mini normal 2042: labeled pictures meme mafia (game over)

[teacher]

I find towncasing myself gross

Why?

If you're town, why would defending that "reality" feel "gross"?

First, Ive said it before, e.g., here. It is just a reality that it feels gross.

Second, I will respond to anyone providing substantive reasons why I am scum. I just havent seen them. My best towncase on myself in the abstract is 989. As scum, I try not to be as outfront of lynches as I was on D2, and I try to blend more than I have in general. I certainly dont go after you when youre conf!town. (as for why its gross, it is because any statement -- like that one -- can be WIFOMed).

[teacher]

I also don’t go so topsyturvy casting shade at all slots as scum. I have a plan and planned reads. I stay relatively consistent on where people are. But that’s all I’m saying without tangible things to respond to. In part because I feel like it was Krazy actually trying to make a case (town!teacher doesn’t sheep like this) that was the most revealing about his alignment when compared against my actual meta.

[Shoshin]

If I told you to vote yourself, would you?

[teacher]

Yes, it would mean the game was already over so what’s the point.

[Irrelephant11]

I dont get how more people arent talking/analyzing Xwings claim. For me, it PLUS THE CRUMB clears him.

Unless I think you/Krazy are both scum (which I don't), xwing is confscum fmpov. fypov Krazy is confscum, so you don't care what he thinks about the claim (he either knows it's fake or he knows it's real, doesn't need to analyze it). Shoshin keeps a lot of her thoughts to herself.

Soooo who are you appealing to here, to believe xwing's claim? This reads like you don't think me & Krazy are actually scum, because if you did, you wouldn't need to appeal to us to townread xwing
I thought of this as I was falling asleep last night and am nearly ready to vote teacher now I think?
A couple things I need to check first:
-teacher's read on shoshin last game phase
-xwing/Krazy ISO to see if they look like a team (I already know that teacher/xwing do)
-teacher's play around the Sheep lynch, which at the time I thought was the towniest play he'd had up to that point

[Irrelephant11]

Oh but also I'll setup spec for the fun of it before placing a vote, too

[teacher]

Shoshin keeps a lot of her thoughts to herself.

Soooo who are you appealing to here, to believe xwing's claim?

I didn’t know this about Sho. I was appealing to her. I was also appealing to youto respond because I thought your response would be pretty incriminatory. As indeed it was. You can’t deny my point or argument, so you try to refocus attention away from the merits of the mechanical solve and onto the manner in which I presented it.


You’ve raised my thoughts on Sho D2 multiple times today without ever actually going back. Lazy scum.

[Irrelephant11]

lol this was thanksgiving week, you don't get to read me off *not doing something yet*
the whole thread went dead, not just me

Also scum!me leaves conftown!shoshin alive for lylo 0/100 times
"wifom"
no. shoshin wins lylo. She will be voting scum this game day, and she would catch me out if I were scum here 99.9/100 times. That .1/100 isn't worth wifom

Pretend for a minute you think I'm town and xwing is scum, convince me Krazy is scum (which you should be doing for xwing if you really feel the two of you are the uninformed townies anyway)

[Irrelephant11]

shoshin wins lylo.

well, maybe I should say "shoshin plays lylo well"
She doesn't always win, because other players exist lol

[teacher]

I’m town. So if you’re town, Krazy is scum. Convinced?

Seriously. You know me. You know i sheep as town. Hard. I even tried to sheep scum!you.

Krazy is supposed to be good at meta. But he says town me doesn’t sheep?! Scum!Krazy got caught in a naked AtE.

[Irrelephant11]

To be clear, your case on Krazy is that he (1) misrepresented your meta and (2) "got caught in a naked AtE" (not sure what this part is referring to)

Obviously he's confscum fypov but you'll need to case him better than that to get my serious consideration

[teacher]

I’m not exactly expecting to get your serious consideration.

If you were town, you would have to at least imagine the possibility that x or me is town and Krazy the alternate scum.

Indeed, the other day, you pretended to imagine Krazy-me. But now your “fypov” and “fmpov” make clear your mind is closed.

Good luck friend and always a pleasure.

[teacher]

But regardless of whether I convince you or not, answer these questions:

Do I sheep as town?

Is Krazy good at meta?

Did Krazy say I wouldn’t sheep as town?

Lynch all liars. That simple.

[Irrelephant11]

???
I know you know I can simultaneously scumread you and treat you as town who I want to talk to, to get closer to solving the game
In the world where you and Krazy are both scum, I don't have to figure that out this game day (though it would be nice). So that's still in the back of my mind, but it's the least likely scenario and I don't have any strong reasons to townread xwing besides maybe the claim and the fact I liked his early play (literally can't remember anything of note since then, which is probably more indicative of my poor memory than anything else, but might be indicative of scum playing UTR). Regardless, it's simply easier to ignore xwing and sort the scum between you/Krazy.

And anyway, if I treat xwing as town, you becomes scum, so there's no world where you need to advocate to me to townread xwing. It's a pointless endeavor and one that reads like you keep forgetting one of me/xwing has to be scum

That said, Shoshin is being pretty quiet about why she's reading Krazy as town and you as scum, and is probably intentionally doing that so she can read me and xwing better, so I am putting in the work now to sort you and Krazy. I could do that by re-reading in the ways I've said, or I could do that by interacting with you. I think the latter would be more fruitful right now, since you have to believe Krazy is scum since you're in the 1v1, and I can always go back and re-read later

You have not presented a strong case. Try again if you want to win.

[teacher]

convince me Krazy is scum (which you should be doing for xwing if you really feel the two of you are the uninformed townies anyway)

Like this. Again, ive already made my case on Krazy with comments and post links. Multiple times. Nobody has done the same against me otherwise I would have responded.

I will say that I think x should vote you. Here is why:

FMPOV, Krazy is conf! Scum because of the floating vote without quickhammer. But they don’t know my alignment.
So All the floating vote tells them is that Krazy-me are 50/50. But you are 66% since Sho is conf! Town. Thus you are their best mechanical odds.

Of course the same would be true for you towards x ;P

[teacher]

I’m in the airport alond with my kids flying back home Thanksgiving break, so no I’m not going to try to convince scum he’s scum. I’ve made the cases. I’ll be online tonight if you have questions about what I’ve posted. But if you’re just asking me to case Krazy a third time, read the first two.

[Irrelephant11]

But if you’re just asking me to case Krazy a third time, read the first two.

oh my bad, I skimmed so quickly to get to this page I literally missed it
I'll reread now I guess

Also yes I wish I had voted xwing earlier, based on shoshin's read, forcing everyone to sort me/xwing, instead of placing me in the position of sorting you two

[teacher]

and scum you leaves sho alive in lylo because of the doc risk, not for any wifom

[teacher]

But regardless of whether I convince you or not, answer these questions:

Do I sheep as town?

Is Krazy good at meta?

Did Krazy say I wouldn’t sheep as town?

Lynch all liars. That simple.

Also please do me the courtesy of answering..... it may not sell you but just yes or no will do.

[Irrelephant11]

Yes, sometimes you sheep as town
Krazy seems to make a living out of meta, though I honestly don't know if he's that good at it
Probably? Haven't re-read still

This is not enough for a lynch. (also lynching all liars would lead to lynching shoshin a lot more, which is a bad idea)
tbh I think I'm just putting off voting teacher because I want to feel like I have permission from shoshin before I do? Not sure what that says about me but I figured I'd explain why I haven't gone much deeper here yet

[teacher]

What has Krazy done that’s towny? I mean if we are 50/50 and you have said my D2 play seemed towny, you must have a reason to town them?

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin towns him, and she's right that this looks nothing like the only scumgame of his I found
I liked Keyser's earlygame towncase of Krazy (that he feels no pressure to perform)
His paranoia of Shoshin would be a reason for a teacher/xwing team that forgot how neap worked to leave shoshin alive

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