Mini 1566: Lunar Silver Star Story Complete (Game Over)

[Antihero]

I think everything SMP has done so far has been fairly VI-ish especially in his approach to the secret voter and I can kinda see why a townie would be tempted to do some set-up speculation on something new, especially one who fairly new on site

what exactly is VI-ish, i honestly can't wrap my head around it.

yeah, my gut feeling is that the set-up spec is kind of town too, but you're not reading him in a vacuum. and it's not like a scum player wouldn't be curious about a secret double voter. and set-up spec isn't really something that's likely to draw criticism, so i'm not exactly sure what you think is VI-ish about that behavior.

bottom line is that i don't think SMP is bad or a VI or really blatantly anti-town

[Hello Kitty Creampuff]

I dunno, I kinda feel like it does, especially fairly useless set-up spec

and... I'm not reading him in a vaccum? I usually think that is a bad thing, and something I try to avoid

[Antihero]

not me because I don't have an ego

no, it's pretty obvious you do. and i can handle disagreement, but don't act like this is some weird inconsistency that i'm scumreading kdub. you're being obtuse just to get at me and "win" the argument.

i've been saying why i think kdub is scum pretty well beyond the one thing you very dickishly quoted and you're acting like sangres and i are some sort of weirdos for ... i don't know... i guess having the audacity to disagree with you.

[Hello Kitty Creampuff]

and, I said at best he's being blatantly anti-town via posting stuff that is definitely not helping town

[Jake from State Farm]

not me because I don't have an ego

no, it's pretty obvious you do. and i can handle disagreement, but don't act like this is some weird inconsistency that i'm scumreading kdub. you're being obtuse just to get at me and "win" the argument.

i've been saying why i think kdub is scum pretty well beyond the one thing you very dickishly quoted and you're acting like sangres and i are some sort of weirdos for ... i don't know... i guess having the audacity to disagree with you.

Saying someone is scum but never voting him implies no conviction. You are trying to berate people for letting kdub slide but you never voted him in a serious manner. You never actively pushed his lynch.

It certainly wasn't my ego that stopped you from doing that, so enlighten me why you didn't actively push your top scum read?

[Antihero]

right, that was the first two posts of SMP's iso. the rest of the posts are not devoted to that and ... i still don't think he's a VI.

i... i don't really know how to explain why i think that at this point.

VI's tend to make really bad faux pas and it'll be... i don't know... wikitell kinds of shit. quickhammering. mealy-mouthing. fencesitting. stuff that's frowned upon by site meta because nearly everyone thinks it's scummy.

not seeing that in SMP's posts. aside from the first two posts, i don't think SMP has really said anything really controversial or egregiously "bad".

[Jake from State Farm]

don't think SMP has really said anything really controversial or egregiously "bad".

so why are you voting him?

also you thought his post 822 is bad, does that not apply anymore?

[Antihero]

Saying someone is scum but never voting him implies no conviction. You are trying to berate people for letting kdub slide but you never voted him in a serious manner. You never actively pushed his lynch.

It certainly wasn't my ego that stopped you from doing that, so enlighten me why you didn't actively push your top scum read?

no, it implies that i only have one vote: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5840094

read ISO from 873 down: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

no one besides PhD actually ended up voting for AJ. PhD gave me some hope that an aj wagon would take off, but it never ended up materializing

[Antihero]

don't think SMP has really said anything really controversial or egregiously "bad".

so why are you voting him?

also you thought his post 822 is bad, does that not apply anymore?

HOLY FUCK ARE YOU KEEPING UP WITH BERT/MARA + I'S CONVERSATION?

i'm saying this because i disagree with the assertion "SMP is a VI", which is bert/mara's argument.

read the context

, something you seem to have trouble doing

[Hello Kitty Creampuff]

Mara's

[Hello Kitty Creampuff]

and, I would still like to vote actual scum, especially when there have been others who were interested in said lynch, as well

[Jake from State Farm]

no, it implies that i only have one vote: viewtopic.php?p=5840094#p5840094

I also only have one vote though that never held me back from pushing the people I thought was scum

that's a cop out excuse if I ever saw one.


p.edit - fine I misread what you guys were talking about. my apologies

[Antihero]

/mechanics of the fucking game are a "cop out"

i'm fucking done

[sangres]

show of hands - who's willing to vote kdub?

[Jake from State Farm]

/mechanics of the fucking game are a "cop out"

i'm fucking done

why are you being intentionally dense?

You said the reason you didn't push your top scum read is because you only had 1 vote. That's the most absurd reason I have ever heard in my life.


So every game you play you never push your top scum reads? You just sheep others because you can't ever do anything with your lonely vote?

[Jake from State Farm]

Now answer my question with a answer that actually makes fucking sense.

Why did you not try to lynch kdub if he was one of your top lynch candidates? And don't give me the bullshit about you only having 1 vote.

[Antihero]

show of hands - who's willing to vote kdub?

/hand

@jake:
1. realize

you

assigned kdub as my "top scumread", not me
2. look back at my ISO
3. ???
4. i'm still fucking done

[Jake from State Farm]

well I assume when you made this comment

we're watching scumbag kdub completely get away with a mislynch and it's maddening

he was your top scum read, ok so if not your top he was in your top 3.

2. i did and you had 3 scum reads, voted 2 of them and didn't vote the 3rd until shroom was already at L-1 and you took your vote off him and moved him over to somebody you had earlier said was probably town because of his reaction to the ??? voter.

[Antihero]

Why did you not try to lynch kdub if he was one of your top lynch candidates? And don't give me the bullshit about you only having 1 vote.

i don't even know what you're talking about.

you

make no sense.

"town vote

all

their scumreads"? is that the premise? how does that even work?

what alternate dimension are you in?

[sangres]

BRO? Would you switch to Kdub?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why did you not try to lynch kdub if he was one of your top lynch candidates? And don't give me the bullshit about you only having 1 vote.

i don't even know what you're talking about.

you

make no sense.

"town vote

all

their scumreads"? is that the premise? how does that even work?

what alternate dimension are you in?

Now you are you just trying to insult me.

You vote 2 of your scum reads right?

When someone you don't want lynched gets to l-1 you start making a big deal about letting your 3rd scum read (kdub) slide

You never voted kdub. You never tried to get others to vote him. Why now? Why him and not your other 2 reads, people you had actually voted ?

Your reactions make no sense. I'm making perfect sense.

[Antihero]

i'm making the point that you're splitting hairs. aside from explaining the case for my scumread, i don't know how i was supposed to "try to get others to vote him".
no one besides sangres and mara seem to agree and it takes more than 3 to lynch. that's the bottom line. i decided to use my vote to push an aj lynch, but that was the same story. it seems only phd agreed. and it's quickly becoming the same story for SMP.

if 5 people come in and they read the thread and agree with me, i'll happily take an aj lynch. but it's likely not going to happen in the next 9 hours.
if 5 people come in and agree to a kdub lynch, i'll happily take that too. again, not likely to happen.

now, if you're saying it's because of my lack of trying to explain the cases to people, you're wrong.

[HighShroomish]

I'm VT whoever asked me to claim.
And yes Scar, that's what I was looking for. Kdub would be good, too.

[sangres]

4 people willing to vote kdub? Who else?

[Jake from State Farm]

i'd vote smp over kdub but I don't see any reason not to lynch shroom so you still need 3 more