?

He went from doing nothing to doing something.

[AngryPidgeon]

And if anyone here wants to do Q & A times with dopog that's cool too : )

This sort of post usually comes from town. Feels open and I like the self-auditing dopog is doing.

At least give her a chance to die by nk. I promise if somehow we are both alive by d4 I will give it a thought. Maybe.

You best be stepping up your GAME if you want me to be taking you seriously, bro.

~ Angry Pidgeon - somewhat lost in the lost; but basically his early game looks semi-chainsaw defency of sven (i.e. attacking mastin over her scumread on sven) but then joined the sven wagon + seemingly strong scumread on the sven for a while.

Yes? Mastin called Sven scum for posting an IMAGE. Although I can't blame anyone for thinking Im connected to Sven TBH.

From his wall thinking that RedCoyote was afraid of scumreading me. As in sounds as if he wants to scumread me. Hypothesis being that pushing a scumread on me could be perceived as too easy.

Believe me, RC has noooo issue pushing shit reads as scum. In normalized micro he was the sleaziest sleazeball. So just saying this is nota good reason to be suspicious of him.

So your response is: "you failed once" NOT "I am town in this game?"

LOL scum

Ya, except not at all. Reckoner did this (except moreso) in Shadows and Lights Mafia..and guess what. He was town!!?! #Confetti
This reaction from Zd is null at worst, and propably another reason to think hes town at best.
DGB, however, seems to just be flinging mud at this point.

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I STILL don't have someone that I want to just tunnel on until they die.
I'm growing more confident that DGB is just scum this game.
Vezok seems bad and in particular the "Why would I have to hide my alignment?" felt like someone trying to pretend they are town. I mean seriously, no one is THAT dumb that they can't understand Majiffy was just calling them scum there.
Majiffy I'm paranoid about but tentatively calling town.

GIF/pidgey I need to reevaluate.
Ffery is still a moderate scumread.

My townreads need reorganizing, but they range from meh (nero) to strong (thor).

[AngryPidgeon]

Bulbazak is climbing his way up the town ladder recently.

[Aegor]

I don't trust people to lynch DGB without me howling for it.

I am voting SCB. Why are you not?

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: Vezok; VOTE: DGB

If you come to battle bring a shotgun

[vezokpiraka]

Vezok seems bad and in particular the "Why would I have to hide my alignment?" felt like someone trying to pretend they are town. I mean seriously, no one is THAT dumb that they can't understand Majiffy was just calling them scum there.

Seriously? You take that as a scum tell?
Either you are a bad at seeing scum tells or you are just flinging mud at me. I believe it's the latter.

[AngryPidgeon]

Seriously? You take that as a scum tell?
Either you are a bad at seeing scum tells or you are just flinging mud at me. I believe it's the latter.

Yes I do. Lets break this down so all the 5 year olds can be comprehending it.

Town has no reason to hide their alignment.
Scum do.

I don't think anybody doesn't realize this (feel free to raise your hand in shame if Im wrong).

Majiffy saying you aren't even hiding your alignment anymore is just a cheap potshot that translates to "Vezok is obviously scum guys".

You posting "But why would I have to obscure my alignment" in response to this is just -whiff- right over your head. I have a really hard time believing you got lost in Majiffy's words or otherwise missed thtat he is just calling you a scumbutt offhandedly.

Your response doesn't accomplish anything and it looks like you are trying to imply you are town. And really the only way you are town here is if you really didn't comprehend that Majiffy was calling you scum and had nothing else attached to that statement. I don't think your ass is that dumb, consider this a compliment.

[mastin2]

Mastin
Have you played with town notsci before

Yes. Several times. Theatre Mafia among them. Which was an Alp game.

dopog is ridiculously town. I think I can actually explain it now, but I'm wondering if I even need to, since it's kinda self-evident why in his posting.

Zdenek townread has waned, too, since DGB's right, "lol, you failed at reading me this one time in this one game" is absolutely an awful response.

UNVOTE: Vezok; VOTE: DGB

If you come to battle bring a shotgun

Yeah, but shotguns are a weapon for killing zombies, which is what DGB is.

[GuyInFreezer]

So where exactly did notsci looked town in this game?

[AngryPidgeon]

[1] Majiffy: Rubicon
[2] SweatingChessBall3: Aegor, AP
[2] PeregrineV: dopog, BBMolla
[2] Mastin2: Nero Cain, RedCoyote
[4] Alpazard: GuyInFreezer, Thor665,

sekai no ki

, Toogeloo
[5] Svenskt Stål: ActionDan, Alpazard, Mastin2, PeregrineV,

Bulbazak

[4] Vezokpiraka: pidgey, Majiffy, Zdenek, Svenskt Stal
[2] AngryPidgeon:

SweatingChessball3

, Vezokpiraka

Hrm, k. So just gonna stare at this for a little bit and conf bias a little bit in order to morph the evidence to fit my reads.

Lets start with the Alpaca. A lurkaderp slot to be sure that I really don't feel very much about. There doesn't seem to be a great csae on them besides this and a singular meta read from GIF which smells awful.

[4] Alpazard: GuyInFreezer,

Thor665

,

sekai no ki

,

Toogeloo

Probably one of Ffery/GIF is scum here, leaning ffery. I sort of doubt that both are.

[5] Svenskt Stål: ActionDan, Alpazard,

Mastin2

,

PeregrineV

,

Bulbazak

Welp. I have actiondan as a very very weak townread right now. Weak to the point that I'd still lynch him over most people in this game for being useless if nothing else.

As weird as it is, this wagon could all be town. Scum on it would most likely be Dan or the alpaca. Despite this, I don't think its a great wagon. It feels like one of those trap wagons that is going to end up being 90% town and then we just lynch off it repeatedly after Sven flips town until we lose.

[4] Vezokpiraka: pidgey, Majiffy,

Zdenek

,

Svenskt Stal

Sven is...town? Could see pidgey or Majiffy being scum on this one. Im somewhat doubting that Vezok/Majiffy are a team.

[2] AngryPidgeon:

SweatingChessball3

, Vezokpiraka

I'll admit, the buddying going down here would be pretty extreme for Vezok/DGB to be a team. TBH, the DGB/Majiffy angle and Vezok being town makes more sense on paper. So I guess I sort of doubt both of these are scum, but hm. I really want them to be.

[2] SweatingChessBall3:

Aegor

,

AP

[2] PeregrineV:

dopog

, BBMolla
[2] Mastin2: Nero Cain,

RedCoyote

Annnnd the vanity wagons. I think my color coding should make my opinion here fairly obvious.

tl;dr:
{GIF, Sekai}
{Nero, Molla}
{ChessBall + Majiffy? / Vezok + pidgey?}
{Sven?/Alpaca?}

[GuyInFreezer]

Ugh
How can I explain this clearly
First of all it's not a singular meta read.
It is "so painfully obvious even from that one instance".
I am not pushing it because of one shoddy minor meta read.
I am pushing it because it is painfully obvious, at least for me.
His town attitude and scum attitude upon votes/wagons are just that transparent.