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↑ Titus wrote:RBD, I think Ari is scum regardless of your alignment. He could be hammer posturing on kthx, bad at scum with you, etc. An Ari flip where he is not vanillaizer scum firms you. A vanillaizer flip suggests but does not confirm you are town. You could be avoiding voting Ari because you are scum with him. All rational roads lead to Ari scum.

You are not defending Ari and refuse to vote him. That's a neon flag you're scum with Ari if your last comments about kthx Ari have any weight.

I will not be voting Aristo with lufan still alive here. She will be left alive and lose the game.

All rational roads to me are leading to kthnx scum at this point. Elbrin is already voting him. Aristo should be voting him. KJ has expressed interest in voting him. Why should I not be voting him?

Because I am town and I am not voting kthx today.

Aristotle is scum and thus will not vote. KJ voting kthx should suggest they are unaligned. Elbrin voting him just means you persuaded him better than me.

↑ Titus wrote:Aristotle is scum and thus will not vote. KJ voting kthx should suggest they are unaligned. Elbrin voting him just means you persuaded him better than me.

So then with those four voting kthnx and him not getting hammer he would be confirmed scum to you right?

If kthnx is town, and it dosnt end with me, KJ, Aristo and Elbrin voting him. It would mean the pool has three scum in it. You already have Elbrin as "conf town" and you just said that would suggest KJ-kthnx aren't scum together.

@Aristo - Its basically your call today. Either you are voting kthnx or you are getting lynched. Nothing else can possibly happen.

RBD, I would want to see how that happened. Short of a miracle, Ari is the only one I want wagoned.

↑ Titus wrote:Then why aren't you voting Kthx?

Because this is a growing read and I just came to this. Notice my insistance upon Elbrin until now.

Reading up on posts after this atm.

How does Aris flip cement rbd as town or scum? If ari is scum, he could have cooperated with town by targeting a town-rbd or a town-jingle no?

Crap that was directed at titus last post on the previous page

Ah fuck it.

VOTE: Kthnx.

If you are town and we lose, sorry.
If you are scum, fuck yeah!

That I haven't been lynched now makes me more certain in this.
Something has to haopen today, so here we go.

↑ Elbirn wrote:How does Aris flip cement rbd as town or scum? If ari is scum, he could have cooperated with town by targeting a town-rbd or a town-jingle no?

It's not 100% perfect but if Ari doesn't flip 2 shot vanillaizer, at least one of Jingle RBD must be scum as they both couldn't be vanillaized even in a broken NAR world. Probably both. Given RBD's refusal to vote Ari, my suspicion would go there.

If Ari flips 2 shot scum vanillaizer, it suggests that Ari is not aligned with RBD/Jingle because Ari would put up more of a fight if forced to vanillaize his buddies.

Ari could still be scum with RBD/Jingle and they could be pretending to be vanilla (possible given broken NAR) but much less likely.

Hmm, I was not expecting Ari to vote here.... interesting... but it does fit within a RBD/Ari/Jingle universe...

If Ari scum refuses to vote, it would likely have left me to decide between Jingle/RBD and Kthx/KJ most likely... but Ari doesn't take that move... why?

Not certain I understand your musings titus. Aris vote read like a bad bus to me.

↑ Elbirn wrote:Not certain I understand your musings titus. Aris vote read like a bad bus to me.

I know this is #WiFoM but if I were scum, bussing would be dumb.
I would either take the bullet or draw the nolynch by continuing on RBD.

What possible good would bussing do?
I'm not gonna get town cred.
I'm still gonna be "confscum" to RBD and possibly Titus, among strong reads from others.
It would do me zero good to bus right now.
But okay, see whatever you like.

This is the most confscum I have been without actually being scum, like, ever.

↑ Titus wrote:Hmm, I was not expecting Ari to vote here.... interesting... but it does fit within a RBD/Ari/Jingle universe...

Should Kthnx flip scum, what will it do to your RBD/Jingle/Ari universe, since only 2 of three can be scum at that point?

↑ Rainbowdash wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:RBD, I think Ari is scum regardless of your alignment. He could be hammer posturing on kthx, bad at scum with you, etc. An Ari flip where he is not vanillaizer scum firms you. A vanillaizer flip suggests but does not confirm you are town. You could be avoiding voting Ari because you are scum with him. All rational roads lead to Ari scum.

You are not defending Ari and refuse to vote him. That's a neon flag you're scum with Ari if your last comments about kthx Ari have any weight.

I will not be voting Aristo with lufan still alive here. She will be left alive and lose the game.

All rational roads to me are leading to kthnx scum at this point. Elbrin is already voting him. Aristo should be voting him. KJ has expressed interest in voting him. Why should I not be voting him?

Call me dumb or whatever, but can you gimme that bilded part again?
Are you saying Lufan is town or scum here and what does that have to do with my own alignment?

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↑ Elbirn wrote:Not certain I understand your musings titus. Aris vote read like a bad bus to me.

I know this is #WiFoM but if I were scum, bussing would be dumb.
I would either take the bullet or draw the nolynch by continuing on RBD.

What possible good would bussing do?
I'm not gonna get town cred.
I'm still gonna be "confscum" to RBD and possibly Titus, among strong reads from others.
It would do me zero good to bus right now.
But okay, see whatever you like.

This is the most confscum I have been without actually being scum, like, ever.

If kthx is scum, a lynch of all 5 town on the wagon would be possible. Not probable mind you but possible. This would make the 2 off wagon look really, really bad. Someone on kthx wagon is going to be scum, there's no way both partners would just ignore the wagon. You could be the bussing scum mate.

Course if kthx is town the game is already over and we're all wasting our time, as a bus would be required to lynch scum and scum wouldn't bus when they could force a no lunch and win. Tho the fact that this hasn't happened pretty much means he's scum.

Regardless of your alignment your vote is exactly where it should be, so gj.

↑ Aristophanes wrote:Call me dumb or whatever, but can you gimme that bilded part again?Are you saying Lufan is town or scum here and what does that have to do with my own alignment?

Im saying im pretty sure lufan votes me with you flipping scum. With kthnx flipping scum I think lufan actually will rethink things.

Titus wrote:Hmm, I was not expecting Ari to vote here.... interesting... but it does fit within a RBD/Ari/Jingle universe...

So we are going back to a universe where Aristo/Jingle are both scum? How does that one work again?

↑ Elbirn wrote:Not certain I understand your musings titus. Aris vote read like a bad bus to me.

Why bus here though?

Ari would know I am town and have zero incentive to bus since I have openly stated that I have zero intent to resolve RBD/Jingle versus KJ/Kthx.

Without my vote, town could never get a lynch off. If kthx flips scum, the presumption would be that he bussed. The better play in his spot is to be a wish washy obstinate asshole and take his lynch tomorrow, yet he does the decidedly sub optimal thing and busses.... I don't think so.

I am firmly in the Jingle RBD Ari camp atm.

↑ Rainbowdash wrote:

↑ Aristophanes wrote:Call me dumb or whatever, but can you gimme that bilded part again?Are you saying Lufan is town or scum here and what does that have to do with my own alignment?

Im saying im pretty sure lufan votes me with you flipping scum. With kthnx flipping scum I think lufan actually will rethink things.

Titus wrote:Hmm, I was not expecting Ari to vote here.... interesting... but it does fit within a RBD/Ari/Jingle universe...

So we are going back to a universe where Aristo/Jingle are both scum? How does that one work again?

You aren't vanilla. That's how it works.

↑ Titus wrote:You aren't vanilla. That's how it works.

If those were the roles why does Jingle actually use their role last night (im just going to assume if they are scum they are one shot to prevent an easy forced win)? In that case scum would have just said that Jingle did something, leave that a mystery, and then ended up in a spot where if there ever was a no lynch Jingle activates his role and scum auto-wins. You know how easy it would have been to just push through a no lynch today if that was the setup?

Also it doesn't account for the fact that Elbrin would have been the "second kill" instead of what you are apparently claiming in KJ since as Elbrin has pointed out AND you agree with, Elbrin is confirmed town. How was there one kill without KJ being saved or blocked?

You are trying to create a scenario where you are right here.

Such roles are deactivated in Lylo.

RBD, you are not vanilla in that setup. You changed yourself with KJ being the most likely.

Btw, you're arguing the equivalent of hated never existing because Lylo f2f. Hateds tend to lose hated in Lylo.

F2f is makes Lylo autoloss. Dunno what I originally had. Damn auto correct.

RBD, if lufan would vote you after an Air flip, we need to remove Air scum today and pray our protective roles lied and duck things up for scum. The lufan issue will always exist. It's a lame copout. If you think Ari is scum, vote him.