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If we lynch all town, we are screwed with grouping tomorrow

In post 1021, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:yeah pine see i think you're town but you dead isn't so bad (see: you're perfectly willing to die for the cause) but wisdom saving drambird, if SCUM, from annihilation would be pretty poop

Concur.

I need to die to eliminate the possibility of me being the cause of a ML in future days, and I want to take Dram or Cakez with me. Muffin also acceptable.

I also do not want to lose the opportunity presented by Kokichi's guilty.

In post 1046, Wisdom wrote:eddie who do you swap if you know me and kokichi are town

I told you

swap kok and someone in group 3 and we lynch group 2 or dont swap

that's about it

12 pages overnight...I'm phone-posting and getting an unusuallly sh*t signal. Pardon the lack of posting so far this morning.

Catching up from my last post at bottom pg 26:

Is suicidal Pine a throw in the towel scum tell or could he just be town who is confident that whatever group he winds up in (2 or 3) will contain scum, and dying will still be for the good of town? I lean town on Pine btw.

@Dram...how does the Koki claim make Wisdom's role anti-town? I think the ability to swap players who are strongly read one way or the other to suit the best interests of the town majority is a pretty powerful tool for town. Not sure I feel the same way about the zMuff claim. That seems more self-serving as opposed to Wisdom's which feels like it's for the good of all. I believe the 3 claims in this order: Wisdom, Koki, zMuff. They might all be true and town but this is the order I trust them. (Dram addresses this question a few posts later but I still disagree).

@DV...your reads are cr@p. I am town. I don't get the sr on Pine. Wisdom is way too low. Dramonic is way too high. What's the saying...your opinion is like an arsehole...it stinks?

@DV...so basically you aren't feeling too good about any of the claims.

@BuJaber...this results in Wisdom and zMuff being in G3 with RMOJ and Dramonic. So you would then advocate a G3 lynch or a G2 lynch that contains you....Koki....that doesn't seem like a "best solution." And depending on the outcome we might be able to confirm Koki's claim.

@DV...wrt to your logic on scum reading me. Do you not think zMuff's early opinion towards you came across as a policy lynch? I did and his refusal to acknowledge it despite practically calling it what it was seemed deceitful / evasive to me. And iirc I only discussed it over the span of two posts. And we are all in the same game. I am coming up with my own opinions/comments. If they mirror those of others that is not intentional and they should be looked at as a broader confirmation of whatever comment or opinion you are inferring I am basing something on. Point is...we're all basing our comments on the same shit as everyone else. There's going to be overlap or redundancies.

RMOJ's schtick is becoming tiresome. And this suggestion is terrible. smh...

@Wisdom...I don't think my comment you are quoting has been "explained." Also...
- We risk losing 3 or 4 townies regardless of which group we lynch.
- My lynch scenario did not include Koki.
- My scenario was based on the hypothetical situation where based on Koki's result...G2 was the preferred lynch and you were unable to move yourself. With zMuff's claim later on this changes things.
- You don't call yourself locktown. Or Koki ftm... I believe you are town. Koki might be town. But neither of you is "locktown" imo.

@Wisdom...if you think there is such a high likelihood of riku or Pine being scum then the optimal play is to get them both in the lynch group. Winding up with 2 (or 3?) scum lynched D1 would be lights out for scum.

@Wisdom...I'm not scum. What about my play seems off?

@Eddie...swap Cakez with Koki and lynch which group? 3? So you think Koki is lying and you tr Cakez?

@DV...this is stupid. Then you ensure you lose Wisdom or Koki...or both. And pants on head agreement by zMuff in #876.

Caught up.

My current reads from town to scum are:

BuJaber, Wisdom, DV.......................Eddie, Pine, zMuff.......NSG (needs to do more), RMOJ..... SirCakez, dramonic, riku.

p.edit...and I've been trying to post this for a few hours and in the meantime the game has grown 5 more pages that I have not read yet. So not entirely caught up.

In post 1053, havingfitz wrote:I think the best solution would be to POE the most likely scum from Koki's result in G2 and put them in G3 for the lynch. zMuff swaps with riku (or Pine) and Wisdom swaps Pine (or Riku) and whoever his strongest remaining TR in G3 is. This ends up with all three pr claims in G2 plus BuJaber and Wisdom's G3 townread. And G3 is left with Pine, Riku, and 2 of (RMOJ/Dram/SirCakez). And depending on the outcome we might be able to confirm Koki's claim.

cool, fitz gets it

In post 1001, Wisdom wrote:Bu and whoever else scumreads dram: No matter how stupid I think he's being here with sticking to the probabilities and such I think he is being genuine here. Cakez is waffly and I think has decent chances of being scum. Realmen agreeing with me makes me think he could be scum buddying me. muffin is going to use his swap. So I think dram's the best choice here.

Dram and muffin kept saying they wanted to lynch group 2 as is to "guarantee 1 scum dead". When I suggested seaps that guarantee 1 scum dead plus a possible 2nd or 3rd they ignored it.
They're not being genuine. They're trying to nuke this game by appealing to emotion to get townread or frustrating the motivation to play out of the players. Exhausted / emotional town make bad decisions.

In post 1035, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:

In post 1032, northsidegal wrote:Wis before you swap I'd recheck the bujaber townread. That'd be how this turns disastrous.

its ok i really think bujaber is town here

he's always more of an asshole when town

Do you know me? Who are you?



@fitz - I think you read the old version of my proposal(s). I'd like to hear your thoughts on the recent ones.
Though to me I can compromise on anything else as long as:
1. Muffin and wisdom announce their swaps before they do them.
2. Muffin swaps first.
3. Pine and riku are both lynched.

And dramon lynch would be a bonus that I think would give us an additional scum lynch.

Anything else I am flexible about.

I don't think people are confused about the proposal, I think they just oppose not lynching everyone in the "guilty pool".

I believe everyone has spoken



VOTE: group 3

welp.
GG scumwins.

In post 1055, BuJaber wrote:Dram and muffin kept saying they wanted to lynch group 2 as is to "guarantee 1 scum dead". When I suggested seaps that guarantee 1 scum dead plus a possible 2nd or 3rd they ignored it.
They're not being genuine. They're trying to nuke this game by appealing to emotion to get townread or frustrating the motivation to play out of the players. Exhausted / emotional town make bad decisions.

You have never proposed such a thing, so go fuck yourself.

Read the fucking definition of the word guarantee.

In post 934, BuJaber wrote:So it would go like this:
Muffin swaps with wisdom.
Wisdom swaps muffin with dramon (or someone else from G3.. I won't go against majority I just really think it should be dramon)

Pine/riku contains 1 scum if koki is telling the truth. Koki dies if he's scum. 1 scum guaranteed.
Potential 2nd scum in piku/riku/dramon.

Muffin's agreement with this woild go along way into making him more credible with his push against group 2 all game. Also it involves him taking a leap of faith so we can take a leap of faith. Also since all of this should be agreed upon in thread lying about it later is a scumclaim in my book so a betrayal is not a total loss. And the worst case scenario 1 scum dies anyway which is what everybody who wanted group 2 lynched has been saying all game so they have no leg to stand on if they disagree.

I know it's better to lynch 4 people instead of 5 but there's no other way to save wisdom and still lynch both pine and riku.

And koki I'm sorry I wish there was a way you could live too but this might be the only way to get muffin to agree and it also guarantees the other people agreeing because they look like hypocrites if they refuse to lynch what would be 100% guaranteed scum regardless of how they read you.

TA-DA

Koki pine riku me and you in one group. GUARANTEED 1 scum if not 2 or 3.

Replace yourself out.

dram doesnt believe in reads
dont bother

If we're switching me for Muffin (my weakest SR in 3), I'll happily go down with that ship.

Congrats Wisdom on succesfully screwing over what could have been an easy scum lynch.

EDIT: Muffin swaps with Wisdom
Wisdom swaps me and muffin

Group 2: Koki, Dram, Riku, Pine, Bub
Group 3: Wisdom, RMOJ, Cakez, Muffin

If Wisdom was the scum and we lynch group 2 we failed

Go.
Fuck.
Yourself.

I don't give a flying fuck about your reads because they're based in make-believe.

VOTE COUNT 1.8

1	2	3
DeasVail	BuJaber	dramonic
Eddie Cane	Kokichi Oma	riku
havingfitz	Pine	SirCakez
northsidegal	REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE	zMuffinMan
	Wisdom

Group 1

(0):

Group 2

(0):

Group 3

(0):
Not voting: 13 (BuJaber, DeasVail, dramonic, Eddie Cane, havingfitz, Kokichi Oma, northsidegal, Pine, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, riku, SirCakez, Wisdom, zMuffinMan)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-20 23:00:00).

In post 1064, Pine wrote:If we're switching me for Muffin (my weakest SR in 3), I'll happily go down with that ship.

wtf this makes no sense
Why are you still campaigning for your death now that we're not lynching you

In post 1057, Wisdom wrote:I believe everyone has spoken

Swap Riku and REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

VOTE: group 3

I told you not to do this

VOTE: Group 2

This is by far the most likely to hit scum group, especially after that garbage play.

lol

eddie are you scum? ffs

I think group 3 is still a better hit, but ROJ pinged me a lot on the last page and I am not interested in entertaining that garbage swap.