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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:45 am

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Im inadvertantly still here...


HAMMAH VOTE!!!

VOTE SETAEL
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:46 am

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...

What the hell just happened?
As I move my vote
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It fills my head up and gets louder and
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:50 am

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I decded there was no point delaying the inevitable... and decided to let her hang
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:12 pm

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But, there was still discussion going on between Mizzy and Yos...
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:09 pm

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Final Votecount

Setael (5) -- Ether, Yosarian2, Mizzy, eldarad, Porochaz

Not voting: Setael, scotmany12, YvonneSeer
8 alive, 5 to lynch.
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Without even a word from Setael, you all decide that she's guilty of the terrible crime of putting the weak doctor out of action. Setael flips her card, to reveal the Mafia Encryptor, another excellent role in it's own right. This means that the remaining scumbag can no longer talk to itself during the day, which is a major blow to the mafia team. Poor Setael has to leave quickly to avoid anything worse from the rabid lynch mob. She was a good person at heart, who didn't want to be scum, but sadly drew the short straw here. Lynching the encryptor wasn't good for science, but it was good for the town; now there's only one infiltrator left to find.

Setael - Mafia Encryptor - lynched day 3


It's night 3. The deadline is 72 hours.
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:03 pm

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During night 3, our friendly mafia network, now made up of one person, decided to force Mizzy out of the game for good, which is the PYP2 euphemism for nightkill. The mafia plotting room is the study on the second floor, so you’d be able to tell who it is simply by seeing who comes out of that room for daybreak, if this story was real and not merely written down. Back in the lounge, Mizzy is revealed to be a masoniser, yet another excellent role, and the last of your poweroles. Mizzy bounces out of the room, and you all hear a shriek coming from the kitchen as she is told who the last scumbag is. Six of you remain, and five of you are on the same team. Surely you can hunt down and expel the last scum. Surely. Right? Do it for Mizzy.

Mizzy - Masoniser - killed night 3


It's day 4. With 6 alive, 4 votes will be enough to politely ask someone to leave.
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:13 pm

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Bah! Go town!
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:57 pm

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Night = no posting
Day = posting

Now is day. Hint hint.
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:24 am

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vote Porochaz
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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:03 am

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Here's where I am right now.
In isolation, I'd say Yos/Lulu is our third scum due to the half-claim that we've discussed for the past 2 Days. I also see a consistent chain of scumminess through Dragon Princess-Lulubelle that Yosarian has inherited and has sought to distance himself from.

However, I see a Setael & Porochaz scum-pairing as pretty likely. I'm also happier with the thought of a Gorrad/Setael/Porochaz scum group than a Gorrad/Setael/Yosarian scum group (which is plausible, but something doesn't quite fit right)
So overall, I'm leaning towards a Porochaz lynch as our best bet for nailing the last scum today.

OK Ether, you're up.
You're our last confirmed townie so you need to, like, say things. Who do you suspect, who looks townie, who has been going with the flow?
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:42 am

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I have said it since the beginning,
vote YvonneSeer
now I am prime suspect I presume. I could spew out some bullcrap WIFOM arguments but I won't . Me, Yos2, Yvonne choose whoever you think it is and vote.
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:42 am

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I think it's one of {Eldarad, Scotmany, Yosarian}. Yvonne is obvtown, and I agree with Yosarian's assessment of the interactions between Setael and Porochaz. I won't be voting either today.

I'm unsure what to make of Lulubelle, and there's something that's something that bothers me about Ckillor not being the goon, though that might be chatcentrist. But I quite like Yosarian's play. Eh.

Vote: eldarad
is a good start.
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
LOUDER
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:24 am

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eldarad wrote:Here's where I am right now.
In isolation, I'd say Yos/Lulu is our third scum due to the half-claim that we've discussed for the past 2 Days. I also see a consistent chain of scumminess through Dragon Princess-Lulubelle that Yosarian has inherited and has sought to distance himself from.
So...you think I came into the game, saw that the person who played before me looked a bit scummy, and so I decided to bus both of my scum partners? Do you really think that's likely here?

The only case you've tried to make against LuLu was that Jdodge thought she was trying to claim weak doc, even though Jdodge later seemed he was wrong about that. I already showed yesterday that Lulu was clearly not trying to claim weak doc (since she was in fact speculating that there wasn't a weak doc), and you didn't respond to that point at all. So now you're just making vauge claims about Lulu being "scummy" without being willing to explain it all all, while totally ignoring the fact that since I replaced in I've already found and lynched 2/3'ds of the scum in this game.
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:11 am

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Hey, I have to reread jordan/elderad. I remember something catching my mind that led me to believe they were scum, but I don't remember what it is.
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:38 am

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Yos wrote:The only case you've tried to make against LuLu was that Jdodge thought she was trying to claim weak doc, even though Jdodge later seemed he was wrong about that.
I don't recall JD ever seeming or suggesting that he may have been wrong. But that's easy for you to say now that he is dead.
Yos wrote:I already showed yesterday that Lulu was clearly not trying to claim weak doc (since she was in fact speculating that there wasn't a weak doc), and you didn't respond to that point at all.
That's a spurious point. Lulu *didn't* claim weak doc, although she certainly tried to. Earlier she had speculated that there was no weak doc, but that isn't a point in her favour. At the time JD intervened she was very much implying that she was the weak doc, irrespective of what she had said earlier.
Yos wrote:So now you're just making vauge claims about Lulu being "scummy" without being willing to explain it all all
From my huge catchup post (text in <brackets> has been added)
eldarad, in post 974 wrote:Dragonprincess thinks that bookitty truly has been making an effort to answer ether's questions. Votes Ether (
OK, this is just horrendous bandwagoning. And the first genuinely scummy post I have come across.
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<then Dragonprincess disappears, replaced by Lulu>

Lulubelle doesn't want to make an exhaustive person-by-person analysis. She agrees with some people, and disagrees with others, without specifying which things she agreed with or which ones she disagreed with. (
Awful. I really dislike this post
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Lulubelle wrote:Did I say I wanted to lynch her? I believe I said I was strongly considering putting her at L-1.
Whilst I accept there are many possible reasons for placing a vote, voting for someone to place them at L-1 strongly suggests that you want them lynched.
Lulu reveals that she tried to unvote but was defeated by the grey screen of death (
do I believe that? I'm doubtful
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<then we get the weak doc thing>

LuluBelle doesn't really like any of the plans. She suggests having the weak doc just protect someone

<then Yos replaces Lulu>
I didn't just make the 'vague scumminess' up.
Yos wrote:while totally ignoring the fact that since I replaced in I've already found and lynched 2/3'ds of the scum in this game.
That's a very strong statement. Let's just say that I doubt the how useful that "fact" is as evidence of your alignment.
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:45 am

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JDodge wrote:
scotmany12 wrote:I would prefer jd's plan over everyone else.

@JD, do you feel that you still caught scum in Lulu? If so are you still unwilling to release the tell that you think you got from her?
I think I overreacted a bit. She's still one of my top suspects, but there are others who are scummier.
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:23 am

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Porochaz, you and your buddies had no case against me back in D2 when the three of you were trying to lynch me and you still have no case now. The fact that you're OMGUSing me is only more indicative of you being scum.
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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:39 am

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I don't think it is.
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:06 pm

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eldarad wrote: That's a spurious point. Lulu *didn't* claim weak doc, although she certainly tried to.
No, she pretty clearly was NOT "trying" to claim weak doc.
Earlier she had speculated that there was no weak doc, but that isn't a point in her favour. At the time JD intervened she was very much implying that she was the weak doc, irrespective of what she had said earlier.
Um, it wasn't just "earlier". It was the EXACT PREVIOUS POST; why would she say that if she was going to pretend to be the weak doc?

And she was NOT "very much implying she was the weak doc"; I went through this all in a post you ignored yesterday. Saying that no one should be talking about the weak doc, and not wanting to discuss why, is not the same as claiming weak doc.
Yos wrote:while totally ignoring the fact that since I replaced in I've already found and lynched 2/3'ds of the scum in this game.
That's a very strong statement. Let's just say that I doubt the how useful that "fact" is as evidence of your alignment.[/quote]

You know, putting the word "fact" in quotes dosn't change the fact that I've already done far more to help the town here then either you or the person you replaced.

When I replaced in, no one was voting for Gorrad, there was no pressure on him at all. After reading through the thread in great detail, I found a lot of scummy things he had done from the very start of the game, put together a detailed post on him, and that started the wagon that lead to his death. During the course of this, Sestal attacked me for attacking Gorrad, did everything she could to discredit me and protect Gorrad while tryign to get Porochaz lyncehd instead, and I figured out she was likely to be his scumbuddy and explained it.

So yeah, I do think that the fact (note the lack of quotes there?) that I figured out both of scum we've lynched so far and led directly to the lynch of one of them, that I feel like I've been at the absolute top of my game so far here and have done a huge amount to help the town, should be a point in my favor. I'm rather confused about why you think it's not.
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:22 pm

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Ether wrote:I don't think it is.
Why do you think he's a townie?
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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:23 pm

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YvonneSeer wrote:Porochaz, you and your buddies had no case against me back in D2 when the three of you were trying to lynch me and you still have no case now. The fact that you're OMGUSing me is only more indicative of you being scum.
You bore me, I am obviously voting you because I think I have a case against you. and have done since day 1. People disagreed with me then but I still think your scum so Im still voting for you. Why would I be voting you if I was scum, hmmm? If I was lone scum I would be going after someone else in the frame. WIFOM, yes I know but for once, before mouthing off try and see the sense in what your saying and what possible motive I may have for voting you if I was a lone scum, beyond OMGUS.
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:26 pm

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So what is your case against me then?
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:41 pm

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Ok Im ill and dont really have time to go into a great detailed post about you considering I also have an exam tomorrow... Try posts 5, 18, 19, 23, 40 and 45 when youve searched my name up Oldest First for a case, I recommend reading more than that though as there are some other posts where Im talking to Mizzy (or whoever and I put you down in the scum 3some... Also for someone who made quite an impact earlier on as soon as people lay of you disappear slightly. Thats the best I can do. Now Im either going away to be sick or just have a very sicky cough. Thank you
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:54 pm

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Post 1069, YvonneSeer wrote:
Post 1067, Ether wrote:I don't think it is.
Why do you think he's a townie?
1037.
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:19 am

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(MS just timed out as I pressed Submit so I would have lost my post. Luckily I still had notepad open. Rawr)
Yos wrote:Um, it wasn't just "earlier". It was the EXACT PREVIOUS POST; why would she say that if she was going to pretend to be the weak doc?
Well, Lulubelle did a little bit of power role speculation around the time you say.
In post 470 she says how a cop claim could be seen as implausible, as a partial defence of Gorrad's hammer.
Then, following JDodge's claiming who he protected, Lulubelle speculated on the absence of a weak doc. Maybe she was testing the waters for her claim, and then backed down once JD jumped down her throat after her next post?

I'm not trying to downplay your "scumhunting" (lol, I'm just doing that to annoy you now), but I really have a huge problem with Lulubelle's actions back then. Although I do accept your point that bussing both of your scumbuddies would be a somewhat extreme solution.

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scot, erm OK. I admit I missed that.
Here's the thing though. He never said he was wrong about Lulu, just that other people were scummier. And then JD switches who he was going to protect from Gorrad to Setael whilst advocating a Gorrad lynch, so he was virtually certain that Gorrad was scum. (With, presumably, Setael as probscum)
Was that what you were looking for with your read, or is there more to come?

Ether, are you going to explain your vote? Or not?
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