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↑ killapenwin wrote:Ok, I am definitely not getting on this Dave wagon today, the case against him is weak and borne from him trying to defend himself since the beginning. I don't see this as credible reason to vote him much less lynch him.

Eyestott and Copper will be prime targets for scum tonight so if they are town they won't be around much longer anyway and there is no point giving scum less work to do.

I really don't like how BC has coasted almost the entire first day with nothing to show and I ask that the rest of you follow me in voting him.

vote:BeastCharizard

i agree with the sentiments about eyes copper and BC. BUT BC is not the right vote today. we need a lynch that tells us something. BC's allignment doesnt give us anything other than his allignment, no links to other players, nothing. Its easier to get someone to investigate him and then go from there.

Wrong. Mastin screamed that he was town earlier and Copper vouched for him in 158

Tean wrote:Like I said, if they voted with a reason, its because there's something scummy about the person. I didn't say that the voting itself was blindly following, but rather the interaction before the voting seemed like some people (in this case Eye) were blindly following to me.

I still disagree. As I said before, eye gave his own mastin-independent reason for voting dave. Is your use of the word "people" here another mistake?

Tean wrote:

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:When did I say that?

You didn't, but I assumed this was the reason why you thought I was about to jump on Mastin.

No, that wasn't my reason. I mistakenly thought your "idolizing" and "cryptic as flip" comments were supposed to indicate suspicion. And if you were starting to be suspicious of mastin, then I predicted a jump.

*frazzled*
I feel like I'm trying to re-invent the wheel here because I don't really care for any of the three wagon leaders that everyone's calling for consolidation on. I feel like the most promising leads are mastin, killapenguin, or vettrock, but all of those are still in the "vanity" classification.

-TTH

@heartless what about beastcharizard?

What him?

why wouldn't you vote him as an alternate to the other 3?

There's the distinct lack of an attitude adjustment I would expect scum to get in his position once he started taking abuse. If he's scum, beastcharizard is lazy to a fault.

Antihero also doesn't seem enthused with the prospect of voting beast and he has a history with him to base a more informed read off of.

↑ copper223 wrote:davesaz - Mastin2, Wickedestjr, Dodgy, Tean, eyestott

davesaz - Mastin2, Wickedestjr, Tean Samargo, eyestott, Copper

davesaz - Tean Samargo, Mastin2, Heartless, beastcharizard, Wickedestjr

=> 8 individual players willing to sit on a L-2 davesaz lynch, is scum bussing or inactive? This looks like a town mislynch to me.

Eight? Wow. That's a lot more than eleven. Eleven people suspected eyestott before he claimed... yet somehow 'lack of opposition' is only a problem for the dave bandwagon. I still don't get it.

Given that Mastin blew a fuse defending him before any traction was gained on him, why would he need to?

↑ killapenwin wrote:Wrong. Mastin screamed that he was town earlier and Copper vouched for him in 158

Ok there would be information gained from a beast lynch, but the quantity of info gained would be significantly low in comparison to most other options (all but vettrock). As I said in the first paragraph of my 954, I think beast is a bad lynch today but a great person to pressure tomorrow if he's still alive. I think you should vote someone else, even if beast was a good lynch right now, there's not any support there.

So much talk, so little action.

Wickedestjr: assume I'm town and apply logic. Go where that naturally leads you.

As for me...
VOTE: Mastin2


Town: lynch someone. You already have my opinion on lynch vs. no-lynch.

↑ Heartless wrote:

↑ davesaz wrote:Re 1042: Not sure why the comparison to anti is relevant to reading tean. The posts of teans that i linked include material not related to me which has a large effect on the tean read. Phonepost

You're townreading Tean and scumreading Anti even though they're both saying similar things. There's a fundamental conflict here.

-TTH

Ah, it seems like I'm not the only who cares about being scum read or voted.

i couldnt agree more with wicked at this point.

i also think dave is spot on. we need to lynch someone. and that means getting someone to 7 votes within the next 21 hours by my count.
no lynch is a horrible result for the town.

dave and killa, please place your vote on one of main wagons. atm your votes are wasted and could lead to a no-lynch.
@dave, if you dont vote on a main wagon i will vote you because i know you know the importance of the town lynching today.

The main wagons are on people I have town reads on.

↑ davesaz wrote:The main wagons are on people I have town reads on.

please explain your townread on tean for me?

It's alarming to me how well reasoned davesaz sounds in these last few pages, where was this persona earlier today?

↑ dodgy56 wrote:

↑ davesaz wrote:The main wagons are on people I have town reads on.

please explain your townread on tean for me?

↑ davesaz wrote:Here's that Tean thing I was looking up.

Spoiler: wall prevention

93 - penwin scum analysis

97 - vettrock not scum hunting

163 - BBT coasting

182, 189 - my reads list is filler (incorrect but at least it's something)

231 saying i'm active on site but not working here. eyestott opportunistic. penwin salty. dodgy inquisitive, wicked informative (I would use insightful)

530. penwin not hunting. things wouldn't end up well -> vengeful crumb?
asks penwin about people idolizing mastin
says that my 312 means that i wouldn't play optimally as either scum or town

589 clarifies that penwin didn't post "things wouldnt end up well", editing errors. I confirmed that nobody said those exact words. Penwin did say that Tean wasn't looking good.

705 explains the "idolizing mastin" thing, calls eyestott a white knight to mastin and a cheerleader for the wagon
says their vote on me is for reasons other than the cheerleading
Dodgy's vote was too eager to be towny

706 eye and dodgy are not likely to both be scum. if one is scum the other is likely town

708 bbt is town but not completely so

898 my focus is in the wrong place

922 acknowledges that i have pointed out discrepancies in how i'm treated vs others, but questions some of the links

967 again with calling some of the links filler

I think this is probably town. 231, 705, and 706 are quite accurate. 898 is an opinion that town should have. It may even be a little true, though I of course will continue to defend my defensiveness. 922 I see town conceding points a lot more often than scum, and keeping the doubts there and again in 967 isn't something that scum often do -- scum would either capitulate or press harder, the middle road response is much more townie.

I probably should have paid attention to the vote progression, but did not take notes on that.

I'll put the two together for you. (you have to open the spoiler)

I have read the game and am following it, I just haven't had as much time as I would like to put together much of a case

I am putting wicked on my town list below eyestott. His posts all seem to make sense and are well reasoned and supported with evidence.

I have copper leaning scum at this point, but I'm not confident enough to risk the vengeful kill, so I don't think we should lynch him.

I think dave is the best option. He appears more town later, but I am going to write this off as scum trying to save themselves. He is definitely the best of any of the "non-vanity" wagons for today.
VOTE: dave

That is L-1.

Tean appears town to me. He has called me out a few time for lack of content (which he is not the only one, and it is certainly deserved) but it appears motivated to get me to post rather than just using it as a reason to call me scum. While this isn't the best reason and is a little OMGUS'y

Heartless on the other side appears more to just write me off as scum since I haven't contributed as much at this point. Also a bit on the OMGUS.

Mastin while her behavior matches her meta(although there is no scum to compare), I can't say I like it. It seems very arbitrary.

↑ beastcharizard wrote:

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:If scum, you wouldn’t be ‘playing to win’ unless you made an active effort to manipulate your meta… If you were scum, why wouldn’t you just play the same way?

I asked when I did it successfully. Also, there is no benefit of lurking at this time. Late game sure lurking has its benefit, but early game it is a death sentence. I have my reasons for not being around and yes it is a strategy. If dave is scum it totally worked.

This bothers me a bit. I've certainly not been around or providing as much content as I would like. Partially because D1 tends to be difficult for me, and partially because I haven't had as much time as I would like. But to say that his lurking was strategy is definately scummy in my book. Not the lynch for today, but something to consider in the future.

VOTE: davesaz

Let's ger this over with before we actually get a no lynch.

As of Post #1072, has been lynched. He was a .

Night 1 now begins. Deadline will be Tuesday, January 20th at 8:45 pm PST which is in (expired on 2015-01-20 20:45:00)

The next day comes.. and there are 2 members of the town no longer among the living.

eyestott, , killed Night 1.
dodgy56, , killed Night 1.

Day 2 begins.