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In post 1049, Irrelephant11 wrote:A lot of shoshin's reason-less votes have been toward the end of creating wagons imo
That's what's pro-town about her play and her voting

In post 98, Shoshin wrote:

In post 97, northsidegal wrote:VOTE: momrangal

That's a decent vote, but you should join me on Stun!

In post 108, Shoshin wrote:I'm not quite ready to say why you should vote Stun but you should. Irrelephant has the idea.

In post 810, Shoshin wrote:

In post 808, Momrangal wrote:Why?

Bernie? 133, 135, 141, 142, 173, and 174 are all pretty townie. As i said before, I especially liked the way that he joined me on Stun but then switched onto Invis becuase he couldn't keep up the farce of voting someone he didn't actually find scummy. The entirety of that sequence of posts felt very town. And following those early posts, there's been a very natural thought process and a lot of progression in his reads, as seen in 187, 266, 323, 375, 388.

In post 1055, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean I would love your thoughts on Keyser Soze, skitter30, mathdino, gamma emerald

In post 1024, Gustavo wrote:I’m not going to argue this game. I’m done with you. You aren’t willing to cooperate clearly. It’s going to just piss me off and I need to stay chill because the mod I’m sure didn’t even want me to play.

In post 1055, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean I would love your thoughts on Keyser Soze, skitter30, mathdino, gamma emerald

In post 1057, Momrangal wrote:

In post 1024, Gustavo wrote:I’m not going to argue this game. I’m done with you. You aren’t willing to cooperate clearly. It’s going to just piss me off and I need to stay chill because the mod I’m sure didn’t even want me to play.

For someone not willing to cooperate with others, she sure asking others for input quite a bit

In post 1058, Momrangal wrote:As far as Gustavo goes, I'm kinda confused. I absolutely see him believing in what he's saying but I don't think that should exclude him from scum. As far as my own play goes, I push logic and cases that I personally believe myself to be pushing if I was town, and because of that, there's a level of authenticity to pushes. I don't think it unreasonable to see others do it.

That in mind, pushing shoshin here is very high risk high reward because it would be clear, if he is scum here, that Shoshin is the town leader here and shutting her down would eliminate town cohesion here in this game, which should be one of scums goals

In post 1059, Irrelephant11 wrote:blows my mind that keyser and bernie both have more posts than me (I'm #5 in posts) and I have so little hold on their reads.

off the top of my head, Bernie thinks tw is scum
Keyser thought skitter was scum but isn't sure of that anymore. He also wasn't sure about invisibility

???

gonna go re-read Bernie

In post 986, Gustavo wrote:

In post 977, skitter30 wrote:are you like trying to dismantle the nauci wagon?

No. I was just looking for a starting point because I’m not actually going to read every post that’s been made so far. Day 1 is the most useless day anyway so I figured I’d cut right to the chase.

In post 995, Gustavo wrote:Btw if you look at shoshin’s town game. His first serious vote on invisibility includes reasons with his vote - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10200938

His 2nd serious vote was on mumble and it included reasons - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10212098

His 3rd serious vote was on me and it included reasons - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10220015

His 4th vote lacked reason but his 5th had some.

Please somebody verify what I’ve just posted and see if what sho says below is truthful.

In post 959, Shoshin wrote:As you know from Tropical, I don't always state my reasons for voting. So why ask this question?

In post 997, Gustavo wrote:

In post 977, skitter30 wrote:i'm reasonably confident that she's town, and is prob close to one of my strongest townreads.

I’ll ask you to reconsider given the information I’ve provided so far. I don’t think you in good faith can maintain that given I’ve proven she has been dishonest. She used her dishonesty to paint me in a negative light.

I feel I’ve provided multiple reasons why she is a good lynch today.

My play may be odd to you but if you are actually town you have to admit that it’s proven effective especially if she flips scum

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In post 1003, Nauci wrote:-skitter I am drunk dumb rn but can you explain what you mean by white knighting a tw lynch? Does that mean being against said lynch?

In post 1006, Gustavo wrote:But speaking of that, that’s not how you read not mafia. I’ve don’t think I’ve ever seen not mafia do pro town things as town. I often find myself wondering why not mafia even joins games because of how little they contribute. But anyway.

In post 1006, Gustavo wrote:As I said those are things I found suspicious, the fact she outright refused to answer a simple question. She lied saying she did that in the other game we played (I’ve just proven she lied) and I should somehow know better and then I think she accused me of misrepping her?

In post 1015, Gustavo wrote:I’m willing to straight up policy lynch you for that alone because no town should refuse to explain themselves when asked, but thankfully you’ve done other things that are suspicious so I’m comfortable tunneling you.

In post 915, Nauci wrote:@Irrelephant:

I think that as any alignment, you should veer off from these syntactical lines of thinking. Phrasing/wording/slang/idioms/vocabulary is usually mostly reflective of someone's culture/education/personality. If you know that "this works well" means "corroborates the theory," you should analyze the thought behind it OR explain in detail why phrasing X would mean thought process Y vs "I personally would have used Y instead of X here." It would either improve your scum hunting as town, or reduce your empty shading opportunities as scum.

The "I want to watch them fight" comment seems like the same sentiment as your "hopefully it at least makes other players' ability to read us easier" from 707. I've always thought 1v1s were good for sorting those involved, as a 3rd party observer or participant.

The "this is an attempt to scum read me later" comments ping me BADLY. Those aren't reactions I ever would have had to those comments (if they were about me instead) unless I was scum with a "oh god they're onto me" kick. One post literally says he didn't even think about scumrelephant as a possibility and it was a blind spot, so I can only see fear/misdirection motivating "this reads as excitement," and I really don't draw a line from "you just know Nauci well" to "attempt to scumread [irrelephant] if nauci flips town"?

I think that I have done my best to be extremely pro-town thus far, but "doesn't suck up to Irrelephant" shouldn't be a point in my favor. If I were scum I'd be as afraid of townrelephant as townmathdino, and try to hide because after we pocketed flicker/teacher you couldn't possibly trust anyone buttering you up.

In post 1068, Irrelephant11 wrote:Honestly it feels like half the playerlist is, which is annoying.

In post 884, Gamma Emerald wrote:I haven't voted once